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 01/21/2006 05:54:36 PM · #1
I was wondering if SC members can vote or not since they know which picture is whos?!
 01/21/2006 05:56:19 PM · #2
as I understand it in the main voting screen they cant see whos submission is whos. They have to go to another part of the site to see the owners of the submissions.

edit: and yes they can vote on the pictures

Message edited by author 2006-01-21 17:56:53.
 01/21/2006 05:58:03 PM · #3
Yep, they only know whose it is if and when they have to validate a photo.
 01/21/2006 06:00:02 PM · #4
Originally posted by wavelength:
Yep, they only know whose it is if and when they have to validate a photo.


They know before that if they want to.
 01/21/2006 06:01:21 PM · #5
Correct- our voting screen doesn't look any different than yours. While we might know who shot a few of the photos from validation discussions, etc., I'm pretty this group can maintain objectivity or abstain from voting on those. Most of us rarely vote anyway due to other obligations.
 01/21/2006 06:02:29 PM · #6
IMO they are a fairly objective group though so I wouldn't be to concerned about it. Even if they all decided to gang up on someone conspiracy style , in all reality there's just not enough of them to have much impact on the final score.
 01/21/2006 06:06:09 PM · #7
Originally posted by scalvert:
Correct- our voting screen doesn't look any different than yours. While we might know who shot a few of the photos from validation discussions, etc., I'm pretty this group can maintain objectivity or abstain from voting on those. Most of us rarely vote anyway due to other obligations.


I never doubted the SC objectivity, I was only curious if you know which picture belongs to who, without the validation discussions.
 01/21/2006 06:07:44 PM · #8
Originally posted by Giorgio:
I was only curious if you know which picture belongs to who, without the validation discussions.


Not by default, but we can peek with a little effort.
 01/21/2006 06:08:46 PM · #9
In the interest of full disclosure, and as Giorgio stated, it is possible for us to determine who belongs to a shot if we really want to poke around, validation request or no. That said, when voting, we take great care to maintain objectivity. For me, that means that if I find it necessary to look at details of a shot, I decide on a vote for that shot prior to any investigatory work, or I recuse myself from voting on it. Most often the former.
 01/21/2006 06:09:27 PM · #10
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by Giorgio:
I was only curious if you know which picture belongs to who, without the validation discussions.


Not by default, but we can peek with a little effort.


LOL, thanks for the info :)
 01/21/2006 06:11:02 PM · #11
after you have been here a while you know who a good deal of the images belong to anywas - style, models, the way they type thier title.
 01/21/2006 06:18:45 PM · #12
Not only can the SC see who's entered what, they can also change votes that people have cast so that their friends always win.
 01/21/2006 06:21:38 PM · #13
they also hot chat girls over msger because they have a secret website that they plug in thier email address and it gives them all thier contact info!

And they rigged the hot or not boards!

They are also behind the fake moon landings...

Bastards!
 01/21/2006 06:25:13 PM · #14
Originally posted by mesmeraj:
they also hot chat girls over msger because they have a secret website that they plug in thier email address and it gives them all thier contact info!


If it's secret how come you know about it? :)))
 01/21/2006 06:26:32 PM · #15
01/21/2006 06:27:11 PM · #16
coz i'm a hot chick ... duh :p
 01/21/2006 06:45:11 PM · #17
Originally posted by mesmeraj:
coz i'm a hot chick ... duh :p


How YOU doin?
 01/21/2006 07:07:31 PM · #18
Originally posted by kirbic:
In the interest of full disclosure, and as Giorgio stated, it is possible for us to determine who belongs to a shot if we really want to poke around, validation request or no. That said, when voting, we take great care to maintain objectivity. For me, that means that if I find it necessary to look at details of a shot, I decide on a vote for that shot prior to any investigatory work, or I recuse myself from voting on it. Most often the former.


This same question was asked about 6 months ago and it was said that no one could see but Drew or Landon...

I think S/C members should NOT have access to this information as it serves no good...if they think something is fishy, they should request a DQ, and then it should be run by one MAIN person in charge, and they will choose whether or not to ask for validation...

Even when voting on whether or not something was a violation, there is NO REASON the site council members should know who took the photo...NO REASON, whatsoever...it just serves absolutely no purpose.
 01/21/2006 07:18:04 PM · #19
Originally posted by dpaull:
This same question was asked about 6 months ago and it was said that no one could see but Drew or Landon...

I think S/C members should NOT have access to this information as it serves no good...if they think something is fishy, they should request a DQ, and then it should be run by one MAIN person in charge, and they will choose whether or not to ask for validation...

Even when voting on whether or not something was a violation, there is NO REASON the site council members should know who took the photo...NO REASON, whatsoever...it just serves absolutely no purpose.


