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03/09/2006 03:59:07 PM · #1 |
This was brought up in another thread but I don't think followed thru on. I had forgotten about it until voting a little while ago on one of the challenges.
When a photo has been validated don't display the message "This photo has been validated.". Instead, when someone clicks on the "Recommend this photograph for disqualification" link display a message to the user if it's already been validated (or requested).
Or, better yet (perhaps) - If the image has been validated display the validation message in place of the "Recommend this..." link. The link is positioned far enough down the page not to be distracting, plus it's not bold and red.
I'm telling ya, that red text makes you stop. I was moving on thru just voting along and then you hit a validation message and it just jumps out at you. Even knowing why it's there it still makes you stop and think, ponder, look a little deeper. It's almost an advantage to have it there. ;^)
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03/09/2006 04:02:44 PM · #2 |
i agree because when i see it, i look extra hard at the photo and try to figure out why it was recommended. but i do think it sways votes sometimes.
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03/09/2006 04:06:31 PM · #3 |
Originally posted by queanbeez:
i agree because when i see it, i look extra hard at the photo and try to figure out why it was recommended. ... |
Exactly! Usually you get 2,3, maybe 4 seconds of screen time before a vote is placed. With that red text you may get a few more...
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03/09/2006 04:06:46 PM · #4 |
Not that I'm against the idea.
But, since voters do have a hard time "voting as it was done legally"(as brought up in the other thread), having the validation message there might help even out the bad votes the photo got.
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03/09/2006 04:11:38 PM · #5 |
It's the advantage part that I happen to like. :)
I know that for a validation on the photo to have been given, that to me means that the photo "deserves" a better look and I usually give it as well as get it. So I am not against it at all.
With my "ET" photo in the 80's challenge, my score was dropping emmensely because I believe others were voting it down thinking it didn't meet submission rules. That validation in red brought up my score quickly and fiercely, and I was quite happy with it.
On the other hand, there have been photos that when I see that validation on them, I stop and look and say "wow, someone must have wondered how this was done" or I may even wonder how it was done myself. That validation tells me it passed SC's approval, and with that, I was able to no longer wonder and even found the photo worthy of good score for the photographers skills.
So I am all for the validation remarks staying as is. I think it serves the purpose intended.
Rose
Message edited by author 2006-03-09 16:12:29. |
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03/09/2006 04:21:14 PM · #6 |
I'm sorry, I'm confused. At first it sounds like your against having the text there but then you sound like it is advantageous to have it there...can you maybe help me understand better?
in the mean time...sometimes the image didn't have to have anything wrong with it to be verified, and you may just be taking the extra time (that personally should be spent on an image) in vane looking for something that doesn't exist.
For instance my submission to the Fashion challenge  . In the process of typing the description I realized it was a basic challenge and I had done some cloning...stupid, stupid me. So I went back and re-did the image without the cloning and submitted it BUT forgot to change the text I had already put in the description area. The SC, being the on the ball people they are, requested verification and originals from me. Since voting hadn't started yet no one requested it, so I don't even know if it got one of the "has been validated" lines.
I think it is just a continuation of the "vote as if it is a legal image" rule and the text isn't really necessary but it stops others from requesting validation and bugging SC with request after request for the same image so it is a good thing and if it gets people to look closer at an image they may just zoom by then even better. I know there are sometimes a lot of images but 2-4 seconds per images? Is that really enough time to consider the image?
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03/09/2006 04:33:29 PM · #7 |
From what I understand, there are professionals that will only view a photo for less than 10 seconds before making a decision on it for contests. I forget where I read this, but if you take a local state Fair for instance, where there are something like 2000 entries, you can be sure that if it gets 10 seconds you are doing well.
In any case, I have NO idea why your photo was asked for validation before voting even went in. Was council looking at photos pre challenge voting? And if so, why? LOL....Maybe that is a question for council.
For me, I do think it is advantageous all the way around. It tells me, the voter, not knowing anything about previous comments unchanged on a photo however, that the photo was worthy of an extra look by "someone", so why not me as well? I like that idea when voting, and I like the idea on my own images as well. It seems to give "pause" and pause is good for those that would normally just click, click, and click from one image to another.
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03/09/2006 04:44:11 PM · #8 |
Not sure exactly what sabphoto is referring to. There was no discussion on his photo until after the challenge voting started.
Sorry, no SC conspiracy on this one.
