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02/10/2006 01:24:42 AM · #26 |
Originally posted by henry_buckle:
im not saying that its ok to run from the police im just against having 21 innocents killed when the police could just look up the rego and arrest them later.
I forgot to mention the it was the police crashing in a lot of those cases. |
I am not familiar with the laws where you live, but in this country a defence lawyer would have a field day with your proposal, since the officer has to prove who was at the wheel at the time of the incident.
Secondly, having been there, I certainly feel for the police officers involved in this process. Should you decide to call off a chase, and then have the speeding vehicle crash into a van full of kids, you would be accused of nonfeasance, and dereliction of duty.
In an effort to remedy the situation, all patrol officers must now report high speed chases at the onset, and obtain authorization from the shift commander to continue pursuit. Hence, the decision now rests with a person of authority who must take all factors into consideration prior to rendering a decision.
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02/10/2006 01:33:25 AM · #27 |
| In Los Angeles, the car chase capital, they are deploying a new device to help avoid car chases. The sticky GPS. Basically, it's like a gooey paintball with a GPS transmitter in it. The cops just have to shoot one onto the car, then they can hang back and see right where the car is going without having to chase up close. |
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02/10/2006 01:43:16 AM · #28 |
In my wild youth, I've been both successful and unsuccessful at eluding police. The one unsuccessful incident was on a motorcycle when I was 13 and ended with a face plant in a light pole. Should've killed me since I went head first into the steel pole with no helmet at 55mph on impact, but God spared me to wreak havoc for a few more years before I snapped out of it.
On a related note, what do you think about installing engine kill devices in all cars that would give the police the ability to simply shut off your engine remotely? I'm not sure which side of the argument I would be on really - but it seems like a good idea. |
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02/10/2006 01:43:55 AM · #29 |
Ive heard Australia has overtaken LA in car chases?
Anyway one of those id hate to be a police officer cases, arose last year when a cop was responding to an emergency and travelling at 120kph in a 50kph zone. The Officer lost his license but there was a great debate about if he was in doing the right thing. |
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02/10/2006 01:47:35 AM · #30 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
In my wild youth, I've been both successful and unsuccessful at eluding police. The one unsuccessful incident was on a motorcycle when I was 13 and ended with a face plant in a light pole. Should've killed me since I went head first into the steel pole with no helmet at 55mph on impact, but God spared me to wreak havoc for a few more years before I snapped out of it.
On a related note, what do you think about installing engine kill devices in all cars that would give the police the ability to simply shut off your engine remotely? I'm not sure which side of the argument I would be on really - but it seems like a good idea. |
I'd be worried about such a device malfunctioning while I'm driving to work.
Not to mention, as soon as something like that gets put in cars, someone else will have a hack ready that will bypass said device, basically rendering it useless. |
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02/10/2006 01:54:18 AM · #31 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
I'd be worried about such a device malfunctioning while I'm driving to work.
Not to mention, as soon as something like that gets put in cars, someone else will have a hack ready that will bypass said device, basically rendering it useless. |
Those are specifically the arguments I've heard, but there are already computer chips running cars vital systems that could fail and cause your car to malfunction - heck, I've been knocked out by an old-fashoined water pump failure among other things - this seems like an invalid fear.
As far as hacks - true - but that's not a reason NOT to do something. Not everyone will hack their car's system - in fact very few I would say. Not to mention that the majority of these car chases involve a stolen car, so it's not likely the auto-kill device would be disabled in the majority of these chases.
edit: typo
Message edited by author 2006-02-10 01:54:57. |
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02/10/2006 02:01:33 AM · #32 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by henry_buckle:
im not saying that its ok to run from the police im just against having 21 innocents killed when the police could just look up the rego and arrest them later.
I forgot to mention the it was the police crashing in a lot of those cases. |
I am not familiar with the laws where you live, but in this country a defence lawyer would have a field day with your proposal, since the officer has to prove who was at the wheel at the time of the incident.
Secondly, having been there, I certainly feel for the police officers involved in this process. Should you decide to call off a chase, and then have the speeding vehicle crash into a van full of kids, you would be accused of nonfeasance, and dereliction of duty.
In an effort to remedy the situation, all patrol officers must now report high speed chases at the onset, and obtain authorization from the shift commander to continue pursuit. Hence, the decision now rests with a person of authority who must take all factors into consideration prior to rendering a decision.
Ray |
Wow...how many patrol horses have been crashed up there?
