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01/01/2006 10:59:49 AM · #1 |
Greetings. I joined the DPC site recently in September 2004. As with many photographers at this site, I take many thousands of photographs every year.
However, I don't keep any of the original unaltered photos, just because I don't have that kind of digital space or physical space to store that many CDs. What I DO keep is the original maximum quality processed photographs that keeps the EXIF info intact.
Obviously, I shoot (and archive) photos not for the sake of DPC, but for myself. If I enter a challenge, I keep the unaltered original for the challenge only, then delete it once DPC's archival process is complete. The only time I ever keep the original (in form of a .psd with various adjustment layers) is if I've extremely post-processed a photo, which is pretty rare.
So my question is this - if I submit something that follows the "advanced editing" rules, but if called upon, cannot provide (which I definitely won't) the original photograph, then should I submit anything at all? I do understand this rule for weekly challenges, but this is a year-long challenge, and I'm not about to change my archival process just for a website (even though I do think DPC is cool). I imagine I'm probably not the only person in this situation, so any clarification would be much appreciated.
Message edited by author 2006-01-01 11:01:05.
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01/01/2006 11:04:37 AM · #2 |
| like all challenges, if called upon for the original, and you can't provide it, you will be dq'd. no exceptions. enter your best shot without having the original, you enter at your own risk ;-) |
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01/01/2006 11:04:46 AM · #3 |
If you cannot provide the original there's little point in entering. I'm surprised to see you saying you NEVER keep originals exfept for challenge purposes. This strikes me as a bad practice; I keep unaltered originals of everything as a matter of course, stored on an external hard drive. You never know what changes may come about as time passes that would cause you to want to revisit the original and reprocess it.
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01/01/2006 11:06:25 AM · #4 |
Originally posted by sestevens:
Greetings. I joined the DPC site recently in September 2004. As with many photographers at this site, I take many thousands of photographs every year.
However, I don't keep any of the original unaltered photos, just because I don't have that kind of digital space or physical space to store that many CDs. What I DO keep is the original maximum quality processed photographs that keeps the EXIF info intact.
Obviously, I shoot (and archive) photos not for the sake of DPC, but for myself. If I enter a challenge, I keep the unaltered original for the challenge only, then delete it once DPC's archival process is complete. The only time I ever keep the original (in form of a .psd with various adjustment layers) is if I've extremely post-processed a photo, which is pretty rare. |
A psd is not an original for verification purposes...
Originally posted by sestevens:
So my question is this - if I submit something that follows the "advanced editing" rules, but if called upon, cannot provide (which I definitely won't) the original photograph, then should I submit anything at all? I do understand this rule for weekly challenges, but this is a year-long challenge, and I'm not about to change my archival process just for a website (even though I do think DPC is cool). I imagine I'm probably not the only person in this situation, so any clarification would be much appreciated. |
I personally would never enter anything that I did not have the original for. With my luck the shot would do good or get a dq request and I would not want the appearance of impropriety... |
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01/01/2006 11:13:44 AM · #5 |
| If you have no original pictures, technically speaking,you have no valid entries in any challenge,this is bad practice,you could be asked at any time for the original.It is like throwing away the negative. |
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01/01/2006 11:17:04 AM · #6 |
I'll likely take skiprow's advice and not submit anything. It's not that big of a deal. I'm not going for a ribbon. I just enjoy sharing photograph and have plenty of ways to do this on and offline.
Bear Music et al - With anything creative - whatever the medium - when I'm done with something, I'm done, no matter how good or bad it may have turned out. I'm not going to revisit it (and KNOW I'm not going to) to do something over, except to hold up and say take into consideration lessons learned. I chalk it up as part of the learning process and attack future tasks with accumulated knowledge of what was done before. I've personally found that this process works for me and I'm lucky enough to get attention for what I do. I do archive my files, EXIF info, etc. for both verification of ownership and whenever I'm displayed in a gallery or exhibit.
Thank you very much for your response, it's much appreciated.
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01/01/2006 11:18:28 AM · #7 |
You have got to have the original image. Period.
