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02/06/2006 07:52:32 PM · #51 |
I'd definitely say that a Bengal's fan is biased! Officiating did not change the outcome of the game!
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02/06/2006 07:52:34 PM · #52 |
Originally posted by jbsmithana:
Hey, relax guys. I was only trying to take a controversial issue and have it looked at from a non-biased perspective, which we are not.
The NFL has a problem. Officating has gotten horrible. Every team, at one time or another, including yours, has gotten crapped on by the outright horrible calls all season. It especially should not happen at the Superbowl where we are suposed to see the best refs. Unless they fix it football will become more of a joke each year. Less and less outcomes will be decided by who is the best team as more and more are decdied by which team gets the shaft that particular Sunday.
Just an opinon. If you wnat to take it as whining fine, but overall the game sucked and the NFL is going to lose more and more market share. |
Agreed. |
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02/06/2006 07:53:18 PM · #53 |
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02/06/2006 07:54:47 PM · #54 |
Originally posted by BADDBOYY21:
I'd definitely say that a Bengal's fan is biased! Officiating did not change the outcome of the game! |
Officiating does change the outcome of a game! Seattle could have had one more touchdown than they had, and Pittsburgh could have had less. Also, there were a few big plays that Seattle COULD have had if the proper call was made. |
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02/06/2006 07:58:59 PM · #55 |
Just like the Hasselbeck fumble...Steelers could have had that too. There is always next year!
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02/06/2006 08:42:25 PM · #56 |
Originally posted by BADDBOYY21:
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
For real football you need the CFL anyway. ;oP |
Now that was a good one...! |
Don't knock it if you haven't tried it. We have. It's cool. The talent level may not be quite as high as the NFL but the game is it's equal or better. Baltimore Stallions were Grey Cup runners-up in 1994 and winners in 1995.
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02/06/2006 08:46:41 PM · #57 |
Originally posted by BADDBOYY21:
I'd definitely say that a Bengal's fan is biased! Officiating did not change the outcome of the game! |
The officiating in the game was awful. I like to see a fair game where the outcome hinges on the talents of the players, not poor calls by the officials. |
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02/06/2006 08:50:48 PM · #58 |
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02/06/2006 08:51:25 PM · #59 |
Originally posted by digitalpins:
... I thought the half time show sucked tough |
I thought the halftime show was one of the best in recent memory. The music doesn't come across as good as if you were there in person, or as if you were listening to one of their albums on a good sound system. But at least the Rolling Stones are the real deal. Sometimes they have bands that maybe have one hot hit but are forgotten by the time the next Super Bowl comes around. Think anybody will be listening to Janet Jackson or Justin Timberlake 40 years from now?
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02/06/2006 09:09:32 PM · #60 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
Originally posted by digitalpins:
... I thought the half time show sucked tough |
I thought the halftime show was one of the best in recent memory. The music doesn't come across as good as if you were there in person, or as if you were listening to one of their albums on a good sound system. But at least the Rolling Stones are the real deal. Sometimes they have bands that maybe have one hot hit but are forgotten by the time the next Super Bowl comes around. Think anybody will be listening to Janet Jackson or Justin Timberlake 40 years from now? |
Since the Superbowl was in Motown, why not have Motown music at the half? Why have a Jurassic Rock act like the Stones? I mean they were good in their day, but not now. At least they didn't have any "wardrobe malfunctions". |
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02/06/2006 09:15:09 PM · #61 |
Originally posted by deapee:
The only call they mentioned in that article is the tackling "low block" call -- that was a bad call...everything else is BS...
The pass interference -- I don't care where you're from or what team you root for -- that was pass interference.
The Roethlisberger touchdown -- It was ruled a TD on the field -- in order to overturn, there needs to be IRREFUTABLE (spelling?) evidence. there was not, the call HAD to stand.
The 'phantom' holding -- he was holding ALL GAME -- they were lucky to only be called once or twice -- I was screaming at the refs the whole drive, we were being held and held and held.
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Just accept it -- both teams choked -- the Steelers managed to take the right opportunities and put points on the board.