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02/10/2006 02:11:45 AM · #33 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
In my wild youth, I've been both successful and unsuccessful at eluding police. The one unsuccessful incident was on a motorcycle when I was 13 and ended with a face plant in a light pole. Should've killed me since I went head first into the steel pole with no helmet at 55mph on impact, but God spared me to wreak havoc for a few more years before I snapped out of it.
On a related note, what do you think about installing engine kill devices in all cars that would give the police the ability to simply shut off your engine remotely? I'm not sure which side of the argument I would be on really - but it seems like a good idea. |
I'd be worried about such a device malfunctioning while I'm driving to work.
Not to mention, as soon as something like that gets put in cars, someone else will have a hack ready that will bypass said device, basically rendering it useless. |
I would be more concerned by some bright (but misguided?) individual hacking the chip and standing on an overpass disabling cars at random. :O
Reminds me of the first radio-controlled braking system. Instead of break fluid and lines, the breaks were activated by transmitting a radio signal to them. It worked fine, everywhere except where the radio frequency happened to be the same as that used by the police. Every time an officer was in range and used their radio ... :)
David
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02/10/2006 02:16:39 AM · #34 |
Hereis some more accurate info on what i was talking about. Theses chaces are sometimes for things like speeding 15kph over the speed limit. Too many Aussies are stubborn and love their cars. |
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02/10/2006 04:56:29 AM · #35 |
Personally, I think cops should almost NEVER terminate a chase. I think no matter what the offense is they should grab the idiot and throw them in jail for as long as the law will allow. There is no reason to run from the cops.
I could never be a cop because I'd be beating the daylights out of almost every person that ever ran from me. |
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02/10/2006 07:31:02 AM · #36 |
Originally posted by mavrik:
In good news, he never felt that car run him over. |
And how do you know that that body that flung out of the SUV and was run over by oncoming traffic in the video was the driver and not some unlucky inocent who just happened to be in the vehicle? |
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02/10/2006 07:33:36 AM · #37 |
| It looked like two bodies to me. One got run over by the black SUV and the other was thrown in the wreckage of the maroon SUV. |
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02/10/2006 07:47:28 AM · #38 |
Originally posted by NathanW:
Personally, I think cops should almost NEVER terminate a chase. I think no matter what the offense is they should grab the idiot and throw them in jail for as long as the law will allow. There is no reason to run from the cops.
I could never be a cop because I'd be beating the daylights out of almost every person that ever ran from me. |
The trouble is that in chasing someone the police are pushing them to drive in exceedingly dangerous manners and that endangers every other innocent driver who happens to get in the way. Or to drive at excessive speeds down residential streets. There are a variety of methods of stopping them or following them that don't involve high speeds.
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02/10/2006 07:50:37 AM · #39 |
Originally posted by NathanW:
Personally, I think cops should almost NEVER terminate a chase. I think no matter what the offense is they should grab the idiot and throw them in jail for as long as the law will allow. There is no reason to run from the cops.
I could never be a cop because I'd be beating the daylights out of almost every person that ever ran from me. |
That was the way the police were setup in Italy in 1934. I heard it worked pretty well there in deterring crime.
Message edited by author 2006-02-10 07:51:18. |
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02/10/2006 07:58:59 AM · #40 |
| In Massachussetts police are intructed not to pursue at high rate of speed unless the person in the car is a known fellon. To many kids in there fathers cars have been killed by being pushed to fast by the law. Yes they may be breaking the law but a death sentence is a little harsh. |
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02/10/2006 08:02:19 AM · #41 |
Originally posted by jtf6agent:
Just so we are clear here on DPChallenge. If you ever have the chance to meet me on duty and I tell you to stop and put your hands up Please do it. I don't like shooting people it's messy and it really hurts. I would rather beat you with my Asp. So if I say STOP and put your hands up I wanna hear you say LIKE THIS as you are doing it. |
You should really watch what you say on a public forum. People do read this website and forum, and if you're ever involved in anything, joking or not, those statements could come back to haunt you.
I'm saying that for your own good, by the way, not trying to start a contraversy.
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02/10/2006 08:06:14 AM · #42 |
| I couldn't count the times I ran from the cops when I was a kid. On my dirt bike I'd hit the tracks, the woods or the back yards in a heartbeat and on my pick-up I had a switch to turn off the tail and brake lights. Peach and apple orchards were a sure path to safety. |
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02/10/2006 09:02:36 AM · #43 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
I'd be worried about such a device malfunctioning while I'm driving to work.
