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02/04/2006 01:48:10 AM · #1 |
i can't wait to see this abstract challenge. there are few people that seem to appreciate digital art and abstract images in this community. i wonder if only few will be able to create them well. probably. i often get many comments saying "i can't tell what it is" or "what am i looking at?" when i try artsy shots during challenges. never mind that these comments don't help, but maybe try looking a little deeper.
maybe your not supposed to be able to tell what it is.
sometimes what you don't see, is what you are looking at. nothing. |
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02/04/2006 01:54:22 AM · #2 |
Originally posted by deepfrog17:
maybe your not supposed to be able to tell what it is. |
From the challenge description:
"If it is recognizable as an object - it is not an abstract."
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02/04/2006 02:07:15 AM · #3 |
I got a bad feeling about this one; all together now, let's try defining "object" and "recognizable as"... For example, imagine a closeup shot of the edge of a geothermal pool, whit its outrageous colors and patterns.
Now, this is clearly an object, right? I mean, ANYTHING we shoot is an object, or how can we shoot it? Except pure light, of course, that's not an object I don't suppose... So does this challenge mean "If it is recognizable as a specific/paricular object it is not an abstract"? That makes more sense, but even so... YOU might be able to recognize a geothermal pool, but Joe and Jen might not.
I am imagining hordes of voters running around saying "Hah! That's a dingleberry! DNMTC!" I have no idea what to expect...
Maybe I think too much...
R.
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02/04/2006 02:10:28 AM · #4 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
I got a bad feeling about this one; all together now, let's try defining "object" and "recognizable as"... For example, imagine a closeup shot of the edge of a geothermal pool, whit its outrageous colors and patterns.
Now, this is clearly an object, right? I mean, ANYTHING we shoot is an object, or how can we shoot it? Except pure light, of course, that's not an object I don't suppose... So does this challenge mean "If it is recognizable as a specific/paricular object it is not an abstract"? That makes more sense, but even so... YOU might be able to recognize a geothermal pool, but Joe and Jen might not.
I am imagining hordes of voters running around saying "Hah! That's a dingleberry! DNMTC!" I have no idea what to expect...
Maybe I think too much...
R. |
Even if it's recognizable, I think you'll be ok. A few 2's from the DNMTC Nazi's won't bring you down too much.
I've been wondering the same thing though. I have a really cool image that I want to submit but it's clearly recognizable.
Message edited by author 2006-02-04 02:13:04.
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02/04/2006 06:35:42 AM · #5 |
| me 2...uneasy! What if I create/make something abstract using many recognisable objects, rearranged and placed as an abstract form of art? |
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02/04/2006 01:34:39 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
I am imagining hordes of voters running around saying "Hah! That's a dingleberry! DNMTC!" I have no idea what to expect...
R. |
Dingleberry! Man, now you gave away my idea.
I think what's sort of funny is that by using that definition of abstract now everybody is going to try really hard to actually identify objects in the entries. Sort of like, OK, so it's not supposed to be recognizeable, let's see how many I can recognize. Weird.
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02/04/2006 01:43:34 PM · #7 |
| cannot abstract just be a part of a larger object.....say the fine lines and color of a fender as a poster.. Abstract..from the whole ??? |
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02/04/2006 01:49:39 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by ursula:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
I am imagining hordes of voters running around saying "Hah! That's a dingleberry! DNMTC!" I have no idea what to expect...
R. |
Dingleberry! Man, now you gave away my idea.
I think what's sort of funny is that by using that definition of abstract now everybody is going to try really hard to actually identify objects in the entries. Sort of like, OK, so it's not supposed to be recognizeable, let's see how many I can recognize. Weird. |
That happened in a previous abstract challenge. Comments even stating that images were no longer abstract since the viewer figured out what it was were made as well. Interesting. |
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02/04/2006 01:51:20 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by holdingtime:
cannot abstract just be a part of a larger object.....say the fine lines and color of a fender as a poster.. Abstract..from the whole ??? |
Sure, that would be perfectly acceptable.
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02/04/2006 01:53:02 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Originally posted by ursula:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
I am imagining hordes of voters running around saying "Hah! That's a dingleberry! DNMTC!" I have no idea what to expect...
R. |
Dingleberry! Man, now you gave away my idea.
