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 01/19/2006 06:06:25 PM · #1
I suggest to, periodically, offer an "out of the camera" Challenge. No editing of ANY kind, with the exception of cropping. Photos must be taken in .jpeg only (no RAW).
Purposes:
1) To allow newbies (defined as those new comers who are anxious to learn photography but who do not yet posess editing skills) to compete periodically on a more level playing field.
2) To promote good composition and POV, as a first learning step.
3) To give some positive reinforcement to those beginners who would naturally get higher scores than those to which they may be accustomed.

Of course anyone could enter. There is nothing to lose and perhaps alot to gain. Comments?
--jrjr
 01/19/2006 06:22:16 PM · #2
I think that sounds like a great idea.
01/19/2006 06:24:57 PM · #3
I think that's an excellent idea.
 01/19/2006 06:27:04 PM · #4
I like the idea of Limited editing challenges for the budding photogs.

I'd prefer to see some sort of limits on who can enter though. Perhaps, for instance, for those who have entered under 10 Basic or Advanced challenges or have not recieved over a 5.0 in Basic or Advanced.

Edit: Thinking about it more... I think that a 5.0 rule on who can enter would definitely be a plus.

Message edited by author 2006-01-19 18:28:22.
 01/19/2006 06:28:47 PM · #5
Or have been registered to the site less than 6 months or so...
 01/19/2006 06:53:55 PM · #6
Originally posted by ajschel:
Or have been registered to the site less than 6 months or so...


But that's just a newbie HERE, not to photography.

I'd say a challenge for 5.0's and under, so someone (like me) can finally earn a ribbon ;)

ETA: uh...well, not like me. I'm content with my just above 5s....

Message edited by author 2006-01-19 18:54:47.
 01/19/2006 08:03:43 PM · #7
I love the idea of NO editing. I don't give a fig who enters. Actually, I'd really like to see the glossy people have no option to PP.

Thanks for suggesting this! I hope it goes through.
 01/19/2006 08:07:45 PM · #8
I've wondered about both in my long 2 weeks or so of being a member here. It would be difficult to have a "newbie" contest as no one really knows who is or isn't. Perhaps like has been repeated, young members and those that haven't had a 5 in a challenge.
The no editing other than a crop? I love that too cuz I only have 2 point 'n shoots so I lose out on alot of what my camera can do. Maybe have a point and shoot only challenge?

Whatever the case, focusing on the talent of the photographer as opposed to the talent as an editor appeals.
01/19/2006 08:57:20 PM · #9
First-
I think the idea of a no-editing challenge is great. Is that what they call 'classic' editing around here?

Second-
I'm not sure that such a challenge would really be of much particular benefit to newbies. In fact, I think it would be harder for most. Taking a picture that looks good straight out of the camera is -really- difficult.
 01/19/2006 09:06:19 PM · #10
Bah, this actually gives the advantage to more pro users with good cameras and lighting, and people who have advanced cameras, not the other way around.
01/19/2006 09:08:14 PM · #11
I'm keen on such a challenge, and I think it's a great idea once in awhile...

BUT I dont think putting a restriction on who can or cannot enter is a good idea.
 01/19/2006 09:09:22 PM · #12
Originally posted by wavelength:
Bah, this actually gives the advantage to more pro users with good cameras and lighting, and people who have advanced cameras, not the other way around.


Doesn't really matter. Composing a photo, or the setup to create it, is what this challenge suggestion is all about?
 01/19/2006 09:10:47 PM · #13
I entered my first 2 challenges this week. Best of 2005 and Road. both are 'Out of the Camera'. 9 of my 11 comments are telling me what post processing I should have done (lack of contrast, and needs curves) however Best of is avg of 4.556 right now. I don't think that is bad for a first timer.....Road is 4.035. I've been told it is a boring shot (only 1 total comment)

I think there should be a 'classic editing' competition once in a while.
 01/19/2006 09:26:07 PM · #14
My thoughts:
a) A no editing challenge would be fun for everyone.
b) I don't think it would raise anyone's scores (at least by my voting standards - I vote each photo as a photo on it's own, bearing in mind the challenge topic, not compared to the others in the challenge)
c) I want to see more invitational challenges, with a variety of requirements. I just think it's so cool to see what a certain group of folks will do. We could have one that's just for folks who've only been registered a short while, or just for folks with 1 megapixel cameras or just for the under 18 set, or all kinds of things.
 01/19/2006 09:42:05 PM · #15
Originally posted by kearock:

c) I want to see more invitational challenges, with a variety of requirements. I just think it's so cool to see what a certain group of folks will do. We could have one that's just for folks who've only been registered a short while, or just for folks with 1 megapixel cameras or just for the under 18 set, or all kinds of things.


