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01/30/2006 02:24:28 PM · #51 |
Originally posted by queanbeez:
ok this might sound strange (considering i would keep the item) but if i found a wallet i would turn it in with all the money, because that seems more personal. |
When I was 15 years old I found a wallet on the ground. I looked up the guys info and went to his house to return it. The man was very grateful and offered me a reward. I noticed he happened to be the owner of a large contracting company for drywall construction. I asked if instead of a reward he would give me a job. I worked two summers for them.
I now have a 5 year old son who will have to make choices about honesty and integrity. I want him to do the right thing. Lead by example.
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01/30/2006 02:24:49 PM · #52 |
Selective stealing is still stealing. You are fooling yourself if you think it is OK to keep it if the mistake was made by Wal-Mart. In my book, any way you look at it, you are a thief.
--jrjr |
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01/30/2006 02:25:48 PM · #53 |
that happened to me once at a huge store similar to walmart some shopping karts have a rack at the bottom, so I put a dvd player box at the bottom of the cart and completly forgot about it. Cashier did not notice, either got to the car put it in the trunk then got home an realized hey I did not get charged for it, took it back and paid for it, the cashier was so happy and thankful and the manager gave me some discounts for a future visit to the store.
figure that I should go ahead and pay for it, cause if I was the cashier I would not want to get in trouble or the manager noticing that a dvd player is missing and since I shop their all the time I went ahead and paid for it. It would have sucked if I did not pay for it and it breaks or does not work then I have no proof of purchase..
Message edited by author 2006-01-30 14:28:30.
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01/30/2006 02:32:14 PM · #54 |
Just another side to this issue, if you didn't realize the mistake immediately would you take it back? For example if you had been using it for lets say 3 months then realized would you still take it back? or what about 12 months?
I know that I would find it easy to return it straight away but if I had been using it for a few weeks would probably change my view slightly and the longer the time the harder it would become to return.
Anyone else?
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01/30/2006 02:32:17 PM · #55 |
Originally posted by barndog:
I once ordered an item through an on-line shop, major retailer. When I got the package delivered it was something else, although very nice and double the value.
The original item was $200.00
The shipped item was $400.00
I called and told them what had happened. The sales lady asked if I was interested in keeping the $400.00 item. I said I was. She said Merry Christmas. |
That same kinda thing happened to me when I bought my latest copy of Adobe Creative Suite CS.
I went to Staples..(the only place in my town that carries this software) and they had the software for $989. I really didn't have the cash to pay for the whole thing. I really needed the suite becaseu I use Photoshop and Illustrator a lot but...I only had about $600 saved for software.
I decided..I needed it and broke open the wallet with the dreaded credit card :-(
When I go to the counter and they rang it up the cashier turned to me and said....$4.87....Thats right...Four dollars and eighty seven cents!
I thought for a nano-second...my conscience quivered and I said to her..meekly.."Miss, you must be mistaken..this software is very expensive and there is no way it could cost under $5.00" She looked at me and said something about maybe it was on sale :-D
I repeated.."No, it would not be under $5.00 on any sale".
She then went into the office, brought out the manager, the manager rang it up..looked at me and said.."That will be $4.87!". I explained this again to her and she just replied "I don't key the prices here..that is done at HQ..what it says here is what it costs"
I told my wife and she still can't believe it. I figured...I was up against a deadline and maybe all those years of good Karma came back on me.
Anywho....beyond $1,000 I can't tell where my honesty limit is....I can't even say if I was honest enough that day..Maybe I should have returned the Photoshop Software to the counter and came back another day but I needed it right then...no way out...had to have it for a job. Why else go to staples and pay the mark up over the net?
Who knows :-/ |
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01/30/2006 02:34:35 PM · #56 |
Originally posted by jrjr:
Selective stealing is still stealing. You are fooling yourself if you think it is OK to keep it if the mistake was made by Wal-Mart. In my book, any way you look at it, you are a thief.
--jrjr |
Actually she never stole it. They made a mistake. It's totally different.
Stealing is the intent of taking an item without paying for it. She totally intended to pay for it.