At the time, that information was accurate.

Since then we've had an increasing number of situations where that information was necessary, so Drew and Langdon decided to give us access to that information. They felt that we needed it and could be trusted with it, and I'd like to think that so far we've done nothing to prove them wrong.

~Terry
 01/21/2006 07:20:17 PM · #20
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
Originally posted by dpaull:
This same question was asked about 6 months ago and it was said that no one could see but Drew or Landon...

I think S/C members should NOT have access to this information as it serves no good...if they think something is fishy, they should request a DQ, and then it should be run by one MAIN person in charge, and they will choose whether or not to ask for validation...

Even when voting on whether or not something was a violation, there is NO REASON the site council members should know who took the photo...NO REASON, whatsoever...it just serves absolutely no purpose.


At the time, that information was accurate.

Since then we've had an increasing number of situations where that information was necessary, so Drew and Langdon decided to give us access to that information. They felt that we needed it and could be trusted with it, and I'd like to think that so far we've done nothing to prove them wrong.

~Terry


I trust the SC...they do a great job!
 01/21/2006 07:21:27 PM · #21
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
At the time, that information was accurate.

Since then we've had an increasing number of situations where that information was necessary, so Drew and Langdon decided to give us access to that information. They felt that we needed it and could be trusted with it, and I'd like to think that so far we've done nothing to prove them wrong.

~Terry


What would be the problem with giving that access to one main member, or just D&L themselves to check into things? I mean when it comes down to it, what is the point in knowing who the photographer is when it comes time to 'validate' a photo? A violation is a violation...just because someone may be 'known' for doing certain things or got a few violations in his/her past, shouldn't the process be the same either way?
 01/21/2006 07:22:48 PM · #22
Originally posted by philup:
I trust the SC...they do a great job!


I trust the SC as well...I also trust my local police, for the most part, but that doesn't mean I think they should have access to listening to my phone calls and screening all the mail and so on that comes from my home...

I just don't see what purpose it serves, maybe someone can enlighten me.
 01/21/2006 07:30:07 PM · #23
Originally posted by dpaull:
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
At the time, that information was accurate.

Since then we've had an increasing number of situations where that information was necessary, so Drew and Langdon decided to give us access to that information. They felt that we needed it and could be trusted with it, and I'd like to think that so far we've done nothing to prove them wrong.

~Terry


What would be the problem with giving that access to one main member, or just D&L themselves to check into things? I mean when it comes down to it, what is the point in knowing who the photographer is when it comes time to 'validate' a photo? A violation is a violation...just because someone may be 'known' for doing certain things or got a few violations in his/her past, shouldn't the process be the same either way?


Wasn't the issue of having a "Head S/C" member beaten to death in the rant forum?

Really, the S/C is a diverse group - the odds of them all getting together and conspiring against a photo is slim to none. Individually their votes wouldn't make much more difference than any other troll voter. I'm not sure what the real problem is with them having access to the names of who shot what photo is.
 01/21/2006 07:30:49 PM · #24
Originally posted by dpaull:
Originally posted by philup:
I trust the SC...they do a great job!


I trust the SC as well...I also trust my local police, for the most part, but that doesn't mean I think they should have access to listening to my phone calls and screening all the mail and so on that comes from my home...

I just don't see what purpose it serves, maybe someone can enlighten me.


I understand what you are saying but I have nothing to hide...if the local police or even the government wants to listen to my phone calls, mail, etc...let them. I promise they are not going to get much from me.
 01/21/2006 07:37:53 PM · #25
There are a number of reasons we may need to know that information.

As one example, we may get a photograph that looks to be out of season (a summer photograph taken in the winter or vice versa). If we see that the user is from New Zealand, that adequately explains the situation and there's no need for us to pursue the issue at all.

Another example would be two photographs of the same subject being submitted to a challenge. If a check shows that the submitters were two people that were at the same GTG, odds are we won't bother them for proof.

Sometimes we receive DQ requests indicating that a viewer saw a photograph "somewhere" before the challenge dates. Knowing who the photographer is makes it possible for us to do some preliminary research and determine if we have reason to suspect a date violation.

We've also had an increase in troll comments recently. If someone complains about inappropriate comments in the forums, being able to track down their entry and review the comments they've received tells us if there's an issue we need to pursue.

I certainly respect your position on this, and can only assure you that whenever we need to look at the ownership or details of a photograph, we vote before doing it (if we're voting at all).

Drew and Langdon have been reluctant to appoint a "main" or "head" Site Council person, and as far as those of us on SC are concerned, it is them. Personally, I believe that us making these decisions as a group reduces the overall chance for bias or favoritism. I also can't think of anyone on the Site Council who would like to serve in that position, and become the lightning rod for the ire of everyone who gets disqualified.

~Terry
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