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02/10/2006 12:15:45 PM · #51 |
Originally posted by marcellieb:
Did you know that in Africa - You will get more years in jail for killing a Rhino than if you killed a human. |
Sounds fair enough IMO, Rhinos are far more endangered than humans. |
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02/10/2006 12:37:14 PM · #52 |
Originally posted by bluenova:
Originally posted by marcellieb:
Did you know that in Africa - You will get more years in jail for killing a Rhino than if you killed a human. |
Sounds fair enough IMO, Rhinos are far more endangered than humans. |
LOL :-) Very True. And Rhinos have those lovely horns that humans don't.
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02/10/2006 12:39:15 PM · #53 |
Originally posted by marcellieb:
Originally posted by nsbca7:
Originally posted by marcellieb:
Agree - SO WHAT. Fine, the guy is most likely dead - luckily only him. What did he do to be chased by the cops? |
Good question. It could have been something as simple as running a red stop sign or having a tail light out. |
True, but not likely - |
In the US it is very likely. |
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02/10/2006 12:56:37 PM · #54 |
| Here in LA (lower Alabama) we don't seem to have a lot of high speed chases. There was one about two years ago that was started after a 16 year old ran a stop sign. When the police turned his lights on the kid took off. 12 miles later he plowed into the side of a car at an intersection critically wounding the occupant of that vehicle and killing himself and two of his teenage passengers. One of the girls who survived said that he was afraid that if he got caught he would get in trouble for being out too late. |
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02/10/2006 01:03:20 PM · #55 |
Ja well - this is the way I feel. Did you know that at the last break-in I had at my house we were sleeping and the criminal gassed us. I phoned the police while the criminals were still in my house. The police arrived 3 days later.
My Dad had a break-in a while back - He shot and wounded one of the criminals. The police asked him if he killed the guy - when he replied no, the cop wanted to know why not.
Ask anybody living in the SA - We are fed up with crime. My house is a prison. Takes me 10min just to get out through all the gates and locks etc. Yet still these gates are just simple ripped out of the wall.
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02/10/2006 01:14:10 PM · #56 |
As I watched the video and then read this thread I could not help but wonder just how many of the people being all macho and condoning these types of chases has ever actually seen a body after such an accident? How many of you have ever gone out to clean up the mess afterwards? How many of you really know how old these people are and what they have done to deserve this outcome?
My guess if very few of you.
Well I have and I can tell you that many of them are our sons and daughters who did something relatively minor but very stupid and then complicated it by running. They are not all hardened criminals and they certainly did not deserve to die for what they did.
I just hope those of you who take such hard line stances never have to face your own tragedy. How many of you never did stupid things when we were young, some you may be lucky to be alive from?
Life is never black and white no matter how much we would like it to be. |
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02/10/2006 01:43:29 PM · #57 |
Originally posted by jbsmithana:
As I watched the video and then read this thread I could not help but wonder just how many of the people being all macho and condoning these types of chases has ever actually seen a body after such an accident? How many of you have ever gone out to clean up the mess afterwards? How many of you really know how old these people are and what they have done to deserve this outcome?
My guess if very few of you.
Well I have and I can tell you that many of them are our sons and daughters who did something relatively minor but very stupid and then complicated it by running. They are not all hardened criminals and they certainly did not deserve to die for what they did.
I just hope those of you who take such hard line stances never have to face your own tragedy. How many of you never did stupid things when we were young, some you may be lucky to be alive from?
Life is never black and white no matter how much we would like it to be. |
So should the police never give chase? If the driver hits the gas, they should just call it a day and back off? Everyone is someone's son or daughter and any death in such a circumstance is indeed a tragedy, but if you try to outrun the cops, more than likely they will catch you one way or another.
How are the police to tell if the person in the car is running because they're a teenager scared of getting busted for being out past curfew or a wacked out meth-head with a sawed-off shotgun who's looking for a house to rob so he can feed his habit and doesn't give a crap who he kills to do so? Can you imagine the outcry if the police let such a person go, only to have to respond later to a home break-in where the same individual killed all the occupants of the house in a rampage looking for money to go score another hit or two? Or if the driver was a drunk who later plowed into a minvan full of little kids on their way home from a movie?
The message here is DON'T RUN FROM THE COPS and if you do, be aware that the consequences may be fatal. While I sympathize with the relatives of the people who die when they flee police, I don't have much sympathy for those who do the fleeing. Sometimes the lessons that life teaches are brutal.
Message edited by author 2006-02-10 13:51:22.
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02/10/2006 01:54:45 PM · #58 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
So should the police never give chase? If the driver hits the gas, they should just call it a day and back off? Everyone is someone's son or daughter and any death in such a circumstance is indeed a tragedy, but if you try to outrun the cops, more than likely they will catch you one way or another.
