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 01/30/2006 01:43:21 PM · #26
Originally posted by saintaugust:
going back and paying is the right thing to do.

although the sales girl might be out of a job when the manager finds out. thats an expensive mistake.

but its still.. the right thing to do.


This worried me and I asked if the girl would get into trouble. I was told it was a serious mistake but it was implied that she would be reprimanded but not sacked. I hope that was the case - we all make mistakes at times!
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 01/30/2006 01:44:03 PM · #27
Originally posted by dickel:
From my own morally corrupt point of view I would happily see this as Karma. Be good every day and keep the free gifts coming :>)


That's the beauty of a karmic philosphy. It doesn't dictate how you should behave or even mandate 'right' or 'wrong'. It just tells you that nature's balance is circular, and as such what goes around absolutely will come around.

Consider the repercussions of your actions. if you're prepared to accept the consequences, then do what you think is right.

Personally I think I'd be a little leery about what I might need some Karmic deposits for later ;)
 01/30/2006 01:45:19 PM · #28
Originally posted by Riponlady:
Originally posted by saintaugust:
going back and paying is the right thing to do.

although the sales girl might be out of a job when the manager finds out. thats an expensive mistake.

but its still.. the right thing to do.


This worried me and I asked if the girl would get into trouble. I was told it was a serious mistake but it was implied that she would be reprimanded but not sacked. I hope that was the case - we all make mistakes at times!
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yeah, true.

but in my ten years in photo retail, i don't think i ever gave away a (equiv. can $400) lens or camera.

01/30/2006 01:46:26 PM · #29
Originally posted by Brent_Ward:
Originally posted by jimmythefish:
If it were a mom and pop shop I'd take it back no question. With a big box reailer I'd be inclined to keep it or, better, donate the cost of the DVD player to charity. Big companies like Wal-Mart make huge bucks off treating everyone but their customers like sh*t, so I wouldn't feel bad.


Couldn't agree more...

And the more I think about it. I would keep it. I'm sure the companies make more than enough off unclaimed gift cards or better yet, gift cards that lose their value over time, to cover it's cost.

Nothing worse than paying cash for a gift card to have it lose it's value if it's misplaced in a drawer for over a year. So in essence, your just giving cash to the company for christmas.


I'm with this side of things.. Small store, I'd go in and pay for it in a heartbeat.. big store, no damn way.
 01/30/2006 01:47:27 PM · #30
Originally posted by saintaugust:
going back and paying is the right thing to do.

although the sales girl might be out of a job when the manager finds out. thats an expensive mistake.

but its still.. the right thing to do.


...and the cashier might be out of a job if she double rung me and I went back to claim my $$$...but you know I would. We all know we should take it back. Some of us will and do. In the end, the store will "absorb" the cost by marking up prices. I'd rather be honest at my immediate expense and make at least some people realize there are still good and honest people in the world.
 01/30/2006 01:50:17 PM · #31
Originally posted by KaDi:
Originally posted by saintaugust:
going back and paying is the right thing to do.

although the sales girl might be out of a job when the manager finds out. thats an expensive mistake.

but its still.. the right thing to do.


...and the cashier might be out of a job if she double rung me and I went back to claim my $$$...but you know I would. We all know we should take it back. Some of us will and do. In the end, the store will "absorb" the cost by marking up prices. I'd rather be honest at my immediate expense and make at least some people realize there are still good and honest people in the world.


and.. i doubt the store would get mad at her for charging twice. they'd probably laugh it off as an oops. missing the money altogether would not result in cheery management.

Message edited by author 2006-01-30 13:51:04.
 01/30/2006 01:52:34 PM · #32
i watched a sitcom once where the lady didnt pay for an ipod. she started to feel guilty so she took the ipod back and told the manager what had happened. the manager fired the employee, so then she felt bad about that...next time dont check the receipt, then you wont have to worry either way. (i'd keep it)
 01/30/2006 01:56:54 PM · #33
I'm apalled that some would justify keeping merchandise you didn't pay for by the actions of the victim. In some ways, people never fail to disappoint. Regardless of how small the effect on the store, or the actions of the company that owns the store; if you didn't pay for it, it's not yours and keeping it is wrong.