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01/30/2006 02:36:29 PM · #57 |
Originally posted by hokie:
Originally posted by barndog:
I once ordered an item through an on-line shop, major retailer. When I got the package delivered it was something else, although very nice and double the value.
The original item was $200.00
The shipped item was $400.00
I called and told them what had happened. The sales lady asked if I was interested in keeping the $400.00 item. I said I was. She said Merry Christmas. |
That same kinda thing happened to me when I bought my latest copy of Adobe Creative Suite CS.
I went to Staples..(the only place in my town that carries this software) and they had the software for $989. I really didn't have the cash to pay for the whole thing. I really needed the suite becaseu I use Photoshop and Illustrator a lot but...I only had about $600 saved for software.
I decided..I needed it and broke open the wallet with the dreaded credit card :-(
When I go to the counter and they rang it up the cashier turned to me and said....$4.87....Thats right...Four dollars and eighty seven cents!
I thought for a nano-second...my conscience quivered and I said to her..meekly.."Miss, you must be mistaken..this software is very expensive and there is no way it could cost under $5.00" She looked at me and said something about maybe it was on sale :-D
I repeated.."No, it would not be under $5.00 on any sale".
She then went into the office, brought out the manager, the manager rang it up..looked at me and said.."That will be $4.87!". I explained this again to her and she just replied "I don't key the prices here..that is done at HQ..what it says here is what it costs"
I told my wife and she still can't believe it. I figured...I was up against a deadline and maybe all those years of good Karma came back on me.
Anywho....beyond $1,000 I can't tell where my honesty limit is....I can't even say if I was honest enough that day..Maybe I should have returned the Photoshop Software to the counter and came back another day but I needed it right then...no way out...had to have it for a job. Why else go to staples and pay the mark up over the net?
Who knows :-/ |
The fine that they would recieve from the department of weights and measure for inacurratly scanning items would be a lot more than the software...
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01/30/2006 02:44:26 PM · #58 |
Originally posted by hokie:
Originally posted by barndog:
I once ordered an item through an on-line shop, major retailer. When I got the package delivered it was something else, although very nice and double the value.
The original item was $200.00
The shipped item was $400.00
I called and told them what had happened. The sales lady asked if I was interested in keeping the $400.00 item. I said I was. She said Merry Christmas. |
That same kinda thing happened to me when I bought my latest copy of Adobe Creative Suite CS.
I went to Staples..(the only place in my town that carries this software) and they had the software for $989. I really didn't have the cash to pay for the whole thing. I really needed the suite becaseu I use Photoshop and Illustrator a lot but...I only had about $600 saved for software.
I decided..I needed it and broke open the wallet with the dreaded credit card :-(
When I go to the counter and they rang it up the cashier turned to me and said....$4.87....Thats right...Four dollars and eighty seven cents!
I thought for a nano-second...my conscience quivered and I said to her..meekly.."Miss, you must be mistaken..this software is very expensive and there is no way it could cost under $5.00" She looked at me and said something about maybe it was on sale :-D
I repeated.."No, it would not be under $5.00 on any sale".
She then went into the office, brought out the manager, the manager rang it up..looked at me and said.."That will be $4.87!". I explained this again to her and she just replied "I don't key the prices here..that is done at HQ..what it says here is what it costs"
I told my wife and she still can't believe it. I figured...I was up against a deadline and maybe all those years of good Karma came back on me.
Anywho....beyond $1,000 I can't tell where my honesty limit is....I can't even say if I was honest enough that day..Maybe I should have returned the Photoshop Software to the counter and came back another day but I needed it right then...no way out...had to have it for a job. Why else go to staples and pay the mark up over the net?
Who knows :-/ |
WOW.... well hey you tried to do the right thing... even when the manager told you that would be 4.87, I would have been like well alrighty then.... had to be good karma
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01/30/2006 02:50:22 PM · #59 |
Originally posted by Brent_Ward:
Originally posted by jrjr:
Selective stealing is still stealing. You are fooling yourself if you think it is OK to keep it if the mistake was made by Wal-Mart. In my book, any way you look at it, you are a thief.
--jrjr |
Actually she never stole it. They made a mistake. It's totally different.
Stealing is the intent of taking an item without paying for it. She totally intended to pay for it. |
I don't think it is about the legality of whether the payment is due in a court of law.
