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07/09/2003 09:37:21 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by kiwiness:
I find that firework photos are very much a part of "Night on the Town", it isn't often you see fire works out in the country anywhere. Personally, I thought there were some very good submissions there. One firework shot I even gave a 10 to.
If there is a photo that doesn't meet the challenge for me, I only subtract 1 point, 2 in extreme cases. I really can't justify giving a 2 to a photo just because it doesn't meet the challenge topic.
I've finished voting on the "Night on the Town" challenge and have given 5 X 10's, 13 X 9's and my lowest score I gave was a 4. But I guess we all vote differently, right? I enjoyed voting on this one.
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I think a large part of the vote score should go towards how well the subject fits into the subject. IMO the whole point of having a new subject for each new challenge is to see how well people can submit a photo that best fits the challenge subject within the challenge time period. If a photo is really outstanding but doesn't quite fit the challenge, then I don't agree with marking it down to a low 1 or 2 either but if you're only going to deduct 1 point for the fact that it doesn't meet the challenge subject......IMO is ludicrous. Why have a subject at all then? I think the majority of the vote should go towards how well the subject fits the challenge subject. IMO the photo itself should do its best to convey the chosen subject without the use of words. You shouldn't have to rely the photo's title to tell the viewer what the photo is meant to be, the title should just merely compliment it.
If for example, a professional photographer working for a racing magazine is asked to cover the Monaco Grad Prix but can only submit one photo then I don't believe he/she would submit this only photo as a shot of the crowd in the grandstand. A shot of the F1 cars themselves would seem more relevant. True, you don't usually see a grandstand in a backyard or in the country but crowds in grandstands can also be seen in other sports. Obviously if the photographer could submit more than one photo, then a grandstand shot would probably seem relevant but in the case of this example and the DP Challenge rules, you only get one shot.
For the "night on the town" challenge I took some really great photo's of fireworks (probably the best fireworks shots I have ever taken!!) but I decided to go with a night shot I took of some people on the street in town, even though IMO it wasn't as good as my best of the fireworks shots. My reason for this choice was that if I decided to show the two photos that I was deciding on (my best of the fireworks and the people in the street shot) to someone who knew nothing about the challenge and asked them to come up with a title for each one, then it would have seemed more likely that their choice of subject for the people in the street shot would be closer to the subject of the challenge than that of the fireworks one.
If I believed everyone votes the same way by deducting only 1 point for a photo not meeting the challenge then I probably would have submitted my fireworks shot instead. It more than likely would have scored higher than my chosen one if only 1 point was deducted from it not meeting the challenge.
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07/09/2003 10:09:19 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by bryskyd:
I think people should be more lienint with the low scores for not fitting the challenge, since which any one of us is expert enough to say what fits the challenge or not.. and more concerned with the subject and quality of the photo. I'll never understand giving a great shot a "2" for not fitting the challenge, but a crappy photo of something that is percieved to be fitting a "6+". Just my 2 cents... |
I see your 2 cents and raise you 4. |
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07/10/2003 02:06:46 AM · #28 |
i used a fireworks picture... yes, i didnt have anything else and this is my first challenge. I did however try and mix it up, made the not so cool anymore nightvision effect (at about 2:30 am) and thought, 'hey its something different' but, i guess by my current 3.5... fireworks are no good. BUT i did learn to check the forums first to see what people do not want to see. :D
i also think that voting should be on how it fits the challenge and tallent, possibly 50/50. My idea is this, if you read the challenge it will tell you exactly what to take. This one said "Photograph a night out, from the bright lights to the gloomy bars, and anything in between." that tells me that even though it may not be what you think... its still in between.
Vote how you want. Im here to learn and thats all i really care about.
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07/10/2003 02:26:53 AM · #29 |
Originally posted by Jaxson:
If I believed everyone votes the same way by deducting only 1 point for a photo not meeting the challenge then I probably would have submitted my fireworks shot instead. It more than likely would have scored higher than my chosen one if only 1 point was deducted from it not meeting the challenge. |
Everyone has a different way of voting in DPC. I may only deduct one or two points if a pic doesn't meet a challenge, others definitely deduct 5 or 6 maybe more. You've even seen from forum threads this week that some people automatically give a 2 if the challenge isn't met! Everyone has their own system of voting and I have mine.