Not to mention, as soon as something like that gets put in cars, someone else will have a hack ready that will bypass said device, basically rendering it useless. |
Those are specifically the arguments I've heard, but there are already computer chips running cars vital systems that could fail and cause your car to malfunction - heck, I've been knocked out by an old-fashoined water pump failure among other things - this seems like an invalid fear.
As far as hacks - true - but that's not a reason NOT to do something. Not everyone will hack their car's system - in fact very few I would say. Not to mention that the majority of these car chases involve a stolen car, so it's not likely the auto-kill device would be disabled in the majority of these chases.
edit: typo |
True, computers are now critical components in cars, but none of them give control of your vehicle at a distance. The other computer systems in your car where a failure would result in an inoperative vehicle are also critical to the operation of your car (like the computer that controls the fuel injection system). These proposed remote shut down systems are not critical to driving.
Also, consider that you will be adding cost to every new vehicle while the percentage of vehicles used in these chases is extremely low, probably well below .01%.
As for disabling the device, I know I would, if for nothing else, to avoid the whackaloon sitting on the overpass disabling cars for kicks (as another poster pointed out).
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02/10/2006 09:21:02 AM · #44 |
I still like the idea of hitting the lights (or yelling Stop, Police!, if on foot) then firing 3 warning shots into their back. (wink)
I work ER and always get to see the end of things like this. "I wasn't doing anything wrong" "I am scared of cops." etc are usually the reason. Guy last night tazed a few times. Of course he was doing nothing wrong. Just drunk and walking down the middle of the interstate in a snowstorm. Not really illegal, but was after he ran and fought and punched a cop. SHEESH!!
Message edited by author 2006-02-10 09:21:44.
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02/10/2006 10:13:41 AM · #45 |
Originally posted by dacrazyrn:
... "I am scared of cops." ... |
Where I grew up you needed to be afraid of the cops. |
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02/10/2006 10:29:56 AM · #46 |
can't believe no one has said anything about the retaining wall ...
... not even a scratch on it ... those things are stronger than they look |
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02/10/2006 11:09:04 AM · #47 |
Originally posted by hopper:
can't believe no one has said anything about the retaining wall ...
... not even a scratch on it ... those things are stronger than they look |
I think the retaining wall was the least of their worries. The driver was out of the vehicle and in the air before the SUV hit the wall. It looks like the passenger, if thats what that was, came out just as the SUV hit the wall. There is too much dust to see if that person went under the vehicle or was hit by oncoming traffic. |
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02/10/2006 11:55:54 AM · #48 |
Agree - SO WHAT. Fine, the guy is most likely dead - luckily only him. What did he do to be chased by the cops? Crime in South Africa are very bad. Had a incident in my town a while back where an engaged couple and the guys brother came home one afternoon after shopping.
They went into the house with their bags of shopping, 3 men walked in, held them at gunpoint. Told the two brothers to stay in the living room while they take the woman to the room (can imagine for what). The fiance jumped up to help the woman - he was shot dead. His brother gets up to help - he was shot and died in hospital. The killers just carried on, raped the woman, took what they wanted and walked out - They are still not caught.
Would've loved to see them being run down like this - I would do it myself (And I will take photos - being an amateur photographer...)
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02/10/2006 12:06:09 PM · #49 |
Originally posted by marcellieb:
Agree - SO WHAT. Fine, the guy is most likely dead - luckily only him. What did he do to be chased by the cops? |
Good question. It could have been something as simple as running a red stop sign or having a tail light out. |
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02/10/2006 12:12:05 PM · #50 |
Originally posted by nsbca7:
Originally posted by marcellieb:
Agree - SO WHAT. Fine, the guy is most likely dead - luckily only him. What did he do to be chased by the cops? |
Good question. It could have been something as simple as running a red stop sign or having a tail light out. |
True, but not likely - If this happened in SA - it would definately be a robbery or something. Did you know that in Africa - You will get more years in jail for killing a Rhino than if you killed a human. Scary isn't it. In the small town I live in - we have an average of 3 hijackings per day. I got hijacked once and had two attempted hijackings 3 times in one week. My house was cleaned out 3 times in 2 years. My car was broken into 5 times in 2 years. I ENJOY WHEN I SEE CRIMINALS GETTING INTO THE DEEP END.
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