How are the police to tell if the person in the car is running because they're a teenager scared of getting busted for being out past curfew or a wacked out meth-head with a sawed-off shotgun who's looking for a house to rob so he can feed his habit and doesn't give a crap who he kills to do so? Can you imagine the outcry if the police let such a person go, only to have to respond later to a home break-in where the same individual killed all the occupants of the house in a rampage looking for money to go score another hit or two?
The message here is DON'T RUN FROM THE COPS and if you do, be aware that the consequences may be fatal. |
No, the message is "life is not all black and white." A police officer needs to evaluate the risk to the public and themselves before giving chase. The risk to the public includes the risk of the chase, not just the risk of a what if "wacked out meth-head with a sawed-off shotgun who's looking for a house to rob so he can feed his habit". Actually, the potential of being the latter is slim. If it is a known felon then so be it, give chase. But the risk is moe likely the chase, not the person being chased.
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02/10/2006 01:57:34 PM · #59 |
Originally posted by jbsmithana:
As I watched the video and then read this thread I could not help but wonder just how many of the people being all macho and condoning these types of chases has ever actually seen a body after such an accident? How many of you have ever gone out to clean up the mess afterwards? How many of you really know how old these people are and what they have done to deserve this outcome?
My guess if very few of you.
Well I have and I can tell you that many of them are our sons and daughters who did something relatively minor but very stupid and then complicated it by running. They are not all hardened criminals and they certainly did not deserve to die for what they did.
I just hope those of you who take such hard line stances never have to face your own tragedy. How many of you never did stupid things when we were young, some you may be lucky to be alive from?
Life is never black and white no matter how much we would like it to be. |
Hey....lets allow all the criminals go. Why take chance...that chase was probably for a parking ticket. Gotta love liberals!
There was obviously a good reason for the chase. If you are stupid enough to run..then you get what you deserve.
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02/10/2006 01:57:34 PM · #60 |
Aw cum on pleeeze, do we really need to spend a thread on this ?
I really don't think DPC is the place to post such videos.
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02/10/2006 01:59:09 PM · #61 |
Originally posted by Tom_Robbrecht:
Aw cum on pleeeze, do we really need to spend a thread on this ?
I really don't think DPC is the place to post such videos. |
I agree. I'm done. |
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02/10/2006 01:59:55 PM · #62 |
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02/10/2006 02:09:18 PM · #63 |
Originally posted by Riponlady:
Originally posted by NathanW:
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The trouble is that in chasing someone the police are pushing them to drive in exceedingly dangerous manners and that endangers every other innocent driver who happens to get in the way. Or to drive at excessive speeds down residential streets. There are a variety of methods of stopping them or following them that don't involve high speeds.
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It's the stopping part I think they should be more adamant about. Don't just follow the idiot...STOP THEM. |
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02/10/2006 02:44:24 PM · #64 |
Originally posted by NathanW:
Originally posted by Riponlady:
Originally posted by NathanW:
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The trouble is that in chasing someone the police are pushing them to drive in exceedingly dangerous manners and that endangers every other innocent driver who happens to get in the way. Or to drive at excessive speeds down residential streets. There are a variety of methods of stopping them or following them that don't involve high speeds.
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It's the stopping part I think they should be more adamant about. Don't just follow the idiot...STOP THEM. |
Like your comment - Anyway, I don't take a stance on "should cops give chase or not...", I don't know what the circumstances were here and to the guy that asked if we ever saw the clean-up - Answer is YES. I took a 3 year old little girl that got raped to the hospital. I saw what housebreakers can do to people living in a house. I had to go and tell a wife and kids that her husband was shot 5 times in an attempt to take his car - Off cource I enjoy to see criminals getting their own back.
Do you know how much I would love to see the rapist of a 3month old abandoned baby girl being the one on this video.
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02/10/2006 03:02:37 PM · #65 |
Originally posted by BADDBOYY21:
Originally posted by jbsmithana:
As I watched the video and then read this thread I could not help but wonder just how many of the people being all macho and condoning these types of chases has ever actually seen a body after such an accident? How many of you have ever gone out to clean up the mess afterwards? How many of you really know how old these people are and what they have done to deserve this outcome?
My guess if very few of you.
Well I have and I can tell you that many of them are our sons and daughters who did something relatively minor but very stupid and then complicated it by running. They are not all hardened criminals and they certainly did not deserve to die for what they did.
I just hope those of you who take such hard line stances never have to face your own tragedy. How many of you never did stupid things when we were young, some you may be lucky to be alive from?
Life is never black and white no matter how much we would like it to be. |
Hey....lets allow all the criminals go. Why take chance...that chase was probably for a parking ticket. Gotta love liberals!
