Fu Manchu - DPChallenge Forums

03/21/2006 12:15:50 AM · #1

I got my first DQ... yay... O_0

I opened the file in photoshop after a few changes saved it. I realized I needed an original, so I went back to "open" in the history and saved it just as it came out of the camera.

What frustrates me is I did everything I could to help validate the image. I sent in a shot taken 23 seconds (directly after) my submission. It was technicly identical and untouched.

The big question is... WHY!? What could I possibly have done to cheat or whatever it is they think I did to DQ me?! It was obviously shot for the challenge (my god I'd hope so). It took my entire afternoon (and about 20 dollars in supplies) before I went into work for the night. All that for a DQ. I gave an explanation and all the evidence I could to prove its validity, but there was no understanding or sympathy... langdon made it a joke!... I'm not laughing....

edit: typos

Message edited by author 2006-03-21 00:16:36.

stare_at_the_sun

Canon EOS-10D

03/21/2006 12:20:58 AM · #2

There's a little box that you check when you submit an image to a challenge that says "If requested, I will provide the unedited, original file from my digital camera within 48 hours."

So....if you can't, then you shouldn't submit to the challenge. It's impossible for the SC to not DQ you, because if they do that for just one person, then every person will think they should not be DQ'd.

I guess it's just the way the system works.... I hate being DQ'd just as much as you though, but there's not much you can do about it.

03/21/2006 12:21:11 AM · #3

I'm sorry your image was DQed.

As far as there being no understanding or sympathy, that's not true. I think everyone on Site Council felt (and feels) for you, and Langdon definitely did not make a joke out of it - he even put in a good word for you.

Site Council has made it a rule that if there is no valid original, then the image needs to be DQed. Nobody thinks you're cheating. Nobody is laughing about it. I hope you continue participating, you're a good photographer.

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4.0L USM

03/21/2006 12:25:35 AM · #4

Originally posted by ursula:

, and Langdon definitely did not make a joke out of it - he even put in a good word for you.

Not in the forums... in a pm. I'm sure it was in good fun, but when being notified that you're being DQ'd after working pretty hard on something... jokes don't go over well

Rikki

Canon EOS-20D

03/21/2006 12:26:32 AM · #5

hey man :) DQs are tough. I always keep going back to my first DQ so here goes.

mk helped me for two days when i tried to validate my image. no dice. the images was viewed and rotated in the card using my viewer - ACDSee. Apparently it got "manipulated". After a few tries, SC couldn't validate it. Lesson learned and I moved on ;)

Like yourself, my image was also taken for a challenge. It's obvious, however, SC has the strict policy to make sure that the original file is unaltered.

No one said you cheated. Validation is part of the game. Their response was that the original file could not be validated. Simple as that really ;)

Here's a tip. As soon as you upload images, create a new folder and use it as backup. Don't even open or touch the images. If you can save images in your carc, do taht too. It's a good thing to have multiple cards so that you can still shoot while the other one stays put in storage until validation is requested.

DQs are tough. I've had two of them. But it's all part of the protocol. Take it as a good learning experience and go with that. One day you'll look back at the "mistakes" you made and you'll be a better photographer for that ;)

Cheers,

Rikki

03/21/2006 12:27:39 AM · #6

Originally posted by Little King:

Originally posted by ursula:
, and Langdon definitely did not make a joke out of it - he even put in a good word for you.

Not in the forums... in a pm. I'm sure it was in good fun, but when being notified that you're being DQ'd after working pretty hard on something... jokes don't go over well

Langdon doesn't make jokes out of stuff like this - he's too nice a guy for that. Maybe he was just trying to cheer you up a bit.

03/21/2006 12:28:43 AM · #7

Originally posted by stare_at_the_sun:

There's a little box that you check when you submit an image to a challenge that says "If requested, I will provide the unedited, original file from my digital camera within 48 hours."

I did provide the unedited origional. It just happened to be saved in photoshop. I provided an image that was taken 23 seconds later, technicly identical, almost the same image.

I guess I'm just frustrated. I understand there are rules, but this is a place for fun and learning. What could I possibly have done?

03/21/2006 12:31:32 AM · #8

Originally posted by Rikki:

DQs are tough. I've had two of them. But it's all part of the protocol. Take it as a good learning experience and go with that. One day you'll look back at the "mistakes" you made and you'll be a better photographer for that ;)

Cheers,

Rikki

Thanks Rikki. I guess I'd be easier to swallow if I had placed 6th or something. It would have been sweet to have a fourth place finish on my second entry.

Carl Zeiss 35mm f2.4 Jena/Flektogon MC

03/21/2006 12:31:40 AM · #9

Originally posted by Little King:

Originally posted by stare_at_the_sun:
There's a little box that you check when you submit an image to a challenge that says "If requested, I will provide the unedited, original file from my digital camera within 48 hours."

I did provide the unedited origional. It just happened to be saved in photoshop. I provided an image that was taken 23 seconds later, technicly identical, almost the same image.