The only thing that was good in the game was the Steeler's defense...they won the game. |
I agree. Lineman hold all the time and only occassionallly get called on it. At least the refs didn't make up rules like in the earlier steeler game where the commissioner apologized the next day for the bad call (we should have had an interception in that game)
Something should be done - there is enough money in the NFL to make teh refs full time employees maybe, or at least buy them some glasses ;)
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02/06/2006 09:25:29 PM · #62 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Since the Superbowl was in Motown, why not have Motown music at the half? Why have a Jurassic Rock act like the Stones? I mean they were good in their day, but not now. ... |
Motown would have been appropriate but I gotta take issue with your remark about the Stones. I think they are just as good now as they ever were. They are still selling albums and filling concerts venues with the best of them. I like the Motown sound but what peformers of that genre are doing it today on a par with the Stones? BTW, I saw a concert that featured Stevie Wonder, who played before the game, in 1976. He was the opening act for ... The Rolling Stones at RFK 7/4/76.
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02/06/2006 09:42:56 PM · #63 |
First off, I hate both the Seahawks and the Steelers, so if you think I am whining, well you can suck it. I'm a hardcore Eagles fan, as well as a hardcore football fan, so these are my views on the game.
The O-Pass interference was a horrible call. He hardly laid a hand on the defender.
Ben Rothhoweveryouspellhisname ran the ball in... And the line judge after running halfway in to spot the ball THEN DECIDED it was a touchdown. If you watch as he ran out, he only had ONE HAND UP, indicating no touchdown, then changed his call.
The holding call should never have been called that play, yes maybe he was holding but all linemen do it, its just a matter of getting caught. He obviously didnt have hold of any part of the player but was using his arms to try and maintain the inside.
The last call again hassleback was just horrid. Now all of a sudden it is illegal to tackle players below the knees? That's ridiculous. That was by far the worst call all game.
Both teams played pretty shitty. Pittsburgh was lucky that Seattle couldnt capitalize in the first half, because Pittsburgh had zero offense.
Stevens had a horrible game, and was lucky to catch that touchdown (yeah he almost dropped that too) Like porter said, he is over rated by a ton.
Alexander wasnt much of a threat this game either...
The 2:00 minute drill... oh the horror that I saw... It was like watching the eagles run their 2:00 offense. In fact, im confident that Mike Holmgren rubbed a little TOO much off on Andy Reid in the fact that 1. They look alike 2. They both hold those damn cards over their face 3. They both suck at 2 minute drills 4. They both run the West Coast Offense. Thanks a lot Mr. Holmgren...
That's all I have to say about that...
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02/06/2006 09:47:41 PM · #64 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
I think they (stones) are just as good now as they ever were. |
Obviously, I would disagree. Don't get me wrong, I love their earlier music, but I think their new stuff is just so-so. |
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02/06/2006 09:50:26 PM · #65 |
Originally posted by jmlelii:
First off, I hate both the Seahawks and the Steelers, so if you think I am whining, well you can suck it. I'm a hardcore Eagles fan, as well as a hardcore football fan, so these are my views on the game.
The O-Pass interference was a horrible call. He hardly laid a hand on the defender.
Ben Rothhoweveryouspellhisname ran the ball in... And the line judge after running halfway in to spot the ball THEN DECIDED it was a touchdown. If you watch as he ran out, he only had ONE HAND UP, indicating no touchdown, then changed his call.
The holding call should never have been called that play, yes maybe he was holding but all linemen do it, its just a matter of getting caught. He obviously didnt have hold of any part of the player but was using his arms to try and maintain the inside.
The last call again hassleback was just horrid. Now all of a sudden it is illegal to tackle players below the knees? That's ridiculous. That was by far the worst call all game.
Both teams played pretty shitty. Pittsburgh was lucky that Seattle couldnt capitalize in the first half, because Pittsburgh had zero offense.
Stevens had a horrible game, and was lucky to catch that touchdown (yeah he almost dropped that too) Like porter said, he is over rated by a ton.
Alexander wasnt much of a threat this game either...
The 2:00 minute drill... oh the horror that I saw... It was like watching the eagles run their 2:00 offense. In fact, im confident that Mike Holmgren rubbed a little TOO much off on Andy Reid in the fact that 1. They look alike 2. They both hold those damn cards over their face 3. They both suck at 2 minute drills 4. They both run the West Coast Offense. Thanks a lot Mr. Holmgren...