You may want to consider your archiving process. This is indeed like tossing the negative. If you run into a copyright issue down the road (theft for example), your unaltered original is the only proof you have that you took the original image.
Just a thought. :) |
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01/01/2006 11:21:19 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by sestevens:
Bear Music et al - With anything creative - whatever the medium - when I'm done with something, I'm done, no matter how good or bad it may have turned out. I'm not going to revisit it (and KNOW I'm not going to) to do something over, except to hold up and say take into consideration lessons learned. |
I'm sorry to hear that you limit yourself so. I'm almost never totally happy with any shot that I've done and to not have the originals to go back to with the knowledge and skills that I will have in the future would kill me... |
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01/01/2006 11:23:31 AM · #9 |
| I have a DVD burner, blank dvds are really cheap these days ( as are burners). Just burn them to DVD and you don't have to worry about harddrive space. |
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01/01/2006 11:25:35 AM · #10 |
I never said I was totally happy with any shot. I said it's part of my own learning process to take everything I learned from the past into future shots. I'd rather keep my permanent creative mistakes. That's cool if you see that as a limitation, I'll just have to keep suffering. :)
Originally posted by TooCool:
I'm sorry to hear that you limit yourself so. I'm almost never totally happy with any shot that I've done and to not have the originals to go back to with the knowledge and skills that I will have in the future would kill me... |
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01/01/2006 11:32:12 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by sestevens:
I never said I was totally happy with any shot. I said it's part of my own learning process to take everything I learned from the past into future shots. I'd rather keep my permanent creative mistakes. That's cool if you see that as a limitation, I'll just have to keep suffering. :) |
You can still keep your mistakes and at the same time strive to correct them! I can not believe that you've never wanted to make a shot that you love even better...
Also, most fine art film photography print makers would make each and every print by hand even though the technology was there to make one and replicat it. Each and every print would be ever so subtly different. This was a part of the artform. |
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01/01/2006 11:38:55 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
If you cannot provide the original there's little point in entering. I'm surprised to see you saying you NEVER keep originals exfept for challenge purposes. This strikes me as a bad practice; I keep unaltered originals of everything as a matter of course, stored on an external hard drive. You never know what changes may come about as time passes that would cause you to want to revisit the original and reprocess it.
Robt. |
When I process my NEF's with Nikon Capture, the exif is altered. I save NEF's with Capture for non-challenge purposes and for challenges I save the edits in a *.set file. When I save the file directly with Capture I can always change it back later and other RAW converters open it and start from sratch again (ignoring Capture). The SC has one of those altered NEF's to check if there is enough info left for validation. I don't think there is but we'll see.
In the meantime I managed to get very close with a jpeg (created in camera along with the NEF), so I'm not in trouble.
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01/01/2006 11:47:11 AM · #13 |
It's not just like that in photography, it's like that in all print-making. I know some fantastic print-makers in the fine arts and I'm amazed at the patience, craft, and individuality that goes into each piece. I'm not saying that I don't love what I do, but I don't get too attached to what I do out of fear of stasis. When I write or edit, I'm unafraid to fine tune a few things. When doing graphic design or webdesign, I'm always tweaking things to make it more effective. When doing architecture - well, once the building is done, there's little I can do about that, but there is a critical process in that as well.
Likewise, I tackle photography with a continual editing process similar to other mediums. But when I'm done with any of those, I move on to the next assignment, and consider everything in the past as a learning experience. I'm always looking back, but I don't take anything back either. Just as I never want to take back my past success, I never want to erase the failures; I'm going to do better next time. It's the way I personally see things now. Will that change? Sure, probably. I think it's always important for a person's creative process to continually change and mature - whatever form that might be - accepted or against the norm. I also think it's important to talk about these things. I've learned a lot from this forum post and how other people see things, it adds to my own spectrum. Thanks again. :)
Originally posted by TooCool:
Also, most fine art film photography print makers would make each and every print by hand even though the technology was there to make one and replicat it. Each and every print would be ever so subtly different. This was a part of the artform. |
Message edited by author 2006-01-01 11:48:32.
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