Just as some people think fireworks are not pictures depicting "Night on the Town", I on the other hand think they meet the challenge fully.
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07/10/2003 03:52:05 AM · #30 |
I went to do a night shot of my town on July 3rd and when I set up my tripod, fireworks started (it was not a Independence day celebration). So I made some pretty good photos of town with a fireworks, and I was looking forward to have a good entry in the challenge. But on the next day was July 4th, and when I saw all the fireworks in USA I was pretty disapointed, that I will not be the only one in challenge. Anyway, I sent the photo to the challenge, score is so far good, but I guess it would be better if it would be only one entry with fireworks.
I hate July 4th :)
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07/10/2003 07:44:30 AM · #31 |
Firstly the photo has to meet the challenge - period. This is as bad as all the speedos in the speed challenge. There are some excellent photos but they just do not meet the challenge requirements. There was nothing IMHO to give a 10 to. A 10 should be an oustanding photo - both technically and it meets the challenge so much it leaps out at you.
5 x 10's, 13 x 9's ????
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07/10/2003 08:31:33 AM · #32 |
I think meeting the challenge is EXTREMELY important.. With every picture you're trying to tell a story or share an experience with others.. The challenge tells you what this story or experience should be. When judging I try to work out what my title for the image would be and if this would fit within the bounds of the challenge. With Unanswered Question I got a bit peeved with images that were fitted into the challenge by a question in the title...
I've just marked NIght out and those firework shots that also showed part of a city, people or such I think fitted the challenge.. Individual bursts without this reference I think also fitted but not as well..
I think it's ok to dismiss a photo out of hand if it misses the challenge no matter how well it was shot.. In fact I'd go so far as to say if it was the best image I'd ever seen and it missed the challenge the max it would get would be 3. I imagine I'm a picture editor for a magazine, does this fit the brief... if it's a yes it's in.. if it's a no it's in the bin no matter how good. |
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07/10/2003 09:02:33 AM · #33 |
| I seem to recall saying last week that fireworks would be next weeks spedometer. Strangely, I don't mind them, I think there are a few good ones. I browsed over the night out photos and just did not feel like voting on them. Anyone else?? ONly fair, I didn't put in for this one. |
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07/10/2003 09:06:34 AM · #34 |
| I think the challenge through up a really mixed bag.. Some were quite hard to score.. |
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07/10/2003 09:47:45 AM · #35 |
Originally posted by wingy:
Just wait til the strict challenge interpretations of the nude challenge begin.
"I'm sorry, the lower half of the model's body is shadowed, and she/he very well could be wearing clothing in that shadowed region, so I don't think this fits the challenge. 2"
= ) |
LOL, this is exactly what people are gona say. :) |
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07/10/2003 01:58:58 PM · #36 |
I'm getting REALLY tired of people commenting
"doesn't meet the challenge"
Ok well, whatever do you have anything to say about my pic? NO!?
Then shaddap! |
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07/10/2003 02:35:36 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by Kali:
I'm getting REALLY tired of people commenting
"doesn't meet the challenge"
Ok well, whatever do you have anything to say about my pic? NO!?
Then shaddap! |
So am i - and i make the comment on a regular basis - but the plain facts of the matter is -
1. A challenge is set
2. It has a subject
3. The photo that is submitted needs to meet the challenge subject
Now that aint too hard to understand but people still submit photos that have nothing whatsoever to do with the challenge. I dont think it will ever change unless we have challenges such as
Babies
Children
Dogs
Cats
Speedos
Fireworks
Candles
Wood
etc
etc
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07/10/2003 02:43:58 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by Kali:
I'm getting REALLY tired of people commenting
"doesn't meet the challenge"
Ok well, whatever do you have anything to say about my pic? NO!?
Then shaddap! |
I think the whole point is that if it doesn't meet the challenge, further critiquing it is a waste of time. That's the way I see it at least. If a person can't be bothered to meet the challenge with their photo, why should a voter be bothered to provide comments on it?
Edited to say: with the number of whiners who complain about low scores with no explanation, comments like "doesn't meet the challenge" should be welcomed because then you'll know where your low scores are coming from.
