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02/02/2006 06:28:50 PM · #151 |
Originally posted by TroyMosley:
Freedom is not Free |
Even Iceland's tradition of anti-militarism is an indulgence possible only because it was paid for by others. People just like Troy.
Dan: Please stop! You are embarrassing yourself. Your argument is illogical. Your conclusions are fanciful. Your facts are mostly wrong. I'm sure you are sincere, but please do yourself a favour. Quit. |
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02/02/2006 06:56:25 PM · #152 |
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02/02/2006 06:58:49 PM · #153 |
Originally posted by justin_hewlett: Originally posted by DanSig: the reason given for invading Iraq was to capture Saddam Hussein |
Actually I believe the bigger reason given was the "Weapons of Mass Destruction." |
at least Saddam existed, unlike the "Weapons of Mass Destruction" that were never found ;)
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02/02/2006 07:00:58 PM · #154 |
you post this as if it is easy, easy to rid a whole country of weeds, easy to creat a gov,easy to save lives, if its soo easy, maybe people who think this should go and help, make it easier, instead of talking about it,
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02/02/2006 07:06:00 PM · #155 |
Originally posted by TroyMosley: you post this as if it is easy, easy to rid a whole country of weeds, easy to creat a gov,easy to save lives, if its soo easy, maybe people who think this should go and help, make it easier, instead of talking about it, |
Nobody said it was easy but it's what the Allies said they were doing and there seems little real evidence it is happening! While there is such danger from those people opposed to the invasion, there is little chance of non-combatants travelling there to help - if the massed expertise of the US army can't do it, then how can volunteers hope to do so?
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02/02/2006 07:07:35 PM · #156 |
yep.. that's the one.. the "everything is better now in Iraq¨ kinda thing.. I bet everything the US troops were supposed to do to help Iraq is at the same level of success...
and I think the phosphorus bombs that were used in Iraq and kuweit has messed with the brains of those that were there, they sust sound so brainwashed by the US goverment.. wonder what else was in those bombs.....
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02/02/2006 08:02:18 PM · #157 |
And where do you have your brain washed? |
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02/02/2006 11:17:19 PM · #158 |
Originally posted by legalbeagle: Originally posted by jsas: but I support the troops whether I feel they should be there or not |
I don't know why people keep on posting "I support the troops regardless" when no-one so far has suggested that the case should be otherwise. Criticism is being levelled at the decision to invade and the moral integrity of our political leaders, not the moral integrity of the troops. |
BECAUSE Dansig has said throughout the thread "THE US TROOPS" |
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02/03/2006 06:43:12 AM · #159 |
Originally posted by TroyMosley: you know, after 9/11, most of America wanted something done, |
I agree with you 100%
Originally posted by TroyMosley: saddam hussein killed more of his own people while he was in power, then have been killed since the war began. |
Quite probably.
Originally posted by TroyMosley: Iraq and Afghanistan had to be invaded |
Why "must" we invade countries that have despotic leaders? If we "must", why only invade Iraq and none of the other countries in the world with despotic murdering leaders?
Is it perhaps that "most of America wanted something done", Iraqi's have the right skin colour and national religion to appear related, an army that had been effectively incapacitated by 10 years of sanctions, and abundant resources of oil that were not being exploited by US companies?
Aren't those the real reasons why we invaded? Can we really justify hundreds of thousands of deaths and chaos to satisfy a thirst for vengeance and greed?
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02/03/2006 06:52:26 AM · #160 |
Originally posted by DanSig: have anyone of you ever stopped to think WHY USA and England is the main target for terrorist attack ?
well it can't be because of the money.. ...
it can't either because of cultural differences...
it can't be because of religious reasons...
it can't be political...
so the reason must be the military... |
Dan you are off on one here.
Of course the US is the richest country in the world (borrowings are high because the country is good for it).
Of course there are cultural differences (have you travelled in the M.E.?).
A main reason given is a religious one - it is a factor (though not the only real factor).
Republicans and democrats do not rule the world: they are both right wing parties. The world has a lot more variety in political expression.
The reason is not solely "the military": the military decisions taken by the US governing elite are a factor. It is not limited to military decisions, but a number of other areas of Western policy generally (trade tariffs, environmental policy, protectionism generally).
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02/03/2006 06:58:56 AM · #161 |
Originally posted by TroyMosley: you post this as if it is easy, easy to rid a whole country of weeds, easy to creat a gov,easy to save lives, if its soo easy, maybe people who think this should go and help, make it easier, instead of talking about it, |
Maybe nations who don't want to spend decades nation building should not invade other countries in order to institute regime change.
The UK had a significant amount of experience in nation building when preparing for and carrying out the dismantling of the British Empire in the 1940s and 50s. From a usually peaceful start and with an existing and undamaged infrastructure, it took many years in most cases (often nearly a decade). I don't know why we think that after invading and forceably dismantling another country with a proportionately tiny army we can now do the same job in three or four years.
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02/06/2006 12:48:16 PM · #162 |
here is some interresting video about 9/11
and I find this more credible than the videos released the day after the crash...
video 1
video 2
Message edited by author 2006-02-06 14:11:08. |
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