Just for the record, even with our SC super powers, we can't see the entries pre-challenge voting, either. |
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03/09/2006 04:47:54 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by karmat:
Not sure exactly what sabphoto is referring to. There was no discussion on his photo until after the challenge voting started.
Sorry, no SC conspiracy on this one.
Just for the record, even with our SC super powers, we can't see the entries pre-challenge voting, either. |
Thanks for clearing that up. That was a bit confusing to me :) After voting? Sure, it happens. I believe it happened to me once as well. But prechallenge? Kind of odd.
Rose |
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03/09/2006 04:53:13 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
This was brought up in another thread but I don't think followed thru on. I had forgotten about it until voting a little while ago on one of the challenges.
When a photo has been validated don't display the message "This photo has been validated.". Instead, when someone clicks on the "Recommend this photograph for disqualification" link display a message to the user if it's already been validated (or requested).
Or, better yet (perhaps) - If the image has been validated display the validation message in place of the "Recommend this..." link. The link is positioned far enough down the page not to be distracting, plus it's not bold and red.
I'm telling ya, that red text makes you stop. I was moving on thru just voting along and then you hit a validation message and it just jumps out at you. Even knowing why it's there it still makes you stop and think, ponder, look a little deeper. It's almost an advantage to have it there. ;^) |
I think this is a very good suggestion. Having the link changed to "Validated" instead of "Recommend..." is probably the best of the two options, but I suspect the harder of the two to implement. I do find the red text distracting. |
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03/09/2006 04:58:51 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by Rose8699:
Originally posted by karmat:
Not sure exactly what sabphoto is referring to. There was no discussion on his photo until after the challenge voting started.
Sorry, no SC conspiracy on this one.
Just for the record, even with our SC super powers, we can't see the entries pre-challenge voting, either. |
After voting? Sure, it happens. I believe it happened to me once as well. But prechallenge? Kind of odd.
Rose |
Probably cause I just woke up from a nap, but I don't understand what you are referring to with "After voting?" I meant after voting had started (and was still going on). If that is what you were referring to. |
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03/09/2006 06:36:11 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
This was brought up in another thread but I don't think followed thru on. I had forgotten about it until voting a little while ago on one of the challenges.
When a photo has been validated don't display the message "This photo has been validated.". Instead, when someone clicks on the "Recommend this photograph for disqualification" link display a message to the user if it's already been validated (or requested).
Or, better yet (perhaps) - If the image has been validated display the validation message in place of the "Recommend this..." link. The link is positioned far enough down the page not to be distracting, plus it's not bold and red.
I'm telling ya, that red text makes you stop. I was moving on thru just voting along and then you hit a validation message and it just jumps out at you. Even knowing why it's there it still makes you stop and think, ponder, look a little deeper. It's almost an advantage to have it there. ;^) |
I think this is a very good suggestion. Having the link changed to "Validated" instead of "Recommend..." is probably the best of the two options, but I suspect the harder of the two to implement. I do find the red text distracting. |
Thanks. I stepped away from the computer for a couple of hours (trying to get in a Literary challenge shot), come back, and this thread got a little busy. I like the second suggestion better myself also. ;^)
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03/10/2006 12:45:09 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by karmat:
Originally posted by Rose8699:
Originally posted by karmat:
Not sure exactly what sabphoto is referring to. There was no discussion on his photo until after the challenge voting started.
Sorry, no SC conspiracy on this one.
Just for the record, even with our SC super powers, we can't see the entries pre-challenge voting, either. |
After voting? Sure, it happens. I believe it happened to me once as well. But prechallenge? Kind of odd.
Rose |
Probably cause I just woke up from a nap, but I don't understand what you are referring to with "After voting?" I meant after voting had started (and was still going on). If that is what you were referring to. |
Yes. |
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03/10/2006 01:05:27 AM · #14 |
DEFINITELY NOT
There are a LOT of photos that need it. I've seen photos of mine and others get knocked for being photoshopped that were not. There scores get hit. And that "Validated" is sometimes what makes the difference.
Sure, the directions say vote as if the photo is valid. But a lot of people don't because they vote on their perception.
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03/10/2006 07:03:04 AM · #15 |
I would recommend that the pages for ALL images appear identical, always, to keep the voting balanced. THEN, if the photographer clicks "request", a window should pop up to say "This photo has already been validated". That way, my voting isn't biased either way because of that red text.
If the red text is helping some photos, that doesn't seem fair to me.
