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01/18/2006 03:31:34 AM · #26 |
| Dude call me on my cell if ya see this... |
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01/18/2006 03:39:32 AM · #27 |
Originally posted by TooCool:
Is that a nice way of saying that first nite voters suck? |
Hey now, I think you're putting words in my mouth that simply aren't there. Nor have I been in this community long enough to be able to weigh, in good confidence, the relative merit of a first-night vote against someone who meanders in at the middle of the challenge. I do know, however, that the eyes start to go bleary by the time 3 am rolls around, and that may factor in to one's ability to carefully judge what is placed before them. :) |
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01/18/2006 03:40:06 AM · #28 |
Originally posted by taterbug:
In fact, I'll echo it- First nite voters suck! :-P |
By the looks of how my Best of challenge entry is going I would say that second and third night voters suck too. Or it could just be my image.
Message edited by author 2006-01-18 03:44:16.
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01/18/2006 03:50:01 AM · #29 |
Thanks for the vote of confidence guys you are awesome
But I still feel about the challenge it was open to interpret the way we wanted and maybe it was out of the box
I dont change my views about the comment I am Not insolent
I do not care if I come last I have before but I know this was a good image and if you think about it It does fit the challenge
Message edited by author 2006-01-18 03:51:49. |
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01/18/2006 04:14:05 AM · #30 |
SAme here
I thought with no challenge parameters I cold safely submit something not obviously "A Sign" or "A Road" but NOOOO
Very poor score and one comment so far who says that it's a stretch on the challenge title?
What's the point in leaving the interpretation up to the photographer if the voters see a challenge topic of "signs" and expect to see "A sign" ....god this place is frustrating at times.
I hope it's just the first rush of the narrow minded and that the more open and free thinking voters are still to vote.
breathe
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01/18/2006 04:15:18 AM · #31 |
| If you like your image, that alone should be enough, no? If people don't get it, it's their loss? |
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01/18/2006 04:23:04 AM · #32 |
Originally posted by rgo:
If you like your image, that alone should be enough, no? If people don't get it, it's their loss? |
If people don't get it they don't get it. Photography is a form of communication. If you need a title to force your message across then the image has failed. I'm all for out of the box, just don't cry when not everyone gets it.
It's kinda like "A picture is worth a thousand words, but I needed a few more (title) to let you know what it really means".
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01/18/2006 04:33:58 AM · #33 |
Kinda disagree with you there nsbca7
To illustrate
IF Ansel Adams had submitted this shot into the "signs" challenge titled "signs of winter" and recieved a 4.3 score due to it not being a "sign" then there's an obvious injustice in agreat photograph being scored low because of the voters narrow minded and literal interpretation of the challenge.
Thats why this site gets so frustrating at times
Steve
p.s. I'm not saying my shot is anything like as good or bears any resemblance to AA's shot or that it is even in the same exclusive challenge. Just a quick example. |
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01/18/2006 05:01:08 AM · #34 |
Just an observation: I find it strange that when a challenge has a two sentence description/definition, and people complain that many of the images do not meet the challenge, we have a wave of people defending the 'out of the box' / 'don't restrict me to the definition' view.
Then as soon as there is a challenge without a description, like road/signs, suddenly the 'meeting the challenge' becomes more strict than if there were a two volume dissertation describing the challenge critera - weird!!
Message edited by author 2006-01-18 05:02:21. |
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01/18/2006 05:04:08 AM · #35 |
Originally posted by Tallbloke:
Kinda disagree with you there nsbca7
To illustrate
IF Ansel Adams had submitted this shot into the "signs" challenge titled "signs of winter" and recieved a 4.3 score due to it not being a "sign" then there's an obvious injustice in agreat photograph being scored low because of the voters narrow minded and literal interpretation of the challenge.
Thats why this site gets so frustrating at times
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Narrow minded? This site is a good sample of the world. If Ansel were to enter this shot from the grave it would first off be disqualified for being shot with film and having the wrong date. If he did get a 4.3 it would be because that is what the members here voted it at. That is what we are all up against and no one is given an unfair advantage over another.
You can title your image "signs of retardation" or "signs of hunger" or "signs of aging" or "signs of whatever you please", but if the image doesn't say "signs" on its own without having to read a title then know for future reference that it more then likely will not do well here.
If you are taking these images to please yourself, then either refrain from entering them in contests or learn not to get upset when they don't do well.