It is a moral issue. What is the right thing to do. It is not how much money you have in your wallet but how much integrity you have in your soul.
To err is human, forgive divine. So forgive the err of the clerk and offer to pay for what you intended.
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01/30/2006 02:51:08 PM · #60 |
Originally posted by digitalpins:
WOW.... well hey you tried to do the right thing... even when the manager told you that would be 4.87, I would have been like well alrighty then.... had to be good karma |
Yeah..I know..but even telling that story today I feel bad. Blame my mom!
Here is a good Norman Rockwell story.
I grew up not exactly welfare poor but not so well off. When I was 5 me and my mom were at what would be considered the $1 store back in 1968. While she was checking out I took a piece of bubble gum.
When I got home my mom caught me and made me walk back to the store (about a 1-1/2 miles) while she followed behind me to give it back.
I'm telling you...stuff like that stays with you for life! |
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01/30/2006 02:51:39 PM · #61 |
Ask yourself this...
If the store had mistakenly double-scanned something worth $180 and they discoverd it the same day, would they do everything in their power to identify you and correct the mistake? I think not.
Not being able to find you is not an issue, they can.
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01/30/2006 03:02:00 PM · #62 |
I'd take the UPC code & bill back & pay the next time I go there to buy something.
The opposite happened (is happening to me) via my bank. I ordered some cheques, expecting to get 500 or so for free. They sent me a ten pound box full of cheques, ledger books, a rubber stamp personalized with my company name, ink pad & I don't know what else. I checked my account this morning and viola, $115 stolen from my account for all this crap I don't want.
I called & complained this morning & was told to bring back the box, but they'd still have to charge me $85 for the personalized cheques because they have them printed by company X, who they've already paid. I told her I deal with them, not with company X, and it was their mistake to send me all that crap.
Now I'm either going to have to eat the $115, or waste my Saturday morning going to the bank to give them all their crap back and possibly still be out $85. I can be pretty cruel on the phone & I let her know I'd be in a much worse mood on Saturday. I give myself pretty good odds at getting all my money back if I go in on Saturday, but I have to ask myself, is my Saturday moring worth $115?
If this bank ever screws up in my favour (not bloody likely), I'd still tell them about it, but that would only be because I wouldn't want it to come back & bite me in the butt. I'm just dumbfounded that they'd even consider screwing me for such a small amount of money compared to what my business is worth to them. If I go in on Saturday, you can bet I'll let them know that my business account isn't the only one I have there. If I go in on Saturday and I'm not satisfied, there's a chance I'll end up losing many more hundreds of dollars moving my mortgage & everything else to another bank, just to spite them.
I don't just blame the bank for this kind of behaviour. I blame the public at large for being such a pack of sheep, willingly taking it up the arse from suppliers.
I am not a happy camper!
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01/30/2006 03:06:25 PM · #63 |
| When the same store realizes they overcharged hundreds of customers on an item because it rang up at a different price then what it was advertised in the paper or marked on the shelf (which happens all the time) how much effort do they go through to give everyone their money back? Are they stealing from you when this happens? |
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01/30/2006 03:12:59 PM · #64 |
Pauline,
I am glad you called andpaid for it, I know I would have done, I couldn't live with myself if i hadn't.
As some one said ealier honesty is the best policy.
Hope you enjoy your goods, I will have to pop up sometime to take a look at them.
Hope John is doing Good and you are taking plenty of pictures.
Ben
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01/30/2006 03:14:11 PM · #65 |
| Some here argue that stores don't "do the right thing" and seem to imply that that justifies the individual not doing the right thing...seems to me, the right thing is still the right thing and I'm not going to let corporate morality guide my actions either. |
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01/30/2006 03:14:26 PM · #66 |
Originally posted by hokie:
That same kinda thing happened to me when I bought my latest copy of Adobe Creative Suite CS.
I went to Staples..(the only place in my town that carries this software) and they had the software for $989. I really didn't have the cash to pay for the whole thing. I really needed the suite becaseu I use Photoshop and Illustrator a lot but...I only had about $600 saved for software.
