Interesting article re: photographer's rights!

02/21/2006 09:43:13 AM · #26

Originally posted by legalbeagle:

Originally posted by pawdrix:
I could crank out 20 to 30 of those a day....blindfolded!

With all due respect.

Steve - 20-30k per image is small time for someone who I am sure could knock out a few of these:

//www.tate.org.uk/servlet/ViewWork?workid=12146&tabview=image

//www.tate.org.uk/servlet/ViewWork?cgroupid=999999961&workid=12976

Don't sell yourself short. It worked for them!

I was thinking of getting into some paid photojournalist work for a change.

....maybe next Tuesday I'll make the career switch? LOL

It almost seems criminal what some of these images sell for...but I'm game to try.

Message edited by author 2006-02-21 09:44:34.

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02/21/2006 09:43:30 AM · #27

Originally posted by Strikeslip:

Has anyone found any similar articles, or any articles at all, about this sort of stuff in Canada?
:-/

Position is almost certainly the same: this article does not make any new points; it merely reaffirms that the existing position in NY is applicable to people with an aversion to being photographed.

The default in most common law jurisdictions is usually very similar.

cloudsme

Canon EOS R5

02/21/2006 09:50:32 AM · #28

I would think stock photography is more business than art(legally that is). This may be why the "art" clause doesn't apply to stock.

Prof_Fate

02/21/2006 09:53:26 AM · #29

Originally posted by Artyste:

Anyone spending $20 - 30,000 on this photo has something wrong in the head.

I want that something wrong in my head - if they can afford to spend that on a photo just imagine all the other nice things they must overspend on LOL

Is this then Art also?

Or just Jim? LOL

Message edited by author 2006-02-21 09:55:07.

LindaLee

Canon EOS-40D

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM

02/21/2006 09:58:29 AM · #30

Originally posted by ragamuffingirl:

Okay, what nobody has addressed is that the Hasidim like the Amish and Old Order Mennonites apparently have some religious prohibition against being photographed.

If the Amish ever had a religious prohibition against being photographed, it is, by and large, ignored in the general Amish population, especially where I come from and lived for many years, near a large Amish community. They want you to pay them before you take their picture, and they aren't shy about telling you either.

02/21/2006 11:07:10 AM · #31

Originally posted by pawdrix:

I was thinking of getting into some paid photojournalist work.

....maybe next Tuesday I'll make the career switch? LOL

It almost seems criminal what some of these images sell for...but I'm game to try.

I must admit, it would be a very interesting career change. I am not sure how easy photojournalism is (or how much it pays). There are some interesting commentaries from pros on amateur photojournalist portfolios at

//www.sportsshooter.com/student_portfolio/index_new.html

If you can knock out images to a huge size, you actually do so and get some wall space, then the $20-30k images might be there for the taking. My problem is that there is a fair bit of cost in the preparation, and absolutely no guarantee of any sales (at any price)...!

02/21/2006 11:09:10 AM · #32

Originally posted by cloudsme:

I would think stock photography is more business than art(legally that is). This may be why the "art" clause doesn't apply to stock.

The "art" clause does apply to stock. However, stock is often used commercially, rather than artistically/editorially, which is why a model/property release is often requested.

02/21/2006 11:46:09 AM · #33

Originally posted by legalbeagle:

Originally posted by pawdrix:
I was thinking of getting into some paid photojournalist work.

....maybe next Tuesday I'll make the career switch? LOL

It almost seems criminal what some of these images sell for...but I'm game to try.

I must admit, it would be a very interesting career change. I am not sure how easy photojournalism is (or how much it pays). There are some interesting commentaries from pros on amateur photojournalist portfolios at

//www.sportsshooter.com/student_portfolio/index_new.html

I'm kidding of course but I think the key is being embedded where the action is. Or having access to the action....whatever action.

