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 02/15/2006 12:52:44 PM · #26
It should be obvious to everyone that assuming you wanted to be a pro fashion photographer, it would be necessary, required even, that you become skilled at the lighting and shooting of fashion models; ditto for ANY sort of photography ΓΆ€” product photography, architectural photography, whatever. They all have their particular challenges that must be overcome, and you can't do ANY of them at a professional level by taking mediocre photographs and somehow magically transforming them in photoshop.

The base image always comes first, and if it's not a good image in its own right you are doomed. So I see NO Inconsistency in doing a "fashion" challenge in basic editing. In fact, I don't see any inconsistency in doing ANY of the challenges we have had in basic editing, with the notable exception of "Tribute", where in order to emulate certain photographers' styles you had to emulate their post-processing as well; and in that one the powers-that-be kindly agreed to make the challenge advanced editing, which was a real boon.

R.
 02/15/2006 12:56:08 PM · #27
Originally posted by alexsaberi:
Originally posted by hokie:
Here are a couple of examples where he was helping me learn and no photoshopping occurred at all minus basic rule stuff.


Originally posted by alexsaberi:


And this is why we need advanced editing!!! :-)


I reckon you get better, more professional shots than you posted to be fair. Sorry. Just my opinion.


Well, considering I did use the word learn it makes sense that I hope to get better :-)

But that does not address the fact that not all talented professionals use photoshop which it seems, that this thread is implying.

I look forward to your fashion shots alex, you have shown your quality to date :-)

Message edited by author 2006-02-15 12:58:19.
 02/15/2006 01:26:05 PM · #28
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
It should be obvious to everyone that assuming you wanted to be a pro fashion photographer, it would be necessary, required even, that you become skilled at the lighting and shooting of fashion models; ditto for ANY sort of photography ΓΆ€” product photography, architectural photography, whatever. They all have their particular challenges that must be overcome, and you can't do ANY of them at a professional level by taking mediocre photographs and somehow magically transforming them in photoshop.

The base image always comes first, and if it's not a good image in its own right you are doomed. So I see NO Inconsistency in doing a "fashion" challenge in basic editing. In fact, I don't see any inconsistency in doing ANY of the challenges we have had in basic editing, with the notable exception of "Tribute", where in order to emulate certain photographers' styles you had to emulate their post-processing as well; and in that one the powers-that-be kindly agreed to make the challenge advanced editing, which was a real boon.

R.


Of course lighting, composition, exposure, and all other things that make up the base image are important...however the ability to remove even minor blemishes can make the difference between a good photo and a great photo. Fashion is about presenting an idealized image. It is not impossible to acheive this without photoshop, but it isn't easy. It generally requires very good makeup, absolutely perfect lighting, and doesn't hurt to have a nearly flawless model. I did read an article several months ago in Popular photography about one of the playboy photographers. It said that he rarely used airbrushing on the centerfold images. that being said though, he also had a crew of assitants and many hours of setup and planning for a single shot...not to mention setups that have like 18 light sources in them. In reality it doesn't really bother me that much that it is basic...the only thing I will really miss are the healing brush and ability to dodge and burn.
 02/15/2006 01:52:06 PM · #29
Originally posted by fadedbeauty:


Of course lighting, composition, exposure, and all other things that make up the base image are important...however the ability to remove even minor blemishes can make the difference between a good photo and a great photo. Fashion is about presenting an idealized image. It is not impossible to acheive this without photoshop, but it isn't easy. It generally requires very good makeup, absolutely perfect lighting, and doesn't hurt to have a nearly flawless model. I did read an article several months ago in Popular photography about one of the playboy photographers. It said that he rarely used airbrushing on the centerfold images. that being said though, he also had a crew of assitants and many hours of setup and planning for a single shot...not to mention setups that have like 18 light sources in them. In reality it doesn't really bother me that much that it is basic...the only thing I will really miss are the healing brush and ability to dodge and burn.


I think you hit it exactly here.

Nobody said it was easy or even preferable. However, by making the fashion challenge more difficult by making people shoot with all the consideration for light, model/subject and general composition it makes the challenge even more of a learning experience.

I mean, everyone has a week to get only one shot, certainly that can be done even at DPC without photoshopping :-D

Message edited by author 2006-02-15 13:53:55.
 02/15/2006 06:08:55 PM · #30
I also agree that it should be with advanced editing, in fashion portraits (I would say) probably 98% of the amazing photos had to clone some minor things out or dodge/burn ...but at the same time keeping it in basic editing will be more challenging

edit* maybe "Fashion II" will be advanced editing ;)

Message edited by author 2006-02-15 18:10:33.
 02/15/2006 06:21:54 PM · #31
This thread is exactly what was predicted when "Tribute" was upgraded to Advanced. The danger and warnings have come to pass.