I decided..I needed it and broke open the wallet with the dreaded credit card :-(
When I go to the counter and they rang it up the cashier turned to me and said....$4.87....Thats right...Four dollars and eighty seven cents!
I thought for a nano-second...my conscience quivered and I said to her..meekly.."Miss, you must be mistaken..this software is very expensive and there is no way it could cost under $5.00" She looked at me and said something about maybe it was on sale :-D
I repeated.."No, it would not be under $5.00 on any sale".
She then went into the office, brought out the manager, the manager rang it up..looked at me and said.."That will be $4.87!". I explained this again to her and she just replied "I don't key the prices here..that is done at HQ..what it says here is what it costs"
I told my wife and she still can't believe it. I figured...I was up against a deadline and maybe all those years of good Karma came back on me.
Anywho....beyond $1,000 I can't tell where my honesty limit is....I can't even say if I was honest enough that day..Maybe I should have returned the Photoshop Software to the counter and came back another day but I needed it right then...no way out...had to have it for a job. Why else go to staples and pay the mark up over the net?
Who knows :-/ |
Wow what a deal (or good karma). Should have said - didn't know it was on sale, Can I have another :-) I have had this happen on a few small items but nothing on that scale - it's just amazing that they don't want to check further. If I query it and they confirm it then that's where I leave it - sorry. |
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01/30/2006 03:14:43 PM · #67 |
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
I'd take the UPC code & bill back & pay the next time I go there to buy something.
The opposite happened (is happening to me) via my bank. I ordered some cheques, expecting to get 500 or so for free. They sent me a ten pound box full of cheques, ledger books, a rubber stamp personalized with my company name, ink pad & I don't know what else. I checked my account this morning and viola, $115 stolen from my account for all this crap I don't want.
I called & complained this morning & was told to bring back the box, but they'd still have to charge me $85 for the personalized cheques because they have them printed by company X, who they've already paid. I told her I deal with them, not with company X, and it was their mistake to send me all that crap.
Now I'm either going to have to eat the $115, or waste my Saturday morning going to the bank to give them all their crap back and possibly still be out $85. I can be pretty cruel on the phone & I let her know I'd be in a much worse mood on Saturday. I give myself pretty good odds at getting all my money back if I go in on Saturday, but I have to ask myself, is my Saturday moring worth $115?
If this bank ever screws up in my favour (not bloody likely), I'd still tell them about it, but that would only be because I wouldn't want it to come back & bite me in the butt. I'm just dumbfounded that they'd even consider screwing me for such a small amount of money compared to what my business is worth to them. If I go in on Saturday, you can bet I'll let them know that my business account isn't the only one I have there. If I go in on Saturday and I'm not satisfied, there's a chance I'll end up losing many more hundreds of dollars moving my mortgage & everything else to another bank, just to spite them.
I don't just blame the bank for this kind of behaviour. I blame the public at large for being such a pack of sheep, willingly taking it up the arse from suppliers.
I am not a happy camper!
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I feel your pain, and half a day of my time, looking at the pay slips is not worth $115. The fact that they are trying to make me pay for their mistake however is worth a mountain to me. Usually I'll spend a lot of time arguing before I let someone pick my pocket to pay for an error I didn't commit.
One thing to check before Saturday is refinancing rates...maybe you can actually find a better deal.
Sick 'em, Slippy.
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01/30/2006 03:15:34 PM · #68 |
I agree with KiwiPix. If you had over-paid they would make no attempt to find you and give your money back. The consumer gets ripped off everyday in this world. Sometimes it's nice to get even a little.
Would I take it back and pay for it, HELL NO!! Does that make me a thief? NO.
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01/30/2006 03:17:30 PM · #69 |
The way I see it, the universe is all about flows -- during the course of everyday activity I flow out and the universe flows in to fill the void. I choose what flows in by what I accept, and I don't want to not be able to accept a legitimate flow later because I took the easy flow now.
I suppose this is somewhat like karma -- but not really. To put it in Karmic terms: an actual karmic repayment of previous good done would not come with a price tag that is unwillingly paid by someone else. Take it back, by keeping it you are forfeiting an actual karmic repayment in the future.
