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02/18/2006 09:30:43 AM · #1 |
I was looking for a receipt on my messy desk last night, and I ran across my daughter's high school newspaper, the "Bellarion". Inside they had a story on things to do around the county, local attractions etc. and they had a photo of Concord Point lighthouse, with the caption under it that said 'Special to the Bellarion/www.images.google.com'.
Well I started looking at that picture, thinking, "Gee this looks REALLY familiar." Then I looked at my own website. Sure enough, my daughter's high school paper randomly plucked one of my photos from the 810 hits for "Concord Point" on Google Images. Go figure.
I don't mind AT ALL that a high school newspaper (especially this particular one) used my image. And I have to say, my daughter uses Google images quite a bit for her artwork (just to get an idea, shape, form, etc. for a certain subject). I actually believe it is a useful resource, if used correctly.
You really can't lay it on Google, but this did just get me wondering about how correctly the entire internet is used. They could have just as well done a standard Google web search, found my site and used the picture anyway. Makes you wonder where any of your photos might get used without you knowing it.
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02/18/2006 09:44:43 AM · #2 |
Good point. That is another of the many fundamental issues brought on by the rise of the Internet. It has changed life as we know it.
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02/18/2006 09:49:42 AM · #3 |
exactly ... and i've been wondering for years hot to protect images on the web, seems like a fight against windmills :-)
damn.
peaece
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02/18/2006 10:23:34 AM · #4 |
My daughter's yearbook last year had several of my pictures in it ... all, luckily, with my name shown as the photographer.
Come to find out, my daughter was giving them these pictures ... after all, she has access to all of my work on our home computer.
Well... at least I got good exposure out of it. :-)
Okay, not quite the same situation... but still a case of my images showing up somewhere without my prior knowledge or permission. |
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02/18/2006 10:36:33 AM · #5 |
In both cases, I can't believe the teacher that oversees the yearbook and newspaper allowed the images to be used without "permission".
Looks like the educators need to be educated on IP.
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02/18/2006 04:39:38 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by larryslights:
... they had a photo of Concord Point lighthouse, with the caption under it that said 'Special to the Bellarion/www.images.google.com'. ... |
By very carefully not looking deep enough to find out who actually owned the image the school was able to shuffle the responsibility for any potential inappropriate use onto Google by naming it as the source. Not the best example to set for the kids, but certainly the quickest way to get an image for the story.
What they did was probably not illegal due to editorial purposes and that they did list 'their' source. However, as a wake-up call for the faculty overseeing the paper, you might want to drop them a line telling them that you have no objections to them using your image this time -- but in the future it is best to ask first. Maybe next time they will give a moments thought to the example they are sitting.
David
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02/24/2007 06:39:37 PM · #7 |
Well, it happened again. I took my daughter to the county library today, and as we were leaving I walked past the board by the front door where they post the flyers for upcoming events at the library. Then I went back. Sure enough, there was a flyer with this photo on it:
It was advertising a "Meet the Author" event at another branch of the library.
When I asked the librarian who prepared the flyers, she said that sometimes it was the library and sometimes the author. She then asked me if my photo was in the public domain. I explianed that it is on my website, which has copyright notices on it. She said that the library is usually very careful about that stuff. She took the flyer down and took my name and number and is going to find out who made the flyer. My daughter was hiding in the rows of books. She said I was getting a little loud. I wasn't arguing or angry, just a little upset & concerned.
Now don't get me wrong, I'm flattered and I don't mind my local library using my photo on a flyer. (Just like I didn't mind the school paper before). All I ask is that they get my permission, or at least give me a photo credit. My biggest concern was that the author may have been using the photo, but I looked the book up on Amazon and it was published in 2004. I took the photo December 27, 2004, so I doubt it's in the book.
But again, it looks like people think that anything on the internet is fair game. It's a real shame.
Message edited by author 2007-02-24 18:44:37.
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02/24/2007 06:43:26 PM · #8 |
Your daughter's school should be ashamed of themselves! Time for you to go educate her educator's.
Sad! |
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02/24/2007 06:45:03 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Looks like the educators need to be educated on IP. |
Ahh... But who will educate the educators?
The coastguards! |
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02/24/2007 06:51:26 PM · #10 |
| Google has actually been sued by several paysites and porn sites over what it does. |
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02/25/2007 05:04:47 AM · #11 |
Google being sued by some porn companies is slightly different, from what I recall, google were able to get images that were in the restricted areas that members had to pay for.
It is generally accepted that linking to the source on the internet is legal, which is what google do (their cache systems are a somewhat different issue again, but that has stood up to some cases as well i think.
I have no legal background, so what i'm talking could be rubbish, but that is what I seem to recall reading. Of course, google is multinational, each nation with its own laws, so.... |
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02/25/2007 05:41:49 AM · #12 |
| Fortunately Google honors robots.txt so you can tell them not to index your images. Probably a good idea considering most people consider any image listed in the index free to use. |
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02/25/2007 08:44:55 AM · #13 |
Yes, the googlebot does honor a robots.txt, and so does rover :)
But, to be fair, when you do an image search, it does say this:
Image may be scaled down and subject to copyright.
after you click on the picture. I don't see how Google can be held liable in a court of law if they are not the ones condoning the downloads just providing the links.