We have to maintain Basic/Open and Advanced/Members as a balance - as has finally been agreed in the Rules thread.

Hopefully, people will forget and we will return to normality and these "... you have to make this Advanced..." threads will die

Brett
 02/15/2006 06:34:30 PM · #32
I'd kinda like to see fashion photography with real people instead of flawless models... Use your skills and abilities to make real people look good - now *there's* a challenge. :-)
02/16/2006 07:21:54 AM · #33
Originally posted by Melethia:
I'd kinda like to see fashion photography with real people instead of flawless models... Use your skills and abilities to make real people look good - now *there's* a challenge. :-)

It is a challenge but not a fashion one. There are standarts to fashion photography, I mean you could just use real normal people without too much editing if it sells of course.

But I have to agree that you shouldn't change the challenge, it was kind of a wrong decision. Hopefully, like Justin said, Fashion II will be advance editing.
 02/16/2006 07:35:55 AM · #34
Who says ya need a model? Clothes, shoes, etc. Hell...easier to make a hand look perfect, than a face.
 02/19/2006 03:08:47 PM · #35
Originally posted by Melethia:
I'd kinda like to see fashion photography with real people instead of flawless models... Use your skills and abilities to make real people look good - now *there's* a challenge. :-)


I agree with this on a "moral" level, but fashion photography isn't about real people for the most part. Although, with advanced editing, you can make anybody flawless. ROFL

I'm out on this one. Good luck to everyone who enters.
 02/19/2006 03:24:31 PM · #36
Alas, I fear all my outside of the box ideas are not just out of the box, but off the ledge... and not all that well executed anyway. I'm resigned to the fact fashion photography will never be my thing. So do I join the huddled masses over in Duotone or sit this one out? (And whatever would I do with the update button if I've nothing in a challenge??)

And as an "oh by the way" I think the Dove commercials on TV that use "normal" people are very effective. I often find "models" very emaciated-looking and their expressions those of either arrogance or disdain. But that's probably just me. I'm severely fashion-challenged. :-)
 02/19/2006 03:32:26 PM · #37
Originally posted by Melethia:
I'd kinda like to see fashion photography with real people instead of flawless models... Use your skills and abilities to make real people look good - now *there's* a challenge. :-)


It was a challenge without advanced editing, but I got something I am proud of. May the challenge begin :)
 02/19/2006 06:07:23 PM · #38
I'm in. Fashion isn't all about clothes. Its about jewelry, hairstyles, glasses, makeup & accessories. I really wish this had been advanced editing though. But I think there will be some good entries even in basic.
 02/19/2006 06:16:51 PM · #39
I shot mine today, and I had no problems what so ever making it look like it was from a magazine. I just took alot of time prepping the model to look perfect and having the lighting be perfect just as well. I had hardly any editing done to mine.

While advanced editing would be fun, I don't think it's needed.

and on a side note.... having all this confidence in my image.... I am expecting to be in the 5's. LMAO!
 02/20/2006 01:24:58 PM · #40
crap ... who said you could play?

Originally posted by kiwiness:
It was a challenge without advanced editing, but I got something I am proud of. May the challenge begin :)
02/20/2006 01:32:55 PM · #41
Ugh!!! Anastasia AND Kiwiness?!?! Hmmmm, duotones is looking a little better right about now... ;-)

Although, there's nothing like going up against the best. And there are a good handful of those around here. :-)
 02/20/2006 01:34:02 PM · #42
oh my gawd wonder how my fashion shot would look dutoned. I am going to get pummeled in this one
 02/20/2006 07:09:59 PM · #43
I actually found this one easy... but then again, I am doing a make up artistry course at tafe and me bestie has done that and a hairdressing course hehe, hardest thing was finding a spot for the shoot and getting the shot
 02/21/2006 09:26:47 AM · #44
For those still waiting for divine inspiration - have a look around this site... Designers @ Nordstrom

Message edited by author 2006-02-21 09:46:55.
 02/21/2006 10:55:38 PM · #45
I'm so unsure of mine. I hope it doesn't get killed! I don't want to wake up to a 4.xxx tomorrow. PLEASE!!!
 02/21/2006 10:56:25 PM · #46
One hour and counting.... we ready for the carnage??
 02/21/2006 10:59:56 PM · #47
I'm getting a headache trying to decide which one to enter... I'm sure I'm not the only one.
 02/21/2006 11:01:03 PM · #48
ok, cant believe im entering this but i am
 02/21/2006 11:01:08 PM · #49
I'm ready for this one....I entered something straight up and perfect for the challenge. It is going to be exciting!
 02/21/2006 11:02:25 PM · #50
I can't decide either! I hope I've picked the more DPC likeable of the 2.
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