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02/16/2006 01:55:09 PM · #51 |
Originally posted by zeuszen:
...I do give out 10s here. |
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02/16/2006 01:56:54 PM · #52 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by zeuszen:
...I do give out 10s here. |
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They're supposed to be a rare thing, something special. There is no 11. |
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02/16/2006 02:06:49 PM · #53 |
Originally posted by zeuszen:
They're supposed to be a rare thing, something special. There is no 11. |
You sure? When I REALLY like a picture I give it a 10, then vote again and give it a 1. I assumed that makes 11? Are you saying this doesn't work?
R. (tongue firmly in cheek)
Message edited by author 2006-02-16 14:07:08.
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02/16/2006 02:09:31 PM · #54 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by zeuszen:
They're supposed to be a rare thing, something special. There is no 11. |
You sure? When I REALLY like a picture I give it a 10, then vote again and give it a 1. I assumed that makes 11? Are you saying this doesn't work?
R. (tongue firmly in cheek) |
I've seen worse scenarios at work here. ;-/ |
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02/16/2006 02:11:25 PM · #55 |
Originally posted by zeuszen:
You might faint when I tell you this, but I do give out 10s here. They're not a dime a dozen, still, I'm not waiting for Godot, only for the heart to race a little. ;-) |
"Waiting for Guffman" is a little more like it. This is DPC after all.
Ooooh....an idea for a Challenge
Note to self: Create a Corky St. Clair, Splash Shot!!!
Message edited by author 2006-02-16 14:33:10.
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02/16/2006 02:26:36 PM · #56 |
Originally posted by zeuszen:
...I do give out 10s here.
They're supposed to be a rare thing, something special. There is no 11. |
The rules read 10 is "good"... not excellent, great, incedible, perfect or even anything close to those superlatives. It just says "good". By that reckoning not a single image out of some 89,000 challenge submissions has been even close to "good".
It is the responsibility of each voter to decide for themselves what "good" means to them.
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02/16/2006 02:40:49 PM · #57 |
Originally posted by stdavidson:
Originally posted by zeuszen:
...I do give out 10s here.
They're supposed to be a rare thing, something special. There is no 11. |
The rules read 10 is "good"... not excellent, great, incedible, perfect or even anything close to those superlatives. It just says "good". By that reckoning not a single image out of some 89,000 challenge submissions has been even close to "good".
It is the responsibility of each voter to decide for themselves what "good" means to them. |
Bread is good. Rules are narrow: good - bad. Narrow. And what's with these frequent references to rules here, in the forums, lately. I'd encourage anyone use their own heart and mind once in a while. Rules can follow. |
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02/16/2006 02:42:24 PM · #58 |
Not to beat a dead horse but let me ask then, hypotheticly, if Drachoo had been able to move to his left a little and perhaps gotten a slightly higher perspective, would this have made the composition stronger? In other words, if the broken bit of boat on the left were slighly closer to the bottom of the frame, thus creating a more diagonal effect from small bit to larger boat piece, would this have strengthened the composition?
And secondly, how important is the softness of the water? Would it have lost strength with a faster shutter speed?
--jrjr |
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02/16/2006 04:11:10 PM · #59 |
Originally posted by jrjr:
... if Drachoo had been able to move to his left a little and perhaps gotten a slightly higher perspective, would this have made the composition stronger? ...
And secondly, how important is the softness of the water? Would it have lost strength with a faster shutter speed? |
Water softness is one of the strongest supporting compositional elements in the image. I do not believe it would have achieved the blue without it.
In the case of a hypothetical new perspective you would be getting a strong diagonal from lower left to upper right which should be a natural more appealing line, for westerners at least. That would strengthen it one way. But it would have changed other elements and their relationships in the image in ways that is hard to visualize now but could potentially weaken the overall composition. Be interesting to know if DrAchoo tried different perspectives for that shot and what he thought. I know it is very flat there and about all you can do is walk back and forth for different angles.
This is a good discussion. It is not often we talk about image composition and what qualities differentiate one image from another between two similar pictures.
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02/16/2006 04:36:26 PM · #60 |
Originally posted by jrjr:
Not to beat a dead horse but let me ask then, hypotheticly, if Drachoo had been able to move to his left a little and perhaps gotten a slightly higher perspective, would this have made the composition stronger? In other words, if the broken bit of boat on the left were slighly closer to the bottom of the frame, thus creating a more diagonal effect from small bit to larger boat piece, would this have strengthened the composition?
And secondly, how important is the softness of the water? Would it have lost strength with a faster shutter speed?
--jrjr |
Ask and ye shall receive. Here are 4 outtakes. Some do not have nearly as much water blur, others are different perspectives. I didn't show totally other perspectives, but believe me I walked all the way around the boat taking shots. I also tried to crop one (the last I think) like you asked. It happens to be taken more to the left as well.
A few other notes. The outtakes have zero to little PP. I think a few have no RAW conversion, others have the auto settings. You can compare the closest shot to mine and look at the difference the PP made. As far as borders go, I'm a known culprit of strong borders. Almost all of mine are 20 pixels and lots have that inlaid stripe. I mainly use a border when the main colors are anywhere near the gray DPC background. I want separation.
My original vision for the shot was much closer to the B&W treatment "Ghostship". I wanted the blur of the water to look like fog with this hulking, broken monstrosity floating through it. I was going for "eerie" and "haunted". The shot I wound up with isn't quite as much of either, but I still managed to get people to feel these qualities (as per the comments).
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02/16/2006 08:59:26 PM · #61 |
Damn, Bear Music that was a fantastic critique. Just to reiterated, DrAchoo shot did better than Karen's because overall his photo conveyed a positive message (i.e. transformation and rebirth) where as Karen's photo did not. That's not a knock on Karen's photo but rather an advantage to DrAchoo's shot in this challenge, which satisfied the "something different" voters were looking for.
Edited for clarity.
Message edited by author 2006-02-16 21:03:23. |
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02/16/2006 09:54:31 PM · #62 |
It's interesting yanko, different people can get different things out of it and I don't think any is really less valid, even if I had a specific idea in mind.
As mentioned, I originally wanted a ghost feel, but while processing this shot, I liked the idea of nature triumphing over man's invention. As I am wont to have long titles or quotes as titles, I wracked my brain trying to convey this. I could never come up with a nice sounding, shortish title (the closest was along the lines of "To Nature, man is but folly"). You will see some of my outtakes have names like "Reclamation" and "Nature's Dominion"; those were attempts at this concept. |
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