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03/04/2006 11:01:28 PM · #1 |
Anybody used both of these to comment on the pro's - con's against each other?
I downloaded the demos from both and cannot get NN to work as nicely as NI from a 10 minute play (it comes out more grainy) but that is likely just the nut behind the wheel :-)
My initial thoughts are that the interface for NN is better but NI seemed to work for me better out of the box (auto profiles). Both seem to have camera specific profiles which might be useful.
I will mostly use it for large TIFF but like the RAW option (both support this but is one better than the other). |
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03/05/2006 12:04:40 AM · #2 |
Do a Google search with these keywords - "noise ninja" "Neat Image" - together and you will find plenty of information. The general consensus appears to be they are neck and neck. Seems like DPCers use Neat Image more than Noise Ninja but I could be wrong.
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03/06/2006 09:08:44 AM · #3 |
I have both but if you haven't purcheased one try the free version of Picture Cooler...weird name but it works and is fast at:
//www.denoiser.shorturl.com/
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03/06/2006 09:29:49 AM · #4 |
Never tried Noise Ninja, but use NeatImage all the time as I'm usually shooting at ISO1600. I just tried the Noise Ninja demo, and wow it seems to do a much better job, although it is hard to tell with that grid everywhere in the demo version. I might just buy it though...
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03/06/2006 10:25:19 AM · #5 |
I don't think one is drastically better then the other. I'd put both of them at the top of the game currently. I personally use Neat Image, but that's mainly because I got it for free by producing a profile for a camera they didn't have.
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03/06/2006 01:23:10 PM · #6 |
Thanks...
- Well you know, Google can find stuff about anything really, I was looking for somebody here with recent experience :-)
- Cool, I will have a look at Picture Cooler (cannot get to their website from here, so later).
- I also found Noiseware, so will have a look at it.
- Since Bob likes NN, I need to have another look (and figure out why I cound not drive it) cause I know he has seen some low-light from those cool concert shots he does :-). I was running as a stand-alone, so might try with the plug-in (the stand-alone appears to not do anything as far as grids or watermarks to the final image).
The specific version of each is easy since I want to keep with the 32Bit and also use as a plug-in for PS e.t.c.; Just to pick the package....
Message edited by author 2006-03-06 13:24:15. |
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03/06/2006 01:25:09 PM · #7 |
I think they both work good.
I couldn't decide so i looked up reviews on the net, and found one review that compared something like 5 different software programs. Neat image came out on top, so I ended up buying the pro copy of that, so that I can have it as an action in photoshop. I don't regret it a bit.
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03/06/2006 03:23:14 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by robs:
Thanks...
- Well you know, Google can find stuff about anything really, I was looking for somebody here with recent experience :-)
- Cool, I will have a look at Picture Cooler (cannot get to their website from here, so later).
- I also found Noiseware, so will have a look at it.
- Since Bob likes NN, I need to have another look (and figure out why I cound not drive it) cause I know he has seen some low-light from those cool concert shots he does :-). I was running as a stand-alone, so might try with the plug-in (the stand-alone appears to not do anything as far as grids or watermarks to the final image).
The specific version of each is easy since I want to keep with the 32Bit and also use as a plug-in for PS e.t.c.; Just to pick the package.... |
I was using the standalone NN... how come you don't get a grid when you save the image? I found it WAY easier to use than NeatImage... it found flat areas to sample much more intelligently than NeatImage, and seemed to sample more than one area which NI doesn't do. It's NN's ability to find good areas to sample with one button press which might win me over to using that software instead.
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03/06/2006 03:33:15 PM · #9 |
sooo
noise ninja
or neat image?
its tornn |
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03/06/2006 03:48:30 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:
Originally posted by robs:
Thanks...
- Well you know, Google can find stuff about anything really, I was looking for somebody here with recent experience :-)
- Cool, I will have a look at Picture Cooler (cannot get to their website from here, so later).
- I also found Noiseware, so will have a look at it.
- Since Bob likes NN, I need to have another look (and figure out why I cound not drive it) cause I know he has seen some low-light from those cool concert shots he does :-). I was running as a stand-alone, so might try with the plug-in (the stand-alone appears to not do anything as far as grids or watermarks to the final image).
The specific version of each is easy since I want to keep with the 32Bit and also use as a plug-in for PS e.t.c.; Just to pick the package.... |
I was using the standalone NN... how come you don't get a grid when you save the image? I found it WAY easier to use than NeatImage... it found flat areas to sample much more intelligently than NeatImage, and seemed to sample more than one area which NI doesn't do. It's NN's ability to find good areas to sample with one button press which might win me over to using that software instead. |
Okay - I must fell off the planet for a bit. I do get the grid :-) I must have been looking at the preview not the saved file.