I think those do sound fun. That would be nice to see.
 01/19/2006 10:09:03 PM · #16
I too like the idea.

As someone who still considers himself a newbie (ok a gadget head newbie, but still a newbie taking pictures), I also get daunted a lot by Photoshop and GIMP.

Mycelium and Wavelength.
Any kind of challenge offers an advantage to serious or pro users.

Many advantages in fact. Lighting is pretty much always a vital key to a photograph and experienced shooters use this to their advantage easily.

Having a challenge where it is just about the camera is a great idea because it takes out all these photoshop advantages and you end up with the need to take a good photo in the camera. Of course, that's always what it has been about.

The only thing that changes here is removing tools that experienced photographers know how to use, because there are some who do not know how to use these things.

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I think the best is to let anyone but ribbon winners enter and give it a try.

Actually, the best photos that I have taken are pretty much good right out of the camera.

What might be neat is that it would allow the participants to get to know what makes a good photograph as the spotlight would be more likely to shift to the lower end photographs. Then they could actually use these photographs as a single area to focus on and learn how to improve just that one picture.

I have learned a lot this way myself.

I think this kind of challenge might stimulate this type of learning more directly than normal challenges.
 01/19/2006 10:33:11 PM · #17
This is a great idea! Do it ..... please :)

Brett
 01/19/2006 10:52:27 PM · #18
I'm a newbie and would be interested in this. I would definitely consider myself lacking in post-processing...I DID finally learn how to add a border on my photos...WOOT! :) Oh, and now I know where the automatic adjusts are on PS Elements 3.
 01/19/2006 11:09:59 PM · #19
Originally posted by jrjr:
I suggest to, periodically, offer an "out of the camera" Challenge. No editing of ANY kind, with the exception of cropping. Photos must be taken in .jpeg only (no RAW).
Purposes:
1) To allow newbies (defined as those new comers who are anxious to learn photography but who do not yet posess editing skills) to compete periodically on a more level playing field.
2) To promote good composition and POV, as a first learning step.
3) To give some positive reinforcement to those beginners who would naturally get higher scores than those to which they may be accustomed.

Of course anyone could enter. There is nothing to lose and perhaps alot to gain. Comments?
--jrjr


I like the idea. But why allow cropping? Just make it out of the camera, as-is. What's in the frame (viewfinder?) affects metering, AWB, and possibly other things.

What about cameras that allow different parameter sets that allow you to set contrast, saturation, sharpness, color tone, etc?

Message edited by author 2006-01-19 23:15:13.
 01/19/2006 11:15:43 PM · #20
I like the idea of a straight off the card challenge, I think it's interest lies not in giving newbies a better shot at the ribbons, but to let everyone see what a shot looks like before people lay their chops down in photoshop.

Of course I doubt anyone would really still be shooting in Adobe or with no bump in contrast or saturation, which is best for post processing, but I still think it would be instructive.
 01/19/2006 11:16:58 PM · #21
Heres a question.. Why does this have to be a challenge? Why don't you just do it for yourself, throw an entry in straight outta the camera uncropped or edited in anyway except scaled to the aloted 640? I doesn't have to be "the" challenge, just a do it for yourself. I have done it, turned out to be my 2nd highest scoring.
 01/19/2006 11:52:29 PM · #22
Originally posted by MQuinn:
Heres a question.. Why does this have to be a challenge?


as a DARE YOU to all photographers, and they have to abide since it's grounds for DQs if the photo is found edited ;)

Message edited by author 2006-01-19 23:53:00.
 01/19/2006 11:59:21 PM · #23
Originally posted by crayon:
Originally posted by MQuinn:
Heres a question.. Why does this have to be a challenge?


as a DARE YOU to all photographers, and they have to abide since it's grounds for DQs if the photo is found edited ;)


Yeah, I believe that is the intent also.
 01/20/2006 12:24:01 AM · #24
I like the idea of 'extra' challenges every now and then. All kinds of different criteria sounds good. Since we have the multiple concurrent challenge thing going on now, maybe they could now and then run a pair of 'invitational' challenges?
For example: a 'Ribbon winners' and a 'Non ribbon winners',
or a 'People who have never scored a 6' and a 'People who have scored 6 and above', or a 'Straight from camera' and a 'Super advanced editing'
or any things like that.

Or maybe other things like: 'Guy members' and 'Girl members', 'Under 40 yrs old' and 'Over 40 yrs old' you could go on and on...
 01/20/2006 12:26:26 AM · #25
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