You can try to justify it all you want by listing the sins of the corporation, but it's still wrong.
01/30/2006 01:57:24 PM · #34
What does the size of the store have to do with you being honest to yourself?

Honesty is what happens when no one is looking. :-/

(That is enough from me...Mr "Please let me find a million dollars on the ground" guy)

01/30/2006 01:59:49 PM · #35
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
I'm apalled that some would justify keeping merchandise you didn't pay for by the actions of the victim. In some ways, people never fail to disappoint. Regardless of how small the effect on the store, or the actions of the company that owns the store; if you didn't pay for it, it's not yours and keeping it is wrong.

You can try to justify it all you want by listing the sins of the corporation, but it's still wrong.


in your point of view. My view differs. Right and Wrong isn't a black and white subject.
 01/30/2006 02:04:37 PM · #36
Originally posted by Artyste:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
I'm apalled that some would justify keeping merchandise you didn't pay for by the actions of the victim. In some ways, people never fail to disappoint. Regardless of how small the effect on the store, or the actions of the company that owns the store; if you didn't pay for it, it's not yours and keeping it is wrong.

You can try to justify it all you want by listing the sins of the corporation, but it's still wrong.


in your point of view. My view differs. Right and Wrong isn't a black and white subject.


I can't see how stealing is in the gray area, but if that's how you need to justify it and make yourself feel better about it, go ahead...
 01/30/2006 02:06:57 PM · #37
I wonder how many of these people who think is is OK to steal from an outfit like WalMart because it is such a damaging force to our economy go there to shop without ever giving a thought to the plight of their underpaid workers?
01/30/2006 02:08:45 PM · #38
Once I was in this restaurant, the bill came at about $60, and when I gave them a credit card and the slip came back to sign, there was a $27 amount on the slip to sign for.

I added gratuity ($43) and paid $70 total (as planned)

I felt good about it. Still do.
 01/30/2006 02:09:21 PM · #39
when I saw this thread I called a friend of mine who is a defense attourney and asked him what the legal obligation would be, and he said that if the store makes the mistake of not charging for a item and let you out of the store with it, specially if it's checked at the door, then it's their loss, they can try to call you and ask if you want to pay, but they can't demand it, the downside is that the warranty is void since the item is not listed on the bill.

the same goes if an item is charged twice on the same bill, if you leave the store without correcting it, the store can refuse to refund the extra item you didn't get, so that's your loss, ALWAYS read the bill and compare it to the items in your bag BEFORE leaving the store !

that's the legal side of the matter, the morale is quite different ;)

PS: I'd keeep it, they only last a year so you could throw it away after a year without regrets :)
 01/30/2006 02:09:41 PM · #40
Simple. Two choices.

1.) Keep it and when anyone ever asks if you ever stole anything from a store you could honestly answer Yes!

2.) Return and pay so you have a story to tell people that attests to your honesty and integrity.
 01/30/2006 02:11:21 PM · #41
i'd say most of the employees in the united states are underpaid for anything that actually calls for physical labor...finders keepers. its funny i just asked 5 co-workers what they would do and they all said keep the item...hahaha

Originally posted by coolhar:
I wonder how many of these people who think is is OK to steal from an outfit like WalMart because it is such a damaging force to our economy go there to shop without ever giving a thought to the plight of their underpaid workers?

01/30/2006 02:12:16 PM · #42
Originally posted by saintaugust:
and.. i doubt the store would get mad at her for charging twice. they'd probably laugh it off as an oops. missing the money altogether would not result in cheery management.


That has not been my experience. One manager made the cashier apologize personally to me. I noticed the overcharge while still in line as I was paying for my purchase. The cashier would not call for a key turn and I had to go to "customer service" and wait in line. The overcharge was almost small enough to ignore--but I waited and explained why I was unhappy. I know she was not fired for her mistake--but her level of customer service improved.