I have a firend who worked with NY Water Tunnel diggers (aka Sandhogs) and he was also embedded with the NYPD. He was privy to an abundance of rare and scary moments. I'm going to have beer with him tonight to see if there's any opportunities to do something similar.

If I had money, time AND wasn't deathly afraid of being beheaded, I'd go to the Middle East. Those guy's have stones....rocks...courage. You have to admire people who live without the basics for long stretches and truly sacrifice for their work.

That little beheading thing has put a bit of a crimp in my plans... ;)

Message edited by author 2006-02-21 11:47:38.

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02/21/2006 12:39:18 PM · #34

Originally posted by pawdrix:

If I had money, time AND wasn't deathly afraid of being beheaded, I'd go to the Middle East. Those guy's have stones....rocks...courage. You have to admire people who live without the basics for long stretches and truly sacrifice for their work.

That little beheading thing has put a bit of a crimp in my plans... ;)

Don't forget that the Middle East is a big place, and Iraq is just one, relatively small country. There are lots of interesting stories in the area generally. However, there is undeniably a link between level of danger and quality of interest to the shots.

RKT

Canon EOS-60D

02/21/2006 01:06:42 PM · #35

A little more insight about "Heads"...I've always found diCorcia's work quite valid and interesting...but that's just me.

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02/21/2006 02:24:02 PM · #36

Originally posted by legalbeagle:

Originally posted by pawdrix:
If I had money, time AND wasn't deathly afraid of being beheaded, I'd go to the Middle East. Those guy's have stones....rocks...courage. You have to admire people who live without the basics for long stretches and truly sacrifice for their work.

That little beheading thing has put a bit of a crimp in my plans... ;)

Don't forget that the Middle East is a big place, and Iraq is just one, relatively small country. There are lots of interesting stories in the area generally. However, there is undeniably a link between level of danger and quality of interest to the shots.

I have a very low tolerance for pain and an even lower threshold when dealing with the mere thought of pain.

This is as close as I will ever get to putting myself in any sort of life threatening position...

so the Middle East is entirely out of the question...plus I hate sand...haven't been to the beach in years. ;)

Seriously...I would like to challenge myself more and go to some places that aren't on the safe side of things.

Givemeashot

Nikon D200

02/21/2006 02:54:33 PM · #37

Is this then Art also?

Or just Jim? LOL [/quote]

it looks like art to me!! SOLD!!!

02/21/2006 03:04:27 PM · #38

Originally posted by lhall:

Originally posted by ragamuffingirl:
Okay, what nobody has addressed is that the Hasidim like the Amish and Old Order Mennonites apparently have some religious prohibition against being photographed.

If the Amish ever had a religious prohibition against being photographed, it is, by and large, ignored in the general Amish population, especially where I come from and lived for many years, near a large Amish community. They want you to pay them before you take their picture, and they aren't shy about telling you either.

Where do you live?? There's a large Old Order Mennonite around here, and they very much don't like being photographed. I try to respect their wishes by not getting their faces in any photos I do take. Also, being a not-Old Order Mennonite, I spend a fair amount of time in Lancaster, PA (The Mennonite Mecca) and the Amish up there sometimes go to rediculous lengths to avoid being photographed. Some of the other locals in defense of *their* Amish will go out of their way to screw up your photograph if they know you're trying to shoot an Amish picture. I spoke to an Amishman about it once, and he said they only object to having their faces photogrpahed. So, I feel free to shoot them from behind. :)

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02/21/2006 05:20:30 PM · #39

Originally posted by ragamuffingirl:

There's a large Old Order Mennonite around here, and they very much don't like being photographed. I try to respect their wishes by not getting their faces in any photos I do take. Also, being a not-Old Order Mennonite, I spend a fair amount of time in Lancaster, PA (The Mennonite Mecca) and the Amish up there sometimes go to rediculous lengths to avoid being photographed. :)

I grew up in a neighborhood with a lot of tough Gangs too. The Hassidem got nuthin on the those boys. I'll tell tell ya...when I see those Mennonites coming towards me...man, I just cross the street. They mean business...don't mess with them dudes. Unless you want a good bible beating?

