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02/23/2006 02:43:25 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by mattmac:
What is really at issue here? The comment itself, or the photographer receiving (and then responding) to the comment?
If it's the comment - Any comment that is not about the picture is completely unacceptable. Beyond that, people say (and type) the darndest things. Some people choose to respond with thoughtful and helpful critiques, others typs, "duh." and leave it at that. Both are helpful (in their own way). You have to be able to deal with both the kind and negative comments. If a comment is threatening ("I'll hunt you down and scorch your house") then methinks that should be reported.
If it's the Photog receiving - You submitted your image to be judged. It was a conscious choice to expose yourself to a large community of disparate opinions/views/cultures. You should be able to accept both positive and negative comments without reaction. You should also be mature enough to fight the desire to "fire back" a response to someone who didn't like your image. If you can't handle that, maybe you shouldn't be entering challenges. |
Well said!!
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02/23/2006 02:44:38 PM · #27 |
| I think somebody mentioned locking the comment so that it's not editable after it has been made. Perhaps this could be an option for those receiving the comments? That way if you make a spelling error, which I do all the time you can still edit your comment just so long as you weren't somebody leaving that nasty comment. |
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02/23/2006 03:01:32 PM · #28 |
Look: there is a big cry for comments. I try to do my best because it is rather unteam like to allow so many images to go commentless.
It appears we all want them and if this is so why would you want to limit or censor the commentator?
Yes, there are some crude individuals but their number is insignificant. Yes, their comments are more like stone throwing but you need not engage them in their uncooth game. Just read it and smile because most of your comments are not as stupid. We do allow commentators to express themselves to the best of their abilities and we hope that they will keep the spirit of civility, but then not all subscribe to playing the game fair. They are folks that simply like to insult and are hoping that someone would call them on it. I will not give them that satisfaction nor should you.
No changes need be made and allow the comments to roll in. Simply ignore the few rude ones. They are worth the same weight as the commentator. You also have those souls that are very discontent with their own life and their affairs and they project that feeling. Not worth lingering over these few cases.
There are some comments which simply misunderstand the photographers intention and some even suggest the impossible. We all know this but then we do not expect all commentators to be that astute.
My suggestion is not to hamper the comment influx but rather to encourage it and dismiss the dumb ones along with the rude. |
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02/23/2006 03:14:40 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by thomaspeople:
Sorry, but although I don't get as many comments as some people, I value the comment whether it is kind or mean. If I get a harsh review, I like to go immediately to that person's profile to see if I should valus their opinion or figure they are no better than I am. And if I get a nice review, I want to know in what context to put the praise. I am less likely to do ths after the challenge is over as it is more poignant when it first pops up (one of the reasons I ponied up for that update button). I know that I am mediocre at best right now and try to remind myself of that when I comment. I want others to look at my profile and use the "grain of salt" rule with me. |
I got called out for a comment I left recently. Maybe it was justified, maybe the guys shot was terrible and he couldn’t accept that.
In general, I would think that any negative reaction I get to my comment, makes me not want to comment, or makes me retaliate with more reasons why the photo was bad. And Discouraging commenting, even harshly critical commenting , is bad.
Do we really need a website full of “nice shot, great angle, your pictures move me..” or are we adults that can take it?
But seriously, you really look at the persons portfolio to see if the “comment has value?”
A lot of poets can’t read their own poems well. Many athletes are inarticulate despite excellent results on the field. The eye for photographic art, and the truly helpful, encouraging, or insightful comment may not always come from the ribbon winning celebrity photographer, no matter how much you love and respect their work. |
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02/23/2006 03:14:59 PM · #30 |
I have received 1500+ comments on this site and I have never been really troubled with any comment. There might have been some rude or immature comments once in a while but I don't remember any, so they didn't mean much to me or were discarded.
My point is the number is insignificant and we don't really need any change. |
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02/23/2006 03:16:48 PM · #31 |
Kind of off-topic and I know it's been mentioned before, but it would be great to be able to mark a comment as not help-ful or give it a rating, so that we know a comment has been read, as almost half of my comments so far have not been ticked helpful, but I don't know if I was unhelpful or if they were just not acknowleged.
I don't mean to single out this guy, but it's a good example, so sorry spreadcom
//www.dpchallenge.com/image.php?IMAGE_ID=292819
The only comments marked helpful are the ones that say 'nice picture' or 'Gave a 10' but the ones that say things like 'interesting idea, but i get more a feeling of motion blur than motion panning' don't get a tick.
If we could give a rating out of 5, you can then really see whether the comment was helpful.
Message edited by author 2006-02-23 15:26:33. |
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02/23/2006 03:18:07 PM · #32 |
Oh yeah, the funniest thing is, when I left a comment, again, questionable at best, but the guy pm's me and says if you don't change it I won't mark it helpful.
I was shaking in my constuctively criticizing boots! |
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02/23/2006 03:20:15 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by saracat:
Originally posted by mattmac:
What is really at issue here? The comment itself, or the photographer receiving (and then responding) to the comment?