If you think about it, an internet business lives or dies depending on its Google ranking. I just find it funny that now that we are indexed, we are complaining because of the content that is presented.
I did find an interesting way to deter a download though. Check out what this site does when you click on an image to enlarge :) |
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02/25/2007 09:03:29 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by TCGuru:
I did find an interesting way to deter a download though. Check out what this site does when you click on an image to enlarge :) |
That would get on my nerves if i was browsing their site. |
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02/25/2007 09:33:39 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by Elvis_L:
Originally posted by TCGuru:
I did find an interesting way to deter a download though. Check out what this site does when you click on an image to enlarge :) |
That would get on my nerves if i was browsing their site. |
LOL yeah, I hate the scrolling colour bars too buuut, it is an interesting idea to overlay the picture with an active X control, even if it didn't do anything (like distort) hehe |
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02/25/2007 09:49:03 AM · #16 |
| Since you specifically said you photo was of the "Concord Point lighthouse", you may want to also consider that certain public landmarks and buildings would require permission for you to post the picture on your site. In other words, you could argue that they used your photo without permission (which you already said wasn't an issue for you), but the Concord Point lighthouse may require permission for you to publicly display the picture you took. I'm definitely not trying to turn the tables here, but I know from the stock sites I upload to, you would probably need a signed property release to sell the picture for stock, so theoretically there could be a copywright issue on your end as well. Just something to consider--I'm sure it isn't really a problem in your case. |
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02/25/2007 09:50:39 AM · #17 |
Originally posted by Elvis_L:
Originally posted by TCGuru:
I did find an interesting way to deter a download though. Check out what this site does when you click on an image to enlarge :) |
That would get on my nerves if i was browsing their site. |
LOL ...
site wouldn't load for me ... firefox says no to activex because it's dangerous as hell!
one way of protecting your images is to use flash ...
but admittedly, once you put an image online, there's no protecting it. shift+printscreen will take any image, regardless of protection.
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02/25/2007 10:04:15 AM · #18 |
you can disallow/prompt and deny activeX apps from being loaded through the internet options in IE. not a fail safe method by any means.
Originally posted by TCGuru:
LOL yeah, I hate the scrolling colour bars too buuut, it is an interesting idea to overlay the picture with an active X control, even if it didn't do anything (like distort) hehe |
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02/25/2007 11:02:42 AM · #19 |
Originally posted by Pixlmaker:
Since you specifically said you photo was of the "Concord Point lighthouse", you may want to also consider that certain public landmarks and buildings would require permission for you to post the picture on your site. In other words, you could argue that they used your photo without permission (which you already said wasn't an issue for you), but the Concord Point lighthouse may require permission for you to publicly display the picture you took. I'm definitely not trying to turn the tables here, but I know from the stock sites I upload to, you would probably need a signed property release to sell the picture for stock, so theoretically there could be a copywright issue on your end as well. Just something to consider--I'm sure it isn't really a problem in your case. |
That lighthouse was probably built before 1986, which I believe is the first year that buildings themselves were subject to copyright restriction. Buildings owned by the governement (public) are generally in the public domain unless there are specific, posted restrictions (as at the Lincoln memorial), and if shot from a public place should not need a property release.
I've had this image accepted for stock with no release and no problems:
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02/25/2007 11:09:54 AM · #20 |
Originally posted by Pixlmaker:
Since you specifically said you photo was of the "Concord Point lighthouse", you may want to also consider that certain public landmarks and buildings would require permission for you to post the picture on your site. In other words, you could argue that they used your photo without permission (which you already said wasn't an issue for you), but the Concord Point lighthouse may require permission for you to publicly display the picture you took. I'm definitely not trying to turn the tables here, |
Looking at this info I would expect no problems with the Concord Point lighthouse.
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Current Use: HISTORIC SITE
Owner/Manager: CITY OF HAVRE DE GRACE / FRIENDS OF CONCORD POINT LIGHTHOUSE, INC.
Web Site:
Open to the Public? YES (Go to Lighthouses to Visit by Region for access information)
National Register Status: LISTED; Reference #76000999
Name of Listing: HAVRE DE GRACE LIGHTHOUSE
On State List/Inventory? YES; Year Listed:
Miscellaneous:
2ND OLDEST LIGHTHOUSE TOWER ON CHESAPEAKE BAY
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Since this appears to be an historic landmark originally built with public funds I expect photographs probably are ok. To be sure you'd have to contact the private org. that maintains it.
Edit: added a URL with info
Harve de Grace Lighthouse
My great- grandfather was keeper at this lighthouse for a few years in the mid 1930s. Cape Charles/Smith Island
Message edited by author 2007-02-25 11:28:01.
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