Message edited by author 2003-07-10 15:17:57. |
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07/10/2003 02:51:12 PM · #39 |
chinstrap- Yes, well that's all fine and dandy but I don't think you're getting my point. I don't care if you think it's on topic or not. Give it your crappy low score and move on... I repeat, I don't want to know if you don't think it's on topic. Helpful, funny and critical comments are all more than welcome but how does saying "not on topic" supposed to help or mean anything? It's a waste of time. Now if you have something else to say and manage to slip it in there that's cool but just saying "it's not on topic" is LAME.
Message edited by author 2003-07-10 14:58:48. |
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07/10/2003 03:01:12 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by Kali:
chinstrap- Yes, well that's all fine and dandy but I don't think you're getting my point. I don't care if you think it's on topic or not. Give it your crappy low score and move on... I repeat, I don't want to know if you don't think it's on topic. Helpful, funny and critical comments are all more than welcome but how does saying "not on topic" supposed to help or mean anything? It's a waste of time. Now if you have something else to say and manage to slip it in there that's cool but just saying "it's not on topic" is LAME. |
Thats exactly what I do - give it a crap score - dont waste my time leaving a comment and move onto the next photo - fin -
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07/10/2003 03:03:23 PM · #41 |
''So am i - and i make the comment on a regular basis ''
What i meant by the above was i make comments in the forums not on the photos i voted on. tks
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07/10/2003 03:09:19 PM · #42 |
| AH, ok was a bit confused there... can ya see how i could've taken that either way? It's good to be concise but not always. |
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07/10/2003 03:12:52 PM · #43 |
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07/10/2003 03:20:23 PM · #44 |
I think people's interpretation of "on topic" is far too narrow, at least of those who comment on how important meeting the challenge is. These challenges are not, as is often alluded, a magazine assignment to "shoot a picture of 'X' in a vertical format." This is more like an art class, where you are supposed to give a creative interpretation of the topic.
I think very few people submit photos which are actually "off-topic," although there are usually quite a few which may take more than five seconds to understand the relationship. If you don't "get it" right away, maybe you need to think about it for a while before hitting that three button.
Personally, I would tend to vote a photo with a subtle or odd (but valid) relationship to the topic HIGHER for not being obviously "on-topic."
Not related to my entry:
Fireworks 2003 |
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07/10/2003 03:28:24 PM · #45 |
Sorry but i just dont agree - in the speed challenge there were very few that met the challenge. A prime example was the last placed shot. While it was technically good it had nothing whatsoever to do with the challenge. I take a great deal of time when i vote and i expect the majority spend more than ''five seconds'' when looking at the images.
Does anybody think it would help if the person that submits the photo was allowed to leave comments on their submission?
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07/10/2003 04:09:25 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by chinstrap:
Does anybody think it would help if the person that submits the photo was allowed to leave comments on their submission? |
I've been asking for that for over a year, but the majority seemed to be against it. |
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07/10/2003 04:10:50 PM · #47 |
Leave comments? How? Like the details to be shown along with the submit?
Ok so talking about all this makes me think of one pic in 'a nite out' it's called "My husband is... on the road" I thought it was completely off topic but cute and a very original shot. I gave it a 9 and commented "A nite out in your mind 'eh?"
Message edited by author 2003-07-10 16:11:37. |
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07/10/2003 04:22:13 PM · #48 |
Originally posted by chinstrap:
Sorry but i just dont agree - in the speed challenge there were very few that met the challenge. A prime example was the last placed shot. While it was technically good it had nothing whatsoever to do with the challenge. |
People who complain about "not meeting the challenge" also complain about titles which "explain." Of course, in this case, it obscured.
Go look at that photo again and imagine it with the title of "Beaufort 3" or "Beauforts's Spedometer" and see if you can't find just the tiniest bit of relationship between the photo and a challenge to "depict speed." |
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07/10/2003 04:40:46 PM · #49 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by chinstrap:
Does anybody think it would help if the person that submits the photo was allowed to leave comments on their submission? |
I've been asking for that for over a year, but the majority seemed to be against it. |
Seems to me that it defeats the purpose of photography if you have to use words to explain it. |
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07/10/2003 04:43:24 PM · #50 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
People who complain about "not meeting the challenge" also complain about titles which "explain." Of course, in this case, it obscured.
Go look at that photo again and imagine it with the title of "Beaufort 3" or "Beauforts's Spedometer" and see if you can't find just the tiniest bit of relationship between the photo and a challenge to "depict speed." |
Ive tried - but not it did not help...
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