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08/01/2003 06:07:47 AM · #1
Thought I'd share some thoughts after a week of 5400 ownership.

The Nikon has some major downsides so far. In no particular order: the self-timer only works in macro mode, or with a lot of button-pushing, in manual focus. The trouble with that is that manual focus is a nightmare - in theory it hyper-sharpens the image in the LCD where the focus is good, but it misses and is thoroughly unreliable. It takes for ever to write files - supposed to have this wonderful 32M buffer, but it stops the camera functioning whilst it writes that to the CF card (this is SUCH a huge error on Nikon's part) - AND WORSE: if you press the shutter release whilst it's doing the write thing, is takes a shot immediately after it's finished writing the file - which can be up to two seconds later! I handed it to a friend at a party, and they got stuck in an endless loop of taking shots two or three seconds after they'd pressed the release: quite funny, but not exactly useful. Sometimes the Fuji would take while to write with slow cards, but I'm using a fast (12X) lexar - and the Fuji never did the shutter release thing.

After taking a shot in manual mode, the 5400 won't adjust the shutter or aperture times until I've switched it to a different mode and then back to manual.

The available shutter release speeds in manual mode are way too few: 8, 4, 2, 1, 1/2, 1/4, 1/8, 1/15, 1/30, 1/60, 1/125, 1/250, 1/500, 1/1000, 1/2000, 1/4000. Am I dreaming, or has the Fuji loads more - quite apart from going faster too?

Good things about the 5400: low ISO, down to 50, which is a remarkably noise-free image - though Neatimage sorts that out for the Fuji, and still helps with the Nikon.

Bulb time in manual mode, up to 10 minutes! No cable release though, so the remore control is needed to be effective.

And of course, the lens, and sensor. Colour rendition blows the Fuji out of the water - and 28mm equivalent wide-angle is just wonderful to have at your finger-tips. The 5.1MP resolution isn't a big enough deal - the Fuji's interpolation is good enough to use at around 80% of the 6MP image it outputs, and of course at 1:1 the 5MP image looks very digital.

At present, after a week with the Nikon and around 600 shots in various situations, I'm going back to the Fuji (I have the option of returning the 5400 upto 28 days). I'm going to give it another week first however, just in case, but my present feeling is that I was in control of the 602, and the 5400 is slightly in control of me.

Ed

edit: forgot to mention the flip-out-and-swivel screen on the 5400 - really useful, especially for low wide-angle architectural shots.

Message edited by author 2003-08-01 06:15:11.
08/01/2003 10:14:35 AM · #2
Fuji 602 Shutter times are

1/10.000s, 1/8.000s, 1/6.000s, 1/5.000s, 1/4.000s
1/3.000s, 1/2.500s, 1/2.000s, 1/1.600s, 1/1.300s
1/1.000s, 1/800s, 1/640s, 1/500s, 1/400s, 1/320s
1/250s, 1/200s, 1/160s, 1/125s, 1/100s, 1/80s
1/60s, 1/50s, 1/40s, 1/30s, 1/25s, 1/20s, 1/15s
1/12s, 1/10s, 1/8s, 1/6s, 1/5s, 1/4s, 1/3s
1/2,5s, 1/2s, 1/1,6s, 1/1,3s
1s, 1,3s, 1,6s, 2s, 2,5s, 3s, 4s, 5s, 6s, 8s
10s, 12s, 15s

Continental European notation for Manual Mode

And aperture range from F11 to F2.8 in 1/3th stop steps.
08/01/2003 10:22:50 AM · #3
5400 has Optical viewfinder same as my Oly 5050,that thing is terrible .outside on sunlight those cameras are very hard to use!
Return that thing and get one with TTL or EVF so you can see where the focus ,exposure and everything else stands in any situation!


Minolta 7,Fuji 602 or Nikon 5700

Message edited by author 2003-08-01 10:25:44.
08/01/2003 10:35:37 AM · #4
Fuji S7000 retail price $799 !

Fujifilm
08/01/2003 11:34:07 AM · #5
The 5700 has none of those issues as far as I can tell, except in burst mode when it's writing 10 or more images at a time.
I'm terribly happy with all the nikons I've had so far (775, 995, 5700)

Pedro
08/01/2003 04:04:11 PM · #6
Originally posted by pitsaman:

5400 has Optical viewfinder same as my Oly 5050,that thing is terrible .outside on sunlight those cameras are very hard to use!
Return that thing and get one with TTL or EVF so you can see where the focus ,exposure and everything else stands in any situation!


Minolta 7,Fuji 602 or Nikon 5700


Can see the rear panel LCD no problems in any light so far: and the 602 TTL is just as hopeless for focus-checking (as, I should imagine, any 180,000 pixel screen would be).

$799 is all very well, but it includes a wait until October, and that's far more likely to translate into £799 here - pretty much the same as the UK price will be tax inclusive, and there are all those state and sales taxes no one ever mentions state-side. If I were going to move up a grade I'd want the S7000 with the S5000 lens, anyway. Mind you, you could probably have lunch in the time it'll take to write a 12MP image.

No way am I paying the money asked for a 5700: almost half as much again as a 602, and for what real benefit?

Thanks for the shutter times Sander - was sure I'd had more options before.

Pedro - I'd not heard of any real probs with the 5700 - it's just that money thing.
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