This same grocery store refunded my money and gave me a replacement item for free when I returned with an unusable (moldy) pizza. They really don't like unhappy customers--we tend to shop elsewhere when we get ticked off.
 01/30/2006 02:12:34 PM · #43
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by Artyste:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
I'm apalled that some would justify keeping merchandise you didn't pay for by the actions of the victim. In some ways, people never fail to disappoint. Regardless of how small the effect on the store, or the actions of the company that owns the store; if you didn't pay for it, it's not yours and keeping it is wrong.

You can try to justify it all you want by listing the sins of the corporation, but it's still wrong.


in your point of view. My view differs. Right and Wrong isn't a black and white subject.


I can't see how stealing is in the gray area, but if that's how you need to justify it and make yourself feel better about it, go ahead...


Stealing *can* be a gray area, and it isn't about justification. It could simply be karma's way of saying "thank you" for all the good I *do* do in every aspect of my life. Having said that, it's never actually happened to me.. so it's a theoretical decision. I can say "no damn way" right now and still return it if it ever happened, if I was in that kind of mood. One thing I've never done in my life though is let other people dictate *my* morality.
 01/30/2006 02:14:10 PM · #44
"Honesty is the best policy; but he who is governed by that maxim is not an honest man."

Richard Whately, Archbishop of Dublin

Thought this seemed to sum up the mood of this thread. Personally I prefer:

"Honesty is a question of right or wrong, not a matter of policy."

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 01/30/2006 02:16:38 PM · #45
Originally posted by coolhar:
I wonder how many of these people who think is is OK to steal from an outfit like WalMart because it is such a damaging force to our economy go there to shop without ever giving a thought to the plight of their underpaid workers?


some of the employees are underpaid, perhaps.

but the walmarts i've gone to in canada, you can tell they don't make much. because they don't do anything.

i'm specifically referring to floor workers (who suddenly remember something they have to 'do' when i approach them with a question.)
01/30/2006 02:16:53 PM · #46
Originally posted by queanbeez:
i'd say most of the employees in the united states are underpaid for anything that actually calls for physical labor...finders keepers. its funny i just asked 5 co-workers what they would do and they all said keep the item...hahaha


So you are saying your honesty is relative to your peers?

I'll be honest...in this instance I would have paid for the item...but..I can't say what I would do in every situation like this.

That is what is so interesting about a topic like this when it comes up. I don't care what you or others think of me..too old for that now. I just wonder how much my own personal feelings about honesty versus my consumer instinct would change if there were..say.. a million dollars versus $250. ?:-/

Message edited by author 2006-01-30 14:17:39.
 01/30/2006 02:18:43 PM · #47
I once ordered an item through an on-line shop, major retailer. When I got the package delivered it was something else, although very nice and double the value.

The original item was $200.00
The shipped item was $400.00

I called and told them what had happened. The sales lady asked if I was interested in keeping the $400.00 item. I said I was. She said Merry Christmas.
 01/30/2006 02:18:56 PM · #48
Originally posted by srdanz:
Once I was in this restaurant, the bill came at about $60, and when I gave them a credit card and the slip came back to sign, there was a $27 amount on the slip to sign for.

I added gratuity ($43) and paid $70 total (as planned)

I felt good about it. Still do.


hope the meal and service was worth it.

01/30/2006 02:20:45 PM · #49
ok this might sound strange (considering i would keep the item) but if i found a wallet i would turn it in with all the money, because that seems more personal.
 01/30/2006 02:21:53 PM · #50
Originally posted by queanbeez:
i'd say most of the employees in the united states are underpaid for anything that actually calls for physical labor...finders keepers. its funny i just asked 5 co-workers what they would do and they all said keep the item...hahaha

I feel that I am underpaid. And I am far from wealthy. But one thing that I can always afford is to be honest.

Message edited by author 2006-01-30 14:24:35.
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