There was obviously a good reason for the chase. If you are stupid enough to run..then you get what you deserve. |
And what about anyone in the way of the chased car or the speeding police car? Did they get what they deserved? And don't say it doesn't happen. It happens everyday in this country and in others.
Kinda get tired of the right wing militants always yelling "liberal" every-time someone disagrees with them. You're arguing with common sense, not liberalism. I never heard anyone say you should let them go. Where are they going on an interstate with a helicopter and police radio? |
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02/10/2006 03:04:58 PM · #66 |
| And yes, if that were me in the black SUV that ran over the squishy rag doll I would have stopped, got out and puked. |
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02/10/2006 03:29:09 PM · #67 |
Originally posted by jbsmithana:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
So should the police never give chase? If the driver hits the gas, they should just call it a day and back off? Everyone is someone's son or daughter and any death in such a circumstance is indeed a tragedy, but if you try to outrun the cops, more than likely they will catch you one way or another.
How are the police to tell if the person in the car is running because they're a teenager scared of getting busted for being out past curfew or a wacked out meth-head with a sawed-off shotgun who's looking for a house to rob so he can feed his habit and doesn't give a crap who he kills to do so? Can you imagine the outcry if the police let such a person go, only to have to respond later to a home break-in where the same individual killed all the occupants of the house in a rampage looking for money to go score another hit or two?
The message here is DON'T RUN FROM THE COPS and if you do, be aware that the consequences may be fatal. |
No, the message is "life is not all black and white." A police officer needs to evaluate the risk to the public and themselves before giving chase. The risk to the public includes the risk of the chase, not just the risk of a what if "wacked out meth-head with a sawed-off shotgun who's looking for a house to rob so he can feed his habit". Actually, the potential of being the latter is slim. If it is a known felon then so be it, give chase. But the risk is moe likely the chase, not the person being chased. |
Again, how are the police to know if a felon is behind the wheel or not?
As for the likelihood of it being a "wacked out meth-head with a sawed-off shotgun who's looking for a house to rob so he can feed his habit" around here it's reasonably high. There were more meth lab busts in this county than anywhere else in the state. About 1/2 to 3/4 of the police blotter is meth related.
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02/10/2006 03:37:49 PM · #68 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Again, how are the police to know if a felon is behind the wheel or not?
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Exactly. Unless they just robbed a bank or were in the commission of a crime the police probably don't know. Unless they do chances are it is safer to pull back (not let them go) and call reinforcements. The old saying "you can run from the cops, but you can't outrun the radio" is more true now then it ever was. |
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02/10/2006 03:53:50 PM · #69 |
By the way - I hit a wanna be (now both legs broken) hijacker with my car two weeks ago. I am not a bad person or someone who enjoys the hurting of other people, but - I DID ENJOY HITTING THAT HIJACKER. Turnd out he was a murderer,robber,rapist on the run. I stopped his run for him.
Did cause damage to my car, but - definately worth it. Insurance would much rather pay the R2000-00 than the R180 000-00.
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02/10/2006 04:05:34 PM · #70 |
| I think the real moral here is don't run from the law, especially if your driving a FORD EXPLORER! Didn't the guy ever read DOT roll-over reports? |
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02/10/2006 04:19:09 PM · #71 |
The bad guys must also remember that the cops gets trained for high speed chases. In SA we have what is called the flying Squad. They get souped up BMW's and Opels etc and they specifically gets trained in law enforcement by car.
Normal cops drives vans (That Ford will outrun a normal SA cop easily). LOL - In the lower crime rate areas, the cops gets issued with bicycles. Actualy funny seeing a mocho cop with a big gun on a 6 speed bike.
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02/10/2006 04:32:51 PM · #72 |
Originally posted by marcellieb:
The bad guys must also remember that the cops gets trained for high speed chases. In SA we have what is called the flying Squad. They get souped up BMW's and Opels etc and they specifically gets trained in law enforcement by car.
Normal cops drives vans (That Ford will outrun a normal SA cop easily). LOL - In the lower crime rate areas, the cops gets issued with bicycles. Actualy funny seeing a mocho cop with a big gun on a 6 speed bike. |
We still have horses here. |
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02/10/2006 04:36:44 PM · #73 |
LOL - Horses will not work here - Africa needs food - horse meat considered a delicasy. Saw the other day that the police station hire security companies to protect them.
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02/10/2006 04:43:00 PM · #74 |
| How bad is it in SA? I thought you guys had natural resources out the yazoo. |
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02/10/2006 05:46:31 PM · #75 |
Originally posted by Riponlady:
The trouble is that in chasing someone the police are pushing them to drive in exceedingly dangerous manners and that endangers every other innocent driver who happens to get in the way. Or to drive at excessive speeds down residential streets. There are a variety of methods of stopping them or following them that don't involve high speeds.
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Why don't you don't you elaborate on some of those methods? I'm intrigued.
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