That's all I have to say about that... |
I guess we should just throw out the rule book! The interference call was right...he impeded the defenses ability to make a play.
The Hasselbeck call was right...he wasnt even close to tackling the person with the ball.
Well since all linemen break the rule of holding...we might as well throw out that rule too!
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02/06/2006 09:57:08 PM · #66 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by coolhar:
I think they (stones) are just as good now as they ever were. |
Obviously, I would disagree. Don't get me wrong, I love their earlier music, but I think their new stuff is just so-so. |
I agree Dan, the halftime show was weak, even their old stuff was off. I was expecting more and found it disappointing.
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02/06/2006 10:17:18 PM · #67 |
Not that it matters, but here's how I saw the controversial calls:
Ben's TD: legit - if so much as a millimeter of that football crosses a millimeter of that line, its a score. I think he got that with forward progress.
Pass interference call: if you obey the letter of the law, it's the right call BUT in no way did that 'pushing off' affect the play - the CB wouldn't have stopped the WR anyway.
Holding call, the "illegal" block: not sure what the ref was watching
Hasselback (sp?)'s non-fumble: called correctly - he was definitely touched
I think that was all of them. Unfortunately, the officiating was poor. Do I think the Steelers deserved to win? Definitely. Did they outplay the Seahawks? Not in my opinion. I'm thrilled they won though.
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02/06/2006 10:26:41 PM · #68 |
Originally posted by Maverick:
Not that it matters, but here's how I saw the controversial calls:
Ben's TD: legit - if so much as a millimeter of that football crosses a millimeter of that line, its a score. I think he got that with forward progress.
Pass interference call: if you obey the letter of the law, it's the right call BUT in no way did that 'pushing off' affect the play - the CB wouldn't have stopped the WR anyway.
Holding call, the "illegal" block: not sure what the ref was watching
Hasselback (sp?)'s non-fumble: called correctly - he was definitely touched
I think that was all of them. Unfortunately, the officiating was poor. Do I think the Steelers deserved to win? Definitely. Did they outplay the Seahawks? Not in my opinion. I'm thrilled they won though. |
The illegal block...the ref was watching hasselbeck take out the lead blocker by diving in front of him...which is in fact illegal. It was plain as day.
The pushing off clearly impeded his ability to make a play..it practically stopped him in his tracks.
Why dont we also debate all the ball spots...since we are monday morning QB'ing all the refs calls.
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02/07/2006 12:50:38 AM · #69 |
Originally posted by BADDBOYY21:
Originally posted by Maverick:
Not that it matters, but here's how I saw the controversial calls:
Ben's TD: legit - if so much as a millimeter of that football crosses a millimeter of that line, its a score. I think he got that with forward progress.
Pass interference call: if you obey the letter of the law, it's the right call BUT in no way did that 'pushing off' affect the play - the CB wouldn't have stopped the WR anyway.
Holding call, the "illegal" block: not sure what the ref was watching
Hasselback (sp?)'s non-fumble: called correctly - he was definitely touched
I think that was all of them. Unfortunately, the officiating was poor. Do I think the Steelers deserved to win? Definitely. Did they outplay the Seahawks? Not in my opinion. I'm thrilled they won though. |
The illegal block...the ref was watching hasselbeck take out the lead blocker by diving in front of him...which is in fact illegal. It was plain as day.
The pushing off clearly impeded his ability to make a play..it practically stopped him in his tracks.
Why dont we also debate all the ball spots...since we are monday morning QB'ing all the refs calls. |
Stopped him in his tracks? Are you kidding me? He barely put his hand on him, if you were watching the game you'd have seen that. You know what stopped him in his tracks? The fact that Hassleback was runnin towards the scrimmage line.
And as far as an illegal block, tell me why would the quarterback of all people, try to tackle the guy without the ball? cmon now.
Oh yeah, the halftime show was horrible too. No one wants to see a 60 year old man running around in tight leather pants and a belly shirt on, dude needs to get with the times. Their music isnt all that great in the first place, new or old.