I think what's sort of funny is that by using that definition of abstract now everybody is going to try really hard to actually identify objects in the entries. Sort of like, OK, so it's not supposed to be recognizeable, let's see how many I can recognize. Weird. |
That happened in a previous abstract challenge. Comments even stating that images were no longer abstract since the viewer figured out what it was were made as well. Interesting. |
Which makes me want to make an image where the object is still identifyable, but just so, and see how many people recognize it. :)
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02/04/2006 01:55:27 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by ursula:
Which makes me want to make an image where the object is still identifyable, but just so, and see how many people recognize it. :) |
The unfortunate consequence is that people who were saying they were no longer abstract were also marking the images down for DNMC. |
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02/04/2006 01:56:28 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Originally posted by ursula:
Which makes me want to make an image where the object is still identifyable, but just so, and see how many people recognize it. :) |
The unfortunate consequence is that people who were saying they were no longer abstract were also marking the images down for DNMC. |
True. But sometimes I don't care. And I think that overall abstract would be a low scoreing challenge.
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02/04/2006 01:58:20 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by ursula:
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Originally posted by ursula:
Which makes me want to make an image where the object is still identifyable, but just so, and see how many people recognize it. :) |
The unfortunate consequence is that people who were saying they were no longer abstract were also marking the images down for DNMC. |
True. But sometimes I don't care. And I think that overall abstract would be a low scoreing challenge. |
It could be a high comment challenge if we ask the voters to state what they think it is. |
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02/04/2006 01:59:45 PM · #14 |
The sweet, to me, is precisely in the balance between the foreign and the familiar. Right there... paradise!
To hell with the Nazis!
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02/04/2006 03:48:40 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by deepfrog17:
i often get many comments saying "i can't tell what it is" or "what am i looking at?" when i try artsy shots during challenges. never mind that these comments don't help, but maybe try looking a little deeper.
maybe your not supposed to be able to tell what it is.
sometimes what you don't see, is what you are looking at. nothing. |
Yeah, as an abstract, you are supposed to just see what you are supposed to see, the art of it. The pureity of the submission.
But, within the other challenges, abstracts don't do well because of many reasons, but mainly because they DNMC.
So, in this case, untie the imagination and create. Don't submit a wide shot of a rock, or a bunch of flowers because that is not an abstract.
Many people vote with their emotion, and not within the confines of the challenges. And that can be an oxymoron since emotion is part of what we strive for as an artist, (story is the other part).
But, since these challenges do have rules, we as artists must take a second look at our art before submitting to make sure the three roads (emotion, story, and rules) merge into perfect harmony. Otherwise, low voting scores will be abundant.
JMHO.
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02/04/2006 05:02:01 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by zeuszen:
The sweet, to me, is precisely in the balance between the foreign and the familiar. Right there... paradise!
To hell with the Nazis! |
Yeah!!!! :)
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02/04/2006 08:02:06 PM · #17 |
The Challenge details are keeping me far away from this one even though I had a few ideas that I liked. They won't fly under that description...plain and simple.
The Nazis always win this war when it comes to me....I choose not to fight.
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02/04/2006 08:09:18 PM · #18 |
| Pawdrix,neither will I fight... let the DNMC and others have a ball;-)I will watch from the sideline. |
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02/04/2006 08:22:40 PM · #19 |
Don't worry, brother Paw and brother Gibbon, I, the bear, will lead the charge. (he said with a whumper as he set forth)
R.
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02/04/2006 08:58:17 PM · #20 |
bear do you need support, surely I can not see my brother go out there alone..
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02/04/2006 09:11:17 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by gibun:
bear do you need support, surely I can not see my brother go out there alone.. |
Then abstract yourself from this discussion and give it your best shot...
R.
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02/04/2006 09:21:11 PM · #22 |
I, gibbun, abstract myself from abstact discussions on the abstract topic of the challenge called 'Abstract". I will undertake the impossible, I will think and be and participate in an abstact way, giving it my best shot. And if I see one DNMC I will be crazy in the abstact sense of the word.
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02/04/2006 09:26:39 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by gibun:
And if I see one DNMC I will be crazy in the abstact sense of the word.
P |
DNMT.
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02/04/2006 09:28:00 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by gibun:
I, gibbun, abstract myself from abstact discussions on the abstract topic of the challenge called 'Abstract". I will undertake the impossible, I will think and be and participate in an abstact way, giving it my best shot. And if I see one DNMC I will be crazy in the abstact sense of the word.
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I like the abstact DNMC :)
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02/04/2006 11:31:21 PM · #25 |
i looked through the abstract gallery and based mine off one of those (kinda)...i usually dont enter on this site because the talent is so good that i dont want to enter crap but i think this one is pretty good! hoping for a 6 or above.
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