If it's the comment - Any comment that is not about the picture is completely unacceptable. Beyond that, people say (and type) the darndest things. Some people choose to respond with thoughtful and helpful critiques, others typs, "duh." and leave it at that. Both are helpful (in their own way). You have to be able to deal with both the kind and negative comments. If a comment is threatening ("I'll hunt you down and scorch your house") then methinks that should be reported.
If it's the Photog receiving - You submitted your image to be judged. It was a conscious choice to expose yourself to a large community of disparate opinions/views/cultures. You should be able to accept both positive and negative comments without reaction. You should also be mature enough to fight the desire to "fire back" a response to someone who didn't like your image. If you can't handle that, maybe you shouldn't be entering challenges. |
Well said!! |
i agree. i know i haven't liked everything that has been said about my pics but thats going to happen and i certainly dont get upset about it. as an amature, 99% of the comments have been extremely helpful and even the ones i dont initially like have something i can learn from them. |
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02/23/2006 03:29:09 PM · #34 |
Am I really the only one who thinks this whole problem would be improved drastically if people could choose if they do or do not want comments (see my previous post in here) ?????
Or am I just invisible? :-(
Please, SC / D/L - do you see me? Is there any hope of such a choice being implemented one day? |
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02/23/2006 03:29:38 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by mattmac:
What is really at issue here? The comment itself, or the photographer receiving (and then responding) to the comment?.......... |
very well said I agree also,
I have just about 200 comments and just about all were nice and helpful, some of the pics were not my best but I really did not care about some of the photos I put up anyway, and I took the suggestions as being nice or helpful. I am not know pro or anything and I hope DPC does not change anything on how people leave comments.
Comment are helpful, what are people going to do when people off the site here see one of your photos and dont like and you hear about it or what they said.
Message edited by author 2006-02-23 15:30:20.
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02/23/2006 03:30:59 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by Beetle:
Am I really the only one who thinks this whole problem would be improved drastically if people could choose if they do or do not want comments (see my previous post in here) ?????
Or am I just invisible? :-(
Please, SC / D/L - do you see me? Is there any hope of such a choice being implemented one day? |
It would appear you were invisible cause I missed your post :D, but it certainly sounds like a good idea. |
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02/23/2006 03:33:42 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by Beetle:
Am I really the only one who thinks this whole problem would be improved drastically if people could choose if they do or do not want comments (see my previous post in here) ?????
Or am I just invisible? :-(
Please, SC / D/L - do you see me? Is there any hope of such a choice being implemented one day? |
I don't know about invisible, but it makes me wonder why you would submit a photo to a public contest if you don't want comments.
Personally, I just don't read them until after the challenge is over -- one does have to go out of one's way to read the comments -- by then, none of them bother me much. |
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02/23/2006 03:35:23 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by Beetle:
Am I really the only one who thinks this whole problem would be improved drastically if people could choose if they do or do not want comments (see my previous post in here) ?????
Or am I just invisible? :-(
Please, SC / D/L - do you see me? Is there any hope of such a choice being implemented one day? |
lol sorry you must have been invisible too me also, that also sounds like a good idea, just set it as a preference, than people who dont want negative comments wont get them at all.
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02/23/2006 03:39:22 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by yanko:
I think somebody mentioned locking the comment so that it's not editable after it has been made. Perhaps this could be an option for those receiving the comments? That way if you make a spelling error, which I do all the time you can still edit your comment just so long as you weren't somebody leaving that nasty comment. |
What if it were only locked after it were READ by the recipient? This would allow the commenter some brief period of time to change, but prevent the comment sniping.
And hey, Langdon is through with the Forum Preferences upgrade, so he probably doesn't have much to do! HA!
I would personally like to see the "editing" of comments disallowed. Just MHO.
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02/23/2006 03:39:23 PM · #40 |
I think that people shouldn't over react too much to low scores or harsh comments. You just need to put things in perspective. It's one challenge and the votes usually only reflect the opinions of 200-400 voters. In most cases you don't even know who the person is. The opinions of a group of strangers (not that I'm ragging on anybody here)shouldn't bother you so much. For example; during the last challenge I received a personal low. One of the comments in particular bothered me, but after the challenge when I saw who had made the comment (it was some ghost user that has nevered entered a challenge)I felt a lot better. In the end, everyone here is trying to get better. You should not be so obsessed over DPC that poor comments and low scores are recking your day (or week). In the end, if something doesn't work out the way you want it to you should just forget it and move on.
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02/23/2006 03:43:28 PM · #41 |
| Maybee people can stop feeding their egos, and worring about scores. Just be satisified with the image that you shot, and know that it was the best that you did. Releize that there are thousands of people on this site and thier is no way to please all them. Just a thought. |
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02/23/2006 03:47:26 PM · #42 |
I don't believe its about pleasing people. For me its about getting better as a photog. Any comments I appreciate even the one I got where all that was said was "Yawn" at first I was mad and then I looked at my image and you know what he was right it was "Yawn". Comments and commenting teach me somthing thats why I paid my 25 bucks to join this place.