David
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01/30/2006 03:18:08 PM · #70 |
Originally posted by robs:
Originally posted by hokie:
That same kinda thing happened to me when I bought my latest copy of Adobe Creative Suite CS.
I went to Staples..(the only place in my town that carries this software) and they had the software for $989. I really didn't have the cash to pay for the whole thing. I really needed the suite becaseu I use Photoshop and Illustrator a lot but...I only had about $600 saved for software.
I decided..I needed it and broke open the wallet with the dreaded credit card :-(
When I go to the counter and they rang it up the cashier turned to me and said....$4.87....Thats right...Four dollars and eighty seven cents!
I thought for a nano-second...my conscience quivered and I said to her..meekly.."Miss, you must be mistaken..this software is very expensive and there is no way it could cost under $5.00" She looked at me and said something about maybe it was on sale :-D
I repeated.."No, it would not be under $5.00 on any sale".
She then went into the office, brought out the manager, the manager rang it up..looked at me and said.."That will be $4.87!". I explained this again to her and she just replied "I don't key the prices here..that is done at HQ..what it says here is what it costs"
I told my wife and she still can't believe it. I figured...I was up against a deadline and maybe all those years of good Karma came back on me.
Anywho....beyond $1,000 I can't tell where my honesty limit is....I can't even say if I was honest enough that day..Maybe I should have returned the Photoshop Software to the counter and came back another day but I needed it right then...no way out...had to have it for a job. Why else go to staples and pay the mark up over the net?
Who knows :-/ |
Wow what a deal (or good karma). Should have said - didn't know it was on sale, Can I have another :-) I have had this happen on a few small items but nothing on that scale - it's just amazing that they don't want to check further. If I query it and they confirm it then that's where I leave it - sorry. |
If I asked twice and they still gave me that price, I'd say hold on, and go get all the copies they had to put on ebay... :D
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01/30/2006 03:24:55 PM · #71 |
Originally posted by saintaugust:
Originally posted by srdanz:
Once I was in this restaurant, the bill came at about $60, and when I gave them a credit card and the slip came back to sign, there was a $27 amount on the slip to sign for.
I added gratuity ($43) and paid $70 total (as planned)
I felt good about it. Still do. |
hope the meal and service was worth it. |
It was for 2 people, including a glass of wine and stuff... I never eat at the restaurants alone, and even when I have to (hungry in between flights at strange airports) I rarely exceed $15.
It was worth it. |
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01/30/2006 03:25:41 PM · #72 |
How much $XXX.00 have you gained from this mistake.
What does it cost to pay for a right left undone?
Compare the two amounts.
If your integrity = $0.00 then you are way ahead!
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01/30/2006 03:26:15 PM · #73 |
| I'd be back in a heartbeat, just as I'd hope others would do for me. Regardless of the size of the retailer or whatever you might think of karma, it's a single person's mistake- NOT any kind of payback or gift from above. I have gone back to stores that undercharged me by a nickel and brought the difference to them. That nickel is trivial, but the look on the cashier's faces is worth gold. ;-) |
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01/30/2006 03:30:45 PM · #74 |
Originally posted by dpdave:
I feel your pain, and half a day of my time, looking at the pay slips is not worth $115. The fact that they are trying to make me pay for their mistake however is worth a mountain to me. Usually I'll spend a lot of time arguing before I let someone pick my pocket to pay for an error I didn't commit.
One thing to check before Saturday is refinancing rates...maybe you can actually find a better deal.
Sick 'em, Slippy. |
I agree with you on the matter of principal. If I don't do something about it, it's as good as telling them that it's OK for them to do that to me and everyone else. Sadly, I've just surfed away from another bank and their rates are higher. I refinanced my mortgage at the low point in the "V" this fall. :-(
I don't think I'll have much of a bargaining chip. But whether I get my way or not, the right thing for me to do is probably to go in to the bank and give 'er. I made a teacher cry during a parent-teacher interview while letting her know how unhappy I was with the way her class was run. Can I make a banker cry? |
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01/30/2006 03:31:57 PM · #75 |
Ok this has got me thinking
How many of the people who here say they would return the item does or has used copied software, music or films??
you know what I am getting at so you dont need me to say more.
edit sp.
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