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02/01/2006 05:13:00 PM · #26 |
Here are the facts...
1-The average voter gets low scores and because of that then doles out even lower scores themselves and finally wonder out loud why they themselves do not get higher scores. Duh!
2-Unable to rectify that situation mythical characters are invented who are responsible for low scores even though there is no credible evidence to support the outragious claim.
3-Then people go on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on about solutions as to what should be done about this terrible problem as if it actually existed.
4-In the most extreame cases they can come up with, even if you threw out every low score (which does not even make logical sense) and recalculate a "victim's" score it would have little, if any, effect on their final rating and placing in MOST cases.
5-So, does this problem really exist? Where is the evidence? Lets us see the proof. A standard deviation of 1 on even a few challenges that proves an overabundance of scores at the 1 and 2 levels would suffice. That is not asking for much, is it?
But you know what? Evidence and logic does not mean anything to some people. They will invent reasons to think as they want no matter what, just like people that believe in the hollow earth theory.
If you want to know who the trolls are, look in the mirror.
Welllll... except me, of course... I don't have to look in the mirror... I'm not one of them! LOL!
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02/01/2006 05:59:29 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
Simple Solutions
On everyone's profile is listed the average vote cast. How about above or below that the actual votes given:
We'd know the trolls, and they'd have an incentive to shape up.
Alternately, and this might be harder to do, but when you click on an image, have anotehr button that documents the vote to the voter - you vote, that vote is recorded and kept in the database - no more anonymity is the downside, but other sites do it. |
Doesn't the site already keep each vote by voter?
How about showing the "deviation" of each voter for each challenge? (I mean the mathematical deviation, not the other kind :-) Or even a positive and negative deviation? You'd calculate it for each entry by subtracting the vote given by the final score, changeing negative numbers to positive, and averaging the results. (or keep two averages, one of positive numbers, the other of negative numbers.)
So if there were 5 photos voted on (lets keep the example simple, you'd see
photo ... vote ... score ... deviation
1 ... 9 ... 8.5 ... 0.5
2 ... 8 ... 7.0 ... 1.0
3 ... 7 ... 6.5 ... 0.5
4 ... 6 ... 6.0 ... 0.0
5 ... 3 ... 6.0 ... -3.0
So the deviation would be 5/5, or 1.0.
If you looked at positive and negative deviation, the numbers would be: positive devaiation 2/3, or 0.6 and the negative deviation would be 3/1, or 3 (ignore 0, its not likely that a photo gets an exact integer score).
This would show a person who votes opposite to what most vote (which may indicate troll voting or may indicate a difference in taste.)
Message edited by author 2006-02-01 18:02:21. |
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02/01/2006 06:24:26 PM · #28 |
I've heard of the trolls ever since I joined (nearly two years ago) but I still don't believe in them.
Is there any REAL evidence or am I just not cynical enough?
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02/01/2006 09:09:27 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by stdavidson:
Here are the facts... |
Thank you! Let logic prevail, people!
While it's fun during a challenge to imagine that ugly non-humans are responsible for your low score for some devious plan (and, granted, there are one or two images each challenge that have their own beauty but simply don't fit the site well), let's face facts. The low voters tend to be consistent, few, and simply don't affect the outcome.
When I score low (as I tend to do), it is not some mythical creature's fault. It's .... mine! |
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02/02/2006 09:17:39 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by stdavidson:
Here are the facts...
1-The average voter gets low scores and because of that then doles out even lower scores themselves ... |
This is the only part of your post I disagree with -- it assumes ill-will on the part of the voters. Distributions are not exact models, they are approximations, and any approximations have circumstances they just don't cover. In this case, there are some votes that fall outside the standard distribution -- outliers I believe is what they are called. No ill-will needed, just personal opinion.
Originally posted by hankk:
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
Simple Solutions
On everyone's profile is listed the average vote cast. How about above or below that the actual votes given:
We'd know the trolls, and they'd have an incentive to shape up.
Alternately, and this might be harder to do, but when you click on an image, have anotehr button that documents the vote to the voter - you vote, that vote is recorded and kept in the database - no more anonymity is the downside, but other sites do it. |
Doesn't the site already keep each vote by voter?
How about showing the "deviation" of each voter for each challenge? (I mean the mathematical deviation, not the other kind :-) Or even a positive and negative deviation? You'd calculate it for each entry by subtracting the vote given by the final score, changeing negative numbers to positive, and averaging the results. (or keep two averages, one of positive numbers, the other of negative numbers.)
So if there were 5 photos voted on (lets keep the example simple, you'd see
photo ... vote ... score ... deviation
1 ... 9 ... 8.5 ... 0.5
2 ... 8 ... 7.0 ... 1.0
3 ... 7 ... 6.5 ... 0.5
4 ... 6 ... 6.0 ... 0.0
5 ... 3 ... 6.0 ... -3.0
So the deviation would be 5/5, or 1.0.
If you looked at positive and negative deviation, the numbers would be: positive devaiation 2/3, or 0.6 and the negative deviation would be 3/1, or 3 (ignore 0, its not likely that a photo gets an exact integer score).
This would show a person who votes opposite to what most vote (which may indicate troll voting or may indicate a difference in taste.) |
I like Prof_Fate's suggestions, and I like this one -- but I like patterns and statistics. But if we were to do this, it would not be much of a jump to implement a Karma system that takes care of any effect of the few outliers that do exist (both high and low).
David
Message edited by author 2006-02-02 21:18:49.
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