Edit: Spelling
Message edited by author 2006-02-23 15:49:20. |
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02/23/2006 03:47:39 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
... but it makes me wonder why you would submit a photo to a public contest if you don't want comments. |
I, myself, welcome comments and can handle negative ones quite well. I agree with your reasoning, too, but it doesn't seem to work that way.
This is about all the people who keep complaining all the time. If you officially ask for comments by way of preference or ticking a box on the submission page, you are at the same time agreeing NOT to moan over something negative, simply because you don't like it.
I hate for us (those who do comment) to waste our time on people who don't want feedback, and to get attacked for the effort, as well! |
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02/23/2006 03:54:51 PM · #44 |
| I've never had a bad comment, but if its a really nasty comment or pm, report it and kick the person out of the challenge? |
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02/23/2006 04:13:00 PM · #45 |
To get back to the root of this thread, I don't think people will ever cease replying to comments via PM unless we enforce a rule (which I don't feel we should at this time).
At the same time, I think if you are a person who doesn't want PM replies over comments you've made, the solution is to check the "Hide My Name" option under preferences. This is an "opt-in" #2 (as defined in the first post).
Also I think offering a report post button on the challenge_stats page will allow us to curb problem comments from problem commenters.
Finally, I've been thinking we should probably the "Message edited by author" bit to comments made during voting if they are edited. Comments that are blanked out (attempted to be removed), will just be blank, so there will be a record of at least their existence. |
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02/23/2006 04:29:26 PM · #46 |
(sorry if it has been mentioned above I have not read the complete thread) -Another possible option would be a filter for challenge comments. Maybe a few keywords that would flag a comment so the SC could approve or edit the comment. Not letting anyone know other than the SC and Admins know what the keywords are. Kind of like the voting filter we have now.
Would this be possible with the scope of coding?
Message edited by frisca - typo. |
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02/23/2006 04:41:29 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by langdon:
Finally, I've been thinking we should probably the "Message edited by author" bit to comments made during voting if they are edited. Comments that are blanked out (attempted to be removed), will just be blank, so there will be a record of at least their existence. |
But what does that do? Lousy spellers such as myself often go back and edit posts. I agree with those that nothing should be done about this. It's rather silly complaining about things posted on the internet. It's the internet for pete's sake. |
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02/23/2006 04:51:05 PM · #48 |
Originally posted by blindjustice:
Originally posted by thomaspeople:
Sorry, but although I don't get as many comments as some people, I value the comment whether it is kind or mean. If I get a harsh review, I like to go immediately to that person's profile to see if I should valus their opinion or figure they are no better than I am. And if I get a nice review, I want to know in what context to put the praise. I am less likely to do ths after the challenge is over as it is more poignant when it first pops up (one of the reasons I ponied up for that update button). I know that I am mediocre at best right now and try to remind myself of that when I comment. I want others to look at my profile and use the "grain of salt" rule with me. |
I got called out for a comment I left recently. Maybe it was justified, maybe the guys shot was terrible and he couldn’t accept that.
In general, I would think that any negative reaction I get to my comment, makes me not want to comment, or makes me retaliate with more reasons why the photo was bad. And Discouraging commenting, even harshly critical commenting , is bad.
Do we really need a website full of “nice shot, great angle, your pictures move me..” or are we adults that can take it?
But seriously, you really look at the persons portfolio to see if the “comment has value?”
A lot of poets can’t read their own poems well. Many athletes are inarticulate despite excellent results on the field. The eye for photographic art, and the truly helpful, encouraging, or insightful comment may not always come from the ribbon winning celebrity photographer, no matter how much you love and respect their work. |
You are right, I spoke poorly there. All comments have value. Truth is I do look at the profile of anyone who comments, as I expect folks do when I comment. I am human enough to place more value on the comments from someone, say, in my Favorites rather than someone whose "scores" are as low as mine. This is, as you point out, wrong thinking. All criticism is good, regardless of the skill level of the person making it. I recognize that. On the other hand, if I receive technical advice from someone who does not appear to have any more ability than I have, I may consider it but I will give it less value than if it came from someone with more experience. This may be a poor way to go, but it happens.
I value all comments, whether they are kind or not and whether they are from an experienced photographer or a beginner like me. |
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02/23/2006 05:37:45 PM · #49 |
option 4: Man up and just accept the comments for what they are. I've never PM'd anyone over a comment -- If I get one I don't like, I'll usually mark it as helpful anyway because they took the time...now if it's something absurd and stupid, I just don't mark it as helpful.
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02/23/2006 05:40:14 PM · #50 |
I think what the original poster was trying to convey (and I know, because it was me) is this:
We need to bring commenter’s back in by giving them protection against people who can't handle any criticism.
I've seen this comment so many times now :
"that is exactly why I don't leave comments anymore"
and they are always in threads where people are complaining about comments that they've received.
And these people are intimidating people into not giving any comments out.
I know we should all have thick skin and let it go over our heads, but not everyone is like that.
And I'm not just talking about the most recent farce, this has been going on for a long time.
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