That's a good point about the multi vs single selection. After playing with a couple of images, NN appears to find a selection automatically more than NI can (NI only shows me a single point, so maybe you are right). Leaning to NN now.... |
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03/06/2006 04:04:27 PM · #11 |
Might find something here
Photo-Freeware.net
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03/10/2006 04:16:53 PM · #12 |
I have NN, haven't tried Neat Image. Anybody recommend this over Noise Ninja?
It's all very confusing! Which is better? |
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03/11/2006 08:15:19 AM · #13 |
PictureCooler looks mighty interesting and the price-tag seems more my style. I'll check it out this weekend.
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03/31/2006 02:47:50 PM · #14 |
| Is there a big improvement using these programs versus using the "dust and scratches" filter in Photoshop? I've not been having great results with the filter but it could be because I don't actually understand what radius and threshold mean. |
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03/31/2006 03:12:31 PM · #15 |
Not being able to run either program, and not finding any real information on previous web searches, does anybody have any idea what these programs actually do (beyond the obvious "they reduce noise")?
The before/after shots I've seen make it look like some form of selective smoothing, but I don't know anything beyond that. I'm wondering if it works magic on specific channels, and what, and if anybody knows. |
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06/12/2007 08:46:32 PM · #16 |
Just switched to noise ninja after years of neat image, can't believe how much better it is. It simply gives better noise reduction while preserving more detail. It actually seems to work on the different causes of noise, rather than a blanket approach. I would also not forget the tools that photoshop already offers for noise reduction, as if chroma noise is where the problem lays, you might find appropriate solutions with no bluring already in photoshop.
cheers, b |
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06/12/2007 09:00:16 PM · #17 |
How long before Adobe buys up all the noise reduction and makes Photoshop $1000+?
Message edited by author 2007-06-12 21:00:23. |
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06/12/2007 09:02:28 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by Jason_Cross:
How long before Adobe buys up all the noise reduction and makes Photoshop $1000+? |
Cant buy everyone out, but chances are theyll either buy one or develop their own. I can tell you this I can write code but I havent ever wrote anythign that did anything original. But i wouldnt ever sell to Adobe. You say yes you would... no i say if their interested im sure someone else will buy for a bit less lol.
Freaking taking over the world aint they. |
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06/12/2007 09:04:25 PM · #19 |
| Sort of annoying. I wish an alternative(good one) would come along so that there was some competition in the market place. I am surprised that Mr. Gates doesn't want a piece of the action. All I want is a price reduction. |
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06/12/2007 09:05:27 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by Jason_Cross:
Sort of annoying. I wish an alternative(good one) would come along so that there was some competition in the market place. I am surprised that Mr. Gates doesn't want a piece of the action. All I want is a price reduction. |
Mr Gates isnt apart of the action anymore. Hes a sideliner who pockets alot of money. You know how those skilless athletes retire to sports broadcasting. |
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06/12/2007 09:46:47 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by Jason_Cross:
Sort of annoying. I wish an alternative(good one) would come along so that there was some competition in the market place. I am surprised that Mr. Gates doesn't want a piece of the action. All I want is a price reduction. |
Gates focusing his expensive time on noise-reducing apps? i think he has much better way to make money than doing this, heh |
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06/12/2007 10:14:28 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by crayon:
Originally posted by Jason_Cross:
Sort of annoying. I wish an alternative(good one) would come along so that there was some competition in the market place. I am surprised that Mr. Gates doesn't want a piece of the action. All I want is a price reduction. |
Gates focusing his expensive time on noise-reducing apps? i think he has much better way to make money than doing this, heh |
Probably right, Halo 3 is coming out... |
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06/12/2007 10:18:16 PM · #23 |
The average 10 year old pays more attention to Halo, 2, 3 ectera in a day then Gates does in a month. I would doubt he contributes to any more then 1% of a particular project beyond initial planning, marketing and deployment.
Thats why he pays people to run departments!
Message edited by author 2007-06-12 22:19:11. |
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06/12/2007 10:23:34 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by Jason_Cross:
Probably right, Halo 3 is coming out... |
yup, gonna be BIG, i reckon. considering past records of the initial 2 releases of the series. |
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06/12/2007 10:28:40 PM · #25 |
I own plug-in versions of both of these. And honestly I am not sure if its me or what. But I struggle with noise ninja, my photos look crappy when I use it. When I use Neat IMage I loose a bit of detail unless I use filter and sharpen. Maybe I just need to learn how to use noise ninja as 90% of the people I talk to that use it love it, it just doesnt work well for me.
MattO
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