<<>>
"...those Mennonites are bad muthah fu...."
"...Shut yo mouth"
"jus talkin bout the Mennonites"
<<>>

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kdkaboom

Canon EOS-350D Rebel XT

02/21/2006 05:48:14 PM · #40

I live in one of the most orthodox hassidic neighborhoods in brooklyn...I've never really had problems - photography or otherwise.

They've accepted that I'm not moving out ;)

LindaLee

Canon EOS-40D

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM

02/21/2006 06:13:53 PM · #41

Originally posted by ragamuffingirl:

Originally posted by lhall:

Originally posted by ragamuffingirl:
Okay, what nobody has addressed is that the Hasidim like the Amish and Old Order Mennonites apparently have some religious prohibition against being photographed.

If the Amish ever had a religious prohibition against being photographed, it is, by and large, ignored in the general Amish population, especially where I come from and lived for many years, near a large Amish community. They want you to pay them before you take their picture, and they aren't shy about telling you either.

Where do you live?? There's a large Old Order Mennonite around here, and they very much don't like being photographed. I try to respect their wishes by not getting their faces in any photos I do take. Also, being a not-Old Order Mennonite, I spend a fair amount of time in Lancaster, PA (The Mennonite Mecca) and the Amish up there sometimes go to rediculous lengths to avoid being photographed. Some of the other locals in defense of *their* Amish will go out of their way to screw up your photograph if they know you're trying to shoot an Amish picture. I spoke to an Amishman about it once, and he said they only object to having their faces photogrpahed. So, I feel free to shoot them from behind. :)

I am very familiar with the PA Amish, and Mennonites - I grew up, and went to school in Bucks County, and we spent a fair amount of time around both. However,I lived for many years in southern Maryland near a very large Amish community. They travel back and forth to PA fairly often, but I don't think that they are as, "orthodox". Most of them have businesses (and charge outrageous "tourist" prices for everything), many of their teens drive cars, and they are well aware of their ability to make money allowing photographs to be taken of them.

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02/21/2006 06:32:50 PM · #42

LMAO!!! Sounds like you've had an encounter with the Mennonite Mafia. ;)

Originally posted by pawdrix:

Originally posted by ragamuffingirl:
There's a large Old Order Mennonite around here, and they very much don't like being photographed. I try to respect their wishes by not getting their faces in any photos I do take. Also, being a not-Old Order Mennonite, I spend a fair amount of time in Lancaster, PA (The Mennonite Mecca) and the Amish up there sometimes go to rediculous lengths to avoid being photographed. :)

I grew up in a neighborhood with a lot of tough Gangs too. The Hassidem got nuthin on the those boys. I'll tell tell ya...when I see those Mennonites coming towards me...man, I just cross the street. They mean business...don't mess with them dudes. Unless you want a good bible beating?

<<>>
"...those Mennonites are bad muthah fu...."
"...Shut yo mouth"
"jus talkin bout the Mennonites"
<<>>

DrAchoo

Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX5

02/21/2006 06:46:47 PM · #43

All four of my grandparents are Mennonite. I'm sure all of this is in fun...

BTW, nobody I know has an issue with being photographed, but we were all reformed.

02/21/2006 06:55:07 PM · #44

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02/21/2006 08:41:39 PM · #45

Yeah, as far as I know it's only the Old Order Mennonites (the ones who drive buggies) are the only Mennonites who have a religious objection to being photographed. My entry for the "people" part of the Smithsonian's contest is of what is commonly referred to as a black bumber Mennonite. She didn't mind me taking her picture one bit.

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

All four of my grandparents are Mennonite. I'm sure all of this is in fun...

BTW, nobody I know has an issue with being photographed, but we were all reformed.