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01/18/2006 05:21:32 AM · #36 |
In my first challenge I recieved a comment that at the time, I thought a little odd but I was trying to keep an open mind & decided it was helpful. Quite some considerable time later, someone else recieved a similar type of comment from this person & posted it in a forum like this with a link to all the comments made by that person. I then discovered that these comments were made by a person who I am sure got some sort of perverse joy from putting down other peoples work. Although putting this in a forum did bring attention to these comments & ultimately this person was banned from dpc as a consequence, I would highly reccommend the advice of reporting this to the site council & PLEASE dont let one persons opinion spoil your efforts by withdrawing your entry.
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01/18/2006 05:25:43 AM · #37 |
My entry in Singled Out was given a very rude comment - I did not post it in the forums as it is not the place. I PM'd the individual back and told them their comment was out of line, then alerted SC. The comment was removed by SC - they do work hard to correct injustices if you give them the chance. I'm glad I did not let that one comment get to me and pull my image - it has been sitting at a 6.0 all along. Not a ribbon score - but a score I am very happy with.
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01/18/2006 07:25:59 AM · #38 |
Take a comment that is cutting into your being from whom it comes, and then pray the following words... "God of mercy, please infest his/her pubic region with the fleas from a thousand camels, if that is too harsh, please make him/her itch in places where they prefer to play and turn their fingers into fish hooks. Amen"
Why can we not just accept that a comment is one thing, good or bad, but an insult or hurting message can never be regarded as a comment per se. It's like saying the United Nations is uniting nations. We all know that is BS;-) |
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01/18/2006 07:47:29 AM · #39 |
Thank you nsbca7
This is exactly what I'm talking about
You can title your image "signs of retardation" or "signs of hunger" or "signs of aging" or "signs of whatever you please", but if the image doesn't say "signs" on its own without having to read a title then know for future reference that it more then likely will not do well here.
So a picture of an old person with the title "signs of ageing" wouldn't do well because without the title you can't see how it fits into the open "signs" challenge with the narrow "signs as a noun" self imposed definition.
Anyway, onwards and upwards. Point taken, and It's only January!!
:-)
Steve
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01/18/2006 08:37:35 AM · #40 |
Blast the darned voters for having their own opinions!
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01/18/2006 09:00:28 AM · #41 |
No reason to pull out. I did not get to see which was your before the editing of the post, but I do know that I did not take a picture of "a road" and its hurting me. Sometimes you get nailed for creativity on DPC. Some of the voters hear "Road" and they want to see asphalt. Lets just say I am in the low 4.?? with my image, and it (in my opinion of course hehe ) is one of the more creative of the bunch. Although there are still some good ones there, some of them are suffering my fate as well I am sure, due to there being no actual ROAD in the photo...I feel your pains my people ;-)~~
So in conclusion, letem rant, let them whine...in the end, it really boils down to whether you liked your shot or not.
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Had to add this as well...there was no description in this challenge, so it was strictly left up the the photogs mind as to what their version of a sign/road was, which is probably whats leading to the problems. Some people see ROAD/SIGN and they take it for exactly what it is... (ps, I still hold a warm place in my heart for you all....even the TROLLS!! ;-)
Message edited by author 2006-01-18 09:04:07. |
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01/18/2006 09:31:35 AM · #42 |
Hi, Sally.
I just read through this thread. My thoughts are: you can't let one person ruin things for you - Life is too short. Most people here are kind, honest, and encouraging. Yes, there are trolls out there, and people who are rude - just like you meet up with in your day to day life off the internet. One difference - when you are dealing with people in person, they are more likely to be polite - on the internet - courtesy and polite responses sometimes get forgotten - probably because the person knows they will never meet you in person.
I find that some of my images that don't do well here, have gone on to win POTD's elsewhere. So when I have an entry that I am proud of (and my Best of 2005 is a great image - and not scoring well right now), I just move on - and compete with it at other sites - and move on . . . . .
Plus, I've found that many of my images start with lower scores and then as the voting proceeds, the score goes up.
Don't let one person get you down! |
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01/18/2006 09:51:54 AM · #43 |
Originally posted by train:
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I am going to pull my image from d p c after a stupid comment
it is very hurtfull after the love and care i put into this
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Ya know, you have to just bite your lip, pick your chin up, and move on.