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02/07/2006 12:59:20 AM · #70 |
Originally posted by jmlelii:
Originally posted by BADDBOYY21:
Originally posted by Maverick:
Not that it matters, but here's how I saw the controversial calls:
Ben's TD: legit - if so much as a millimeter of that football crosses a millimeter of that line, its a score. I think he got that with forward progress.
Pass interference call: if you obey the letter of the law, it's the right call BUT in no way did that 'pushing off' affect the play - the CB wouldn't have stopped the WR anyway.
Holding call, the "illegal" block: not sure what the ref was watching
Hasselback (sp?)'s non-fumble: called correctly - he was definitely touched
I think that was all of them. Unfortunately, the officiating was poor. Do I think the Steelers deserved to win? Definitely. Did they outplay the Seahawks? Not in my opinion. I'm thrilled they won though. |
The illegal block...the ref was watching hasselbeck take out the lead blocker by diving in front of him...which is in fact illegal. It was plain as day.
The pushing off clearly impeded his ability to make a play..it practically stopped him in his tracks.
Why dont we also debate all the ball spots...since we are monday morning QB'ing all the refs calls. |
Stopped him in his tracks? Are you kidding me? He barely put his hand on him, if you were watching the game you'd have seen that. You know what stopped him in his tracks? The fact that Hassleback was runnin towards the scrimmage line.
And as far as an illegal block, tell me why would the quarterback of all people, try to tackle the guy without the ball? cmon now.
Oh yeah, the halftime show was horrible too. No one wants to see a 60 year old man running around in tight leather pants and a belly shirt on, dude needs to get with the times. Their music isnt all that great in the first place, new or old. |
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Who cares anymore...Steelers won...lets start debating free agency.
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02/07/2006 01:54:36 AM · #71 |
If you saw the game well called you sawa dirrerent game than I did.
How about the pass that the Seahawks tight end caught, took two steps, and had the ball knocked loose. It was a clear reception, but called a non catch. Bad call.
The interference that invalidated the touchdown was BS, the basline for interferance is enough force to influence the body mass, reaching out and hand checking is normal play, besides the db initiated the contact. Bad call.
Second Seattle TD, that was ruled out of bounds hasn't been mentioned. It looked to me as if the db "influenced" him more than a bit with the hand in the back as he was pulling in the ball. They didn't show the view from the side line, but it looked dicey.
Upshot is a badly called game, called by guys who did their best but failed to get the calls right. Baseball, basketball, hockey, and soccer all have full time professional refs. It might be time for football to splurge and hire some pros.
P.S. I'm glad for Cower, a class act who deserves the ring, and yes I think the Steelers were the better team, I gave the pitifull four points that Pittsburg were favored by, and parlayed it into the under, cause neither team are exactly offensive jugernauts on the best of days. The refs probalbly didn't change the outcome, but they made it less fun to watch. |
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02/07/2006 02:17:27 AM · #72 |
| The MVP for the Steelers should have been the Refs. Not Hines Ward. |
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02/07/2006 08:04:19 AM · #73 |
Oh my goodness, almost makes me sick with how big of whiners all you Seattle / non-Steeler fans are.
SUCK IT UP FOR GOD'S SAKE!!!!!!!!
Quit crying. Heck, at least if Pittsburgh did lose, we wouldn't be crying -- a good team will overcome any obstacle that is thrown their way. Seattle wasn't able to in the superbowl, and the better team won and that's all there is to it.
Goodness gracious get over it!!!!
You can lock this thread or move it to rant or delete it -- man I'm sick of the crying.
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02/07/2006 10:00:22 AM · #74 |
Hey, it is not just Seahawks fans. Did you happen to notice the ESPN poll? They called something like 50,000 people accross the country. Just under 50% gave the officials an "F" on their performance during the game. 78% said the officails influenced the outcome of the game in a negative way. Check numorous sports headlines accross the nation (outside of Pitts) and you will see that there is an outcry.
78%!!!!! In a day and age of a split population that can't agree on anything and where 52% is cosidered a landslide 78% is monumental.
Time for pro officials in the NFL.
I can understand the Steeler fans being happy they won. I can't undersatnd them being proud of how it happened.
Message edited by author 2006-02-07 10:01:00. |
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02/07/2006 10:16:55 AM · #75 |
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