I guess I'm just frustrated. I understand there are rules, but this is a place for fun and learning. What could I possibly have done?

Without the original, there wasn't anything else you could have done. We have to stick to the rules, it just wouldn't be fair to everyone else to make an exception in one case.

You can keep the image in your folder, and you can continue participating. It's going to sound silly right now, but I think you'll get over it and you'll do OK here.

Uusilehto

Canon EOS-1D

03/21/2006 12:33:00 AM · #10

Originally posted by Little King:

I did provide the unedited origional. It just happened to be saved in photoshop. I provided an image that was taken 23 seconds later, technicly identical, almost the same image.

And how exactly is the SC supposed to know what happened BETWEEN opening and saving the file in photoshop?

If you can't abide the rules, then don't enter.

Marc923

03/21/2006 12:36:07 AM · #11

Question: So if you open the picture in photoshop, do nothing to it, and then close it. Is it now tagged and no longer an original? So it needs to be untouched, correct?

fotomann_forever

03/21/2006 12:36:35 AM · #12

Little King, I'm not w/o DQ myself.

Oh yeah, it's frustrating at first, but you do swallow it with a bit of time.

Rikki

Canon EOS-20D

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4.0L USM

03/21/2006 12:37:08 AM · #13

Originally posted by Little King:

Originally posted by Rikki:

DQs are tough. I've had two of them. But it's all part of the protocol. Take it as a good learning experience and go with that. One day you'll look back at the "mistakes" you made and you'll be a better photographer for that ;)

Cheers,

Rikki

Thanks Rikki. I guess I'd be easier to swallow if I had placed 6th or something. It would have been sweet to have a fourth place finish on my second entry.

It doesn't matter Ryan IMHO. A top 10 placement is great as well as a top 5 specially for your second challenge ;) A DQ is a DQ no matter how you look at it. That pink band on your profile doesn't look good. However, look at the bright side of things my friend, your second challenge and you're showing promise. That's great! You average is very high - an avergae that some of us try to aspire. Keep up the hard work and you'll hit pay dirt again. It wasn't a fluke that you got a ribbon.

Cheer up. And you're right, this is a learning site and with all learning tools, sometimes, we just make mistakes along the way. Brush it off your shoulders and look forward to the new challenges.

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4.0L USM

03/21/2006 12:37:24 AM · #14

Originally posted by lepidus:

Question: So if you open the picture in photoshop, do nothing to it, and then close it. Is it now tagged and no longer an original? So it needs to be untouched, correct?

Right.

Safest thing is to work on a copy, not the original.

Rikki

Canon EOS-20D

03/21/2006 12:37:58 AM · #15

Originally posted by lepidus:

Question: So if you open the picture in photoshop, do nothing to it, and then close it. Is it now tagged and no longer an original? So it needs to be untouched, correct?

Yes. PS attaches file definition on the image hence it won't be the original anymore.

Marc923

03/21/2006 12:40:50 AM · #16

I use the Rikki method, copy card to 2 folders, 1 for originals and 1 for working on.

fotomann_forever

03/21/2006 12:49:54 AM · #17

BTW, if you work with RAW, you are pretty much immuned to this. No chance of saving over your RAW data.

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

03/21/2006 01:01:34 AM · #18

Thanks for the support and listening to my frustrated rant. Rules for a reason, right?

Funny thing is, I was disapointed at 4th.... sooo close to a ribbon! Now I sit in humiliation.

It wasn't even that great of a shot... just had a shock factor

Art Roflmao

Canon EOS-6D Mark II

03/21/2006 01:12:26 AM · #19

Originally posted by Rikki:

Originally posted by lepidus:
Question: So if you open the picture in photoshop, do nothing to it, and then close it. Is it now tagged and no longer an original? So it needs to be untouched, correct?

Yes. PS attaches file definition on the image hence it won't be the original anymore.

not true. you have to SAVE in PS for it to make the photo "unoriginal" ;-)

03/21/2006 01:16:48 AM · #20

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

Originally posted by Rikki:

Originally posted by lepidus:
Question: So if you open the picture in photoshop, do nothing to it, and then close it. Is it now tagged and no longer an original? So it needs to be untouched, correct?

Yes. PS attaches file definition on the image hence it won't be the original anymore.

not true. you have to SAVE in PS for it to make the photo "unoriginal" ;-)

oh god.. that makes me realize that my low key entry was opened in photoshop. Is it possible to validate it before the challenge starts. I don't know if it, too, is tainted by the evils of photoshop

fotomann_forever

03/21/2006 01:21:16 AM · #21

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

not true. you have to SAVE in PS for it to make the photo "unoriginal" ;-)

I thought I did that when I clicked the shutter ... LOL

Originally posted by Little King:

oh god.. that makes me realize that my low key entry was opened in photoshop. Is it possible to validate it before the challenge starts. I don't know if it, too, is tainted by the evils of photoshop

right click on the file, click Properties, click on the summary tab and then the Advanced button. If you see Adobe Photoshop as the software or editor it's "fudged".