Just my 2cents.
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03/10/2006 07:19:30 AM · #16 |
This is a classic Catch-22.
Sure, the rules say you should vote an image as if it were legal. But we all know that MANY voters do not do this. They see something that looks questionable to them, and they downgrade it. It can kill your score.
As I understand it, not all images on which validation is requested receive the "red stamp of approval", even if they ARE validated. As I understand it, the message only appears under images that have received multiple validation requests. If this is in fact true, then there are two reasons for the message: one is so people stop asking and SC has less work, and the other is so people will KNOW that the image is in fact legal, and this can be ciritical in the interests of fairness. When an image only garners a single validation request, I think it can be presumed that most people aren't questioning it, but when it gets a lot of them then that's just the tip of the iceberg, so to speak.
So, there you have it; the proposal that the validation stamp only show up of you click the "request validation" button works well for SC's purposes (cuts down extraneous requests) but does nothing to "help" the image itself, nothign to protect it from those who think it's "fishy" and downgrade it on basic principles.
On the other hand, there's something to be said for the argument that having that big, red stamp there is an actual advantage, something to be coveted.
My own, personal feeling is that if an image receives a lot of validation requests it is probably duffering at the hands of the 'silent downgraders" and it deserves a chance to recoup its losses, so I'm happy with the system as it is.
R.
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03/10/2006 07:35:32 AM · #17 |
Originally posted by karmat:
Not sure exactly what sabphoto is referring to. There was no discussion on his photo until after the challenge voting started.
Sorry, no SC conspiracy on this one.
Just for the record, even with our SC super powers, we can't see the entries pre-challenge voting, either. |
I'm sorry I could have sworn that the request had happened before voting had started, sounds like it didn't, my bad...again sorry. I would like to point out that the validation need was completly due to my error in my description details and am thankful for someone catching that and following up on it, that what helps keep everyone honest.
Message edited by author 2006-03-10 07:37:12.
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03/20/2006 05:45:46 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Or, better yet (perhaps) - If the image has been validated display the validation message in place of the "Recommend this..." link. The link is positioned far enough down the page not to be distracting, plus it's not bold and red. |
Thanks Langdon! ;^)
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03/20/2006 05:50:51 PM · #19 |
my 'literary adventure' entry was validated - but i failed to see where it was mentioned on the voting page. just saw it under my front page thumb that it had been validated. i have a feeling i would have scored a bit higher had the red text been listed as it has in the past.
am i missing something?
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03/20/2006 06:13:12 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by soup:
... am i missing something? |
The text is now a subdued blue. I almost didn't notice. I was voting on a current challenge and after I hit the number and moved to the next image it hit me...there was a validation message on that last image, I thought anyway. Went back and looked, sure enough.
So now you're not getting stopped in your tracks by the bold red text as you vote. Which, IMO, is the correct way to have it.
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03/21/2006 08:16:40 AM · #21 |
man - i looked a number of times thinking it might not appear immediately. i must be subdued blue blind...
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03/22/2006 02:11:31 AM · #22 |
I'm for it...if I have a photo that I worked my but off to technically do and it looks like it might not be within the rules I want those red letters there to state "Lay OFF, this photo is fine...just vote normally" I think it serves a purpose and is very good.
Clint
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03/22/2006 02:20:56 AM · #23 |
Originally posted by TomFoolery:
I'm for it...if I have a photo that I worked my but off to technically do and it looks like it might not be within the rules I want those red letters there to state "Lay OFF, this photo is fine...just vote normally" I think it serves a purpose and is very good.
Clint |
Like this?
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03/22/2006 02:23:25 AM · #24 |
Yesâ€Â¦I’m sure that would boost my score tremendously
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07/05/2006 12:23:33 AM · #25 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
When a photo has been validated don't display the message "This photo has been validated.". Instead, when someone clicks on the "Recommend this photograph for disqualification" link display a message to the user if it's already been validated (or requested).
Or, better yet (perhaps) - If the image has been validated display the validation message in place of the "Recommend this..." link. The link is positioned far enough down the page not to be distracting, plus it's not bold and red. |
This was my recent challenge entry that has been "suspicious" of being edited outside the Basic Editing rules. While the photo was validated earlier, there are still comments asking if the photo was done within the boundary of Basic Editing. I think maybe we should put back the red fonts for photos that had been validated? I just think maybe the "this photo has been validated" remark isn't visible enough. |
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