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07/09/2003 10:52:43 AM · #26 |
It depends which system you want to be part of.
Canon currently have more offerings with Image Stabilization and Ultrasonic motors (Nikon have them as well, but not on a lot of lenses, only 2 has the IS or as they call it, VR).
And, to the myths around the autofocus issue: Some are bad, some are just users expecting too much from the 10D. the 10d has a "normal" autofocus system that does 1 DOF of the widest open aperature (similar to Elan 7 and Rebel series). That is if the focus hits anywhere within the DOF of the original point, then it's in focus. The 1D and 1Ds autofocus mode is similar to EOS 3 and EOS 1v, where the center point focus is in ultra mode, which means 1/3 DOF. More discussions can be found on Fred Miranda's site.
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07/09/2003 11:08:27 AM · #27 |
Check out the "Quite a Coincidence!" thread. Two almost identical photos posted in there ... one taken with the 10D, and one with the D100 :)
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07/09/2003 11:10:44 AM · #28 |
| Im leaning toward the canon...for issues such as low light and long exposure photography. I frequently recognize the resolution and lighting of a canon 10D when browsing photos. However, I can not afford the professional series lenses. I am hoping to buy 2 lenses in the 500 dollar range. Do you have any lens suggestions for me? Best quality for what i can afford? I hope i will not be disappointed in the resolution and light when using a less expensive lens. Though I imagine either camera with the cheapest of lenses would feel like a major upgrade to my minolta. |
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07/09/2003 11:25:46 AM · #29 |
I do not have time to look at all the thread. I am not sure somebody mentioned the crop factor. Focals are multiplied by 1.6 so .. shopt smart ;-)
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07/09/2003 11:31:48 AM · #30 |
Both are excellent cameras and either can be used to produce excellent photos, so it is purely user preference/loyalty to a particular brand. Since you are not tied to a particular lens mount I suggest you also look into Fuji S2 Pro, which is an excellent camera (based on Nikon N80 body) that accepts Nikon F-type mount lenses. I very much like the color out of S2 Pro systems, which allegedly has higher dynamic range then 10D/D100 sensors.
I suggest going to a store and getting a feel of the body of the camera, you may find the 10D/D100/S2 feel better in your hands or you like the way controls are alligned ....
Look at a lot of sample shots, because out-of-camera colors and sharpness seem to vary a lot from brand to brand. I like the way S2 Pro photos look.
Both Canon and Nikon have some excellent lenses. Nikon appears to have an edge in wide angle lenses, especially now with their AF-S 12-24 DX lens. Canon, on the other hand, has an upper hand in telephoto lenses. Canon's IS kicks butt!!! Nikon has VR, which basically does the same thing, but it is still catching up and Nikon VR lenses are more expensive.
Nikon has an upper hand in flash technology, but Canon's E-TTL isn't bad at all.
10D clearly has the upper hand now. However, there are rumors of a D100 replacement ... I guess you'll find out when you buy your 10D/D100/S2. 10D is usable at high ISO, has lower noise and focuses faster, so 10D is the killer camera at the moment. But who knows, maybe tomorrow Nikon will launch a killer cam or Fuji or Oly or Sigma ... you never know. All of them are great it just depends on what you prefer/like in each one.
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I am not sure what your budget is, but you will need at least 2 lenses with 10D/D100 because of the 1.6x crop factor. Proper WA lenses will be expensive for either platform.
Massive Budget: 24-70 2.8L + 70-200 4L IS USM + 50 1L + WA ???
Reasinable Budget: 50 1.4 + 28-135 IS USM or 28-105 USM + Sigma 15-30
Budget Budget: 50 1.8 + 28-135 IS USM
50mm primes are fast, so very usefull for avaliable light photography and make an excellent portrait lens. WA is hard an expensive on 10D because of the damn crop factor, so getting to even 28mm (which is not WIDE angle, IMHO) will take $$$ and anything wider will require even more $$$ (at this point you might as well buy a 1Ds). 28-135 is the recommended normal zoom lens, which is reasonably fast, sharp and has IS. Sigma 15-30, a lens I do not own, is supposed to be a nice trade off for near WA photography with a 10D.
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I have 50mm 1.4 + 28-135 IS, but I shoot film for now ...
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07/09/2003 12:22:27 PM · #31 |
I have the
> canon 28-135
A great starting lens even if with the crop factor, the range is 41-200 so a littleweak on the wide angle side.
> canon 50mm1.8
I do not use that much for now because I am more a zoom guy .. but that's good to have and will be my backup lens while travelling as well)
> canon 17-40
I just bought and that will be my wide angle zoom.
( a little more expensive than the sigma 15-30 but I choose it for quality built, size, possibility of filter and some other reason. even if the additional 2mm would have been nice)(some people are very happy with the 200$ 19-35 tamron/tokina but I had it for one day and did not like it that much personnally. So I decided for 'investment' and went for the 17-40)
> canon 420 flash
Just used it for an entry in the current challenge and got up front a perfect exposition. I like it.
Now .. I am stable .. this is already significant money. if I purchase something else in the future, that would be a telephoto zoom I think.
hope this help potential future buyers
To me for somebody who hesitate between the D100 and the 10D I would advice the 10D ( not saying the nikon is not good at all !). If you do not have lenses already it seems to me the good way to go. Globally I find it easier and 'cheaper' for me to shop in the canon area than the nikon one (for my goals ad purposes).
Lionel
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07/09/2003 04:03:24 PM · #32 |
And also an L lens is supposed to be sharper at either side of the optimum aperture. A 'normal' lens is often a lot softer at its aperture extremes where the Canon L or equal Nikkor remains better.
Personally I am very interested in the new Olympus stuff. The CDD with its large photodiodes is promising when it comes to noise and dynamic range and it would be interesting to see if the new Oly lenses really (noticably) have three times more resolving power and can live up to all the other advantages that Oly claim.
Sitting in the rain at the Dutch TT a couple of weeks ago with my camera stored in its waterproof bag really makes me want a weatherproof camera like the E1. Would also be useful at the ever dusty Le Mans 24h track. A good bulletproof magnesium body is also very useful for taking it with me on a motorcycle and taking it on a hike trough rough terrain.
My advise is to go to a 'good' store and test both camera's with the lenses you have in mind. Take your own media with you and review the results at home. Perhaps one has better image quality, but it feels and operates a lot worse, the body might be great but the lenses operate awful etc.
Message edited by author 2003-07-09 16:05:19.
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07/09/2003 04:09:11 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by grigrigirl:
Im leaning toward the canon...for issues such as low light and long exposure photography. I frequently recognize the resolution and lighting of a canon 10D when browsing photos. However, I can not afford the professional series lenses. I am hoping to buy 2 lenses in the 500 dollar range. Do you have any lens suggestions for me? Best quality for what i can afford? I hope i will not be disappointed in the resolution and light when using a less expensive lens. Though I imagine either camera with the cheapest of lenses would feel like a major upgrade to my minolta. |
On Monday (yes, 2 days ago) I