Critiques are everywhere, and not just DPC! Life, work, home, family, everywhere.
If you are relying on this site to give you direction, then that is your first mistake. Everyone has a comment, and not all comments are fair.
If you really want to get a fair and impartial comment on your work, than sign up to more than one photography site and submit the same photo, if possible. Take those comments, those critiques, compare all responces from every site that you are signed on with, shit can the junk, and take to heart the true values that come with some good photographers.
Don't give up because then you will be giving in.
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01/18/2006 09:56:25 AM · #44 |
Originally posted by American_Horse:
Ya know, you have to just bite your lip, pick your chin up, and move on. |
You bit your lip so hard your chin fell off? Ow!! |
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01/18/2006 10:11:50 AM · #45 |
Originally posted by amber:
Just an observation: I find it strange that when a challenge has a two sentence description/definition, and people complain that many of the images do not meet the challenge, we have a wave of people defending the 'out of the box' / 'don't restrict me to the definition' view.
Then as soon as there is a challenge without a description, like road/signs, suddenly the 'meeting the challenge' becomes more strict than if there were a two volume dissertation describing the challenge critera - weird!! |
Thank you Amber for bring some lighthearted humor to this serious subject. I was laughing out loud here at work, people must think I'm nuts.
Sally,
I looked at your profile, I don't know what your picture was or weather it was pulled or not, however I can see you are a good photographer. You have a good eye and I am sure whatever your picture was it was from the heart and you liked it. Screw anyone else.
Now in an effort of full disclosure, I have been spanked a time or two by the SC and I have had to eat crow once, recently, and I will say this, sometimes something in an image just smacks a person and they have the freedom of the internet to just piss from their mouths without thinking (at this moment I am looking not to proudly at myself in a mirror) and if they thought for a second or looked a little further then their computer screens at the fact that there are real people with feelings on the otherside maybe they wouldn't have said what they said.
This is not an excuse and I am not defending this person, whoever it was and whatever they said if it was one of those times; they should send an apoligy to you. I had to do that, I only hope I didn't hurt this person too much.
On the other hand if you look at my sig you will see what I feel about all of this and how we should react to it.
Hang in there Sally and if asked forgive this person for their slip of senseability. I only know this because I have had one or two in my life.
Oh and I too have had some really stupid comments on my pictures, there is no accounting for taste.
Mike
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01/18/2006 11:29:47 AM · #46 |
Originally posted by gibun:
Take a comment that is cutting into your being from whom it comes, and then pray the following words... "God of mercy, please infest his/her pubic region with the fleas from a thousand camels, if that is too harsh, please make him/her itch in places where they prefer to play and turn their fingers into fish hooks. Amen"
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ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!
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01/18/2006 11:45:29 AM · #47 |
Disclaimer: Neither the picture I rated 1st nor last was JUST of a road, so what do I know.
I think a good picture related to the topic will do well but a great picture nothing to do with the topic will do less well. You KNOW this already, so if you want a higher score shoot for the audience; otherwise enjoy your pic and ignore the score/comments (or post for comments not a challenge).
I think photographers need to get over the personalisation of what the general public think; there will always be a range of opinions in a general population - shoot for the audience. |
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01/18/2006 05:07:09 PM · #48 |
Thank you for the support and I am sorry if I seemed uptight
I am not just boiling!!!LOL! Just an oldie having a senior moment!
I do realise everyone has a different opinion and that I do accept your and others point of view
I do however feel that you thought by your comment that I was some man submitting the image of his girl and to call it 'insolent of the demands of the challenge' is totally unfair
If I see something 'my way' I have a right to upload it
You will be very pleased however that it is doing badly which is totally unfair as I do think it is a good image Dam it is a great image!LOL!
I am not worried about doing badly it has not stopped me before and I do know that I have uploaded a good and bad images
If you go deeper in your mind we all travel the road of life but I see my logic is wasted
I will accept what you have to say and others and realise I am the one who made the mistake
It was left open to to photographer to interpret and I did a lousy job
No hard feelings
Regards
Sally text |
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01/18/2006 05:41:16 PM · #49 |
Train,
You're not uptight. (I don't think so anyhow)
There just some people that are turds.
Colette
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01/18/2006 08:38:13 PM · #50 |
| Train--I'm constantly amazed at the inventive ways that photographers interpret the challenge! Please don't change because someone is so rigid. |
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