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01/26/2006 02:40:04 PM · #1

A while back there was much heated discussion regarding islamic extremism in the middle-east. And I was demonized for make the argument that in much of that region there is excessively high levels of said extremism.

5%-20% (and believe some regions to be even higher) and was called a bigot and an extremist for such assumption.

I'm sorry, but I rest my case. The Palestinians have just as far as I am concerned proved me right. In electing 77 (possibly 80+) seats out of 135 available for one of the most extreme and violent organizations on the planet. One that has no qualms against targeting children, not even as collatoral targets but as intended targets.

Hamas is an entity that has as it's stated goals the destruction of a people and the establishment of a global islamic state. These are not merely words to them as they are quite active in these goals.

Now, one can't just blame this on a select few. Rather, this demonstrates a level in excess of 50% of the Palestinians. And this in the midst of progress. Israel has given up land, destroyed Israeli communities and forcibly removed it's citizens. Endeavors for peace were being implemented. The Palestinians chose to vote for hatred instead. Sadly, I believe this is truly the saddest moment and darkest hour for the Palestinians.

This tells the world that the Palestinians do not want peaceful co-existance and would rather have hate and bloodshed. There is no willingness to compromise. And not just by a select few but rather by an over-whelming majority.

kari1

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01/26/2006 02:46:59 PM · #2

And to a degree if we leave them to it they will kill each other out and create in that another part of the world in peace as they will no longer exist. Just shows that democracy works. You reap what you sow.

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01/26/2006 02:49:19 PM · #3

Yeah...but it's still tragic and sad...

:(

Actually, I'm hanging out with a friend tonight who is a Palestinian. I think we're going to have to spend some time just praying for his people.

*sigh*

_eug

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01/26/2006 02:51:39 PM · #4

Originally posted by kari1:

The great Ghandhi said it best though, "Violence begets violence." I disagree with the, "Let them fight it out until it's done" idea.

kari1

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01/26/2006 02:53:06 PM · #5

Originally posted by _eug:

Originally posted by kari1:
And to a degree if we leave them to it they will kill each other out and create in that another part of the world in peace as they will no longer exist. Just shows that democracy works. You reap what you sow.

The great Ghandhi said it best though, "Violence begets violence." I disagree with the, "Let them fight it out until it's done" idea.

Retract and rewrite. I agree with you _eug, but it is a case of violence begetting violence. It is a shame.

Kari

Message edited by author 2006-01-26 14:55:37.

milo655321

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01/26/2006 02:58:43 PM · #6

"You get the government you deserve."

--Adlai Stevenson

David Ey

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01/26/2006 03:18:16 PM · #7

Originally posted by kari1:

Do you think they intend to stop when they control their little corner of the world? You aren't paying attention. You may well reap what you sow, you also will be overcome by evil if you are unwilling to stop it.

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01/26/2006 03:24:05 PM · #8

EXCERPTS on HAMAS:

Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it"

[[[ This reference clearly shows that in the eyes of Hamas, that Israel is not alone in being a target for obliteration. Others were before it. Likewise, were there no Israel, it is likely to presume there would be another target. If there were others before it, than there will be others after it.]]]

"It is a step that inevitably should be followed by other steps. The Movement is but one squadron that should be supported by more and more squadrons from this vast Arab and Islamic world, until the enemy is vanquished and Allah's victory is realised."

[[[Here we see that it is merely a "step" and other steaps are too follow.

We also see a strong concept of an Islamic state.
]]]

"Allah is its target, the Prophet is its model, the Koran its constitution: Jihad is its path and death for the sake of Allah is the loftiest of its wishes."

[[[ Jihad is the path that Hamas chooses. ]]]

"The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. Neither a single Arab country nor all Arab countries, neither any king or president, nor all the kings and presidents, neither any organization nor all of them, be they Palestinian or Arab, possess the right to do that. Palestine is an Islamic Waqf land consecrated for Moslem generations until Judgement Day."

[[[ It's foundational base prohibits it from negotiating. It is written so as to fundamentally disallow any negotiation in any part regarding said region. It is an all or nothing philosophy.]]]

"This is the law governing the land of Palestine in the Islamic Sharia (law) and the same goes for any land the Moslems have conquered by force, because during the times of (Islamic) conquests, the Moslems consecrated these lands to Moslem generations till the Day of Judgement."

[[[Note their understanding that this is not just regarding Palestine/Israel but any lands that were moslem. This includes northern Africa and even much of Spain and other areas of Europe. Once the issue of the Palestine/Israel is resolved in HAMAS' favor it will turn toward other once Moslem lands requiring re-conquest. (Spain, are you ready?) ]]]

"Initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences, are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement."

[[[ Doesn't leave much room for negotiation does it? ]]]

//en.wikisource.org/wiki/Hamas_Covenant

All this sadly begets the question, does there remain any hope for peace? when hate is so fervent?

Message edited by author 2006-01-26 15:24:31.

kari1

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01/26/2006 03:27:33 PM · #9

Originally posted by theSaj:

All this sadly begets the question, does there remain any hope for peace? when hate is so fervent?

So true ... but there is so much hate not only there, but creating and keeping wars and crap going everywhere.

Saj: Message to your friend, our thoughts are with him in this time where his homeland is in such turmoil.

Kari