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02/15/2006 08:29:24 PM · #1 |
| There is alot of good photography on this site. I'm having a difficult time voting because sometimes the photogrphy is great but has little or nothing to do with the challenge. SOmetimes the challenge is depicted so well but the photography is poor. Which is which? |
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02/15/2006 08:31:54 PM · #2 |
We're voting on both!!!
Myself, I generally rate the photo on its merits as a photo and then just accordingly depending on how well it met the challenge.
edit: and by just I mean adjust...
Message edited by author 2006-02-15 20:32:23. |
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02/15/2006 08:35:42 PM · #3 |
| I'm voting on both but if it doesn't fit the challenge at all then it got a very low mark .. I mean why have a challenge topic if no one is going to follow it? |
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02/15/2006 08:38:44 PM · #4 |
Are you yelling or talking?
Message edited by author 2006-02-15 20:46:16.
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02/15/2006 08:45:47 PM · #5 |
I think that meeting the challenge is what is important. If it wasn't then why would we have challenges. Digital Picture Challenge! It happens that you sometimes get the most random submissions that have nothing to do with the challenge. In those cases, no matter how good the pics is, i penalize it. How is it then fair for those who put alot of effort into trying to meet the challenge but perhaps because lack of imagination or something submit a weak photograph? I have a hard time already voting in "Free Studies and "Best's of" because ANY photograph can be submited. the voting criteria are then alot harder to determine. I'm not saying thatt you should kill a photograph because it's off topic, but I believe that penalizing it is appropriate.
Message edited by author 2006-02-15 20:46:47.
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02/15/2006 08:46:23 PM · #6 |
Seems to me that when I joined and read all the terms of agreement and rules it said that you should take the challenge subject into account as one of your highest priorities when voting.
Now with that said we should give the photo every benefit of the doubt that it meets the challenge, even if we have a slightly different interpretation. Great photos, unless clearly not meeting the challenge (like a blue photo in a challenge called Red)should be scored well. At least not hammered with 1's, 2's and 3's.
IMHO of course.
Message edited by author 2006-02-15 20:47:53. |
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02/15/2006 08:50:15 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by melissiaward:
There is alot of good photography on this site. I'm having a difficult time voting because sometimes the photogrphy is great but has little or nothing to do with the challenge. SOmetimes the challenge is depicted so well but the photography is poor. Which is which? |
I take about 5 points away for not meeting the challenge at all, less if it's questionable. |
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02/15/2006 08:50:26 PM · #8 |
| I too feel it's important to meet the challenge. I mean that's the whole point of a CHALLENGE isn't it? I vote on that first and then on the photo itself. Honestly if the photo has nothing to do with the challenge then I don't give it as high a score. |
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02/15/2006 08:51:03 PM · #9 |
| However, voters should keep an open mind and realize that their interpretation of what meets the challenge may be very different to that of others. Frequently excellent photos score poorly because the photographer used his imagination a little more than the average voter. On the other hand.....a frog is a poor substitute for a horse! |
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02/15/2006 08:52:07 PM · #10 |
I just randomly click buttons 'til I'm done voting... don't like to think and I like to give everyone a fair chance :-P
j/k *Ducks and Runs*
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02/15/2006 08:53:25 PM · #11 |
It all depends on your viewpoint. One person's view is not better or more correct than another's.
You need to decide for yourself what you are voting on.
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02/15/2006 08:55:55 PM · #12 |
Take a look at this thread:
County Life vs County Side
It shows how anal the interpretations can get and how good photos can be hurt by a narrow vision. My point is that each of us has to make up our own mind but try and be liberal in your interpretaion. |
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02/15/2006 09:09:27 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by mystopia:
I'm voting on both but if it doesn't fit the challenge at all then it got a very low mark .. I mean why have a challenge topic if no one is going to follow it? |
Originally posted by smyk:
...meeting the challenge is what is important. If it wasn't then why would we have challenges... |
Originally posted by missinseattle...:
it's important to meet the challenge. I mean that's the whole point of a CHALLENGE isn't it?... |
etc.
This line of argument comes up frequently. The answer, of course, is that challenges are likely there for the benefit of photographers rather than for the glee of prejudiced voters.
Message edited by author 2006-02-15 21:09:57. |
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02/15/2006 09:10:56 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by zeuszen:
Originally posted by mystopia:
I'm voting on both but if it doesn't fit the challenge at all then it got a very low mark .. I mean why have a challenge topic if no one is going to follow it? |
Originally posted by smyk:
...meeting the challenge is what is important. If it wasn't then why would we have challenges... |
Originally posted by missinseattle...:
it's important to meet the challenge. I mean that's the whole point of a CHALLENGE isn't it?... |
etc.
This line of argument comes up frequently. The answer, of course, is that challenges are likely there for the benefit of photographers rather than for the glee of prejudiced voters. |
::applauds:: I couldnt agree more |
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02/15/2006 09:33:52 PM · #15 |
| I think that meeting the challenge objective is an overriding consideration. I like it when a submittal stretches the definition and makes you think in broader terms. I'm not so happy when I see a photo that's essentially a clone of one submitted slightly earlier in a challenge with a title that tries to make it fit. I down grade photos that don't seem to meet the challenge objectives, regardless of how great they are--but I almost never give a grade less than 4. |
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02/15/2006 10:00:33 PM · #16 |
My personal opinion on this topic is simple. The photography trumps the challenge. That is what I am here for: to see exceptional images. You see, the challenge is the mere pretext to practice photography in DPC. It is good because it makes us move ahead with the next image, however, it is the photography that is most important. I am not here to decipher and parse word meanings. The challengs is a direction but more like a buckshot than a precise bullit.
With me you have enough latitude to be practical as well as artistic and creative. I let the teachers and pedagogues hold people's feet to the fire on meaning. I am not interested in wining a language contest rather I am interested in the quality of the images. |
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02/15/2006 10:11:04 PM · #17 |
Definatly Both. I think the best exaple i have is this shot i did with my old camera before i had any lights its well technically horrible but very clever
If you look at the comment that mavrik gave me that sums it up. I vote in a similar fashion if something absolutely doesnt fit the challenge i cant justify giving it above a 4 no matter how stunning a shot it is, part of the challenge is to depict the challenge topic. If thats not being done then the mark is going down.
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02/15/2006 10:28:58 PM · #18 |
| I give lattitude to challenge topic interpretation. I don't mind a different take on the challenge. If I can't relate a pic to the challenge I score it low. If its a great photo, I still can enjoy it, but will give it a low score. |
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02/15/2006 10:31:08 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by zeuszen:
The answer, of course, is that challenges are likely there for the benefit of photographers rather than for the glee of prejudiced voters. |
While it is indeed true that challenges should be there to benefit the photographers... it is rather harsh to suggest that adherence to established citeria renders one prejudiced.
I will readily grant you artistic licence to interpret the challenge as you will, but I reserve the right to vote accordingly to mine.
Ray
edited to soften a rather caustic comment.
Message edited by author 2006-02-15 23:08:36. |
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02/15/2006 10:42:29 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
... it is folly to suggest that adherence to established citeria renders one prejudiced.
I will readily grant you artistic licence to interpret the challenge as you will, but I reserve the right to vote accordingly to mine... |
ΓΆ€ΒΆ Who or what establishes the criteria, you, the viewer, or the photographer from within his field of view?
ΓΆ€ΒΆ As an artist, if I were one, I would resent anyone granting me a license which is already mine by virtue of function.
ΓΆ€ΒΆ You have all kinds of rights including the one to vote as you please, regardless of it being sensible or not. |
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02/15/2006 11:08:04 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by zeuszen:
[quote=RayEthier]... it is rather harsh to suggest that adherence to established citeria renders one prejudiced.
I will readily grant you artistic licence to interpret the challenge as you will, but I reserve the right to vote accordingly to mine... |
Who or what establishes the criteria, you, the viewer, or the photographer from within his field of view ?
The criteria are set in the preamble to the section of the DPC standards dealing with voting procedures. The interpretation of same rests with the individual.
]ΓΆ€ΒΆ As an artist, if I were one, I would resent anyone granting me a license which is already mine by virtue of function
You may indeed have licence by virtue of the function, but the granting in this instance is mine as I am the holder of the vote, and only I can grant the value factor as it relates to the interpretation of the challenge theme. Viewed in this perspective what you may of may not resent is inconsequential relative to the vote.
.You have all kinds of rights including the one to vote as you please, regardless of it being sensible or not.ΓΆ€ΒΆ
It would seem in this instance that your inference is that you would view anyone who holds firm to their conviction that the challenge topic does merit consideration is not being "sensible". It could be that I have misinterpreted your comments and if I have then do enlighten me
Message edited by author 2006-02-15 23:10:26. |
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02/15/2006 11:36:49 PM · #22 |
ΓΆ€ΒΆ Adolf Eichman's primary defense against the accusation that he committed genocide was that he had merely carried out orders and that he, therefore, carried no personal responsibility.
ΓΆ€ΒΆ Why would anyone who already has a thing have to depend on being granted the same thing after the fact, especially when such grace is extended by someone who has contributed nothing to the photograph?
ΓΆ€ΒΆ You're inferring an assumption I did not make. I said what I said, inferring nothing that isn't there. |
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02/15/2006 11:39:28 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by melissiaward:
ARE WE VOTING ON THE TOPIC or THE PHOTOGRAPHY? |
the answer would be, BOTH. |
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02/15/2006 11:58:41 PM · #24 |
[quote=zeuszen] ΓΆ€ΒΆ Adolf Eichman's primary defense against the accusation that he committed genocide was that he had merely carried out orders and that he, therefore, carried no personal responsibility.
I have no idea how this is germaine to the discussion at hand, but the rest assured that I have no problems with assuming my responsibility.
ΓΆ€ΒΆ Why would anyone who already has a thing have to depend on being granted the same thing after the fact, especially when such grace is extended by someone who has contributed nothing to the photograph?
You seem to have the mistaken impression that I am striving to curb artistic endeavours. Far from it.... What I am advocating is that I reserve the right to vote as I please... that sir is the essence of the argument here.
It would seem that in this instance we have a diametrically opposed perspective as to how voting should be undertaken. I can accept the liberal interpretation you seem to advocate, but also reserve my unalienable right to vote in accordance to my interpretation of what factors need be considered.
Ray
Message edited by author 2006-02-16 00:11:53. |
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02/16/2006 12:02:37 AM · #25 |
Originally posted by crayon:
Originally posted by melissiaward:
ARE WE VOTING ON THE TOPIC or THE PHOTOGRAPHY? |
the answer would be, BOTH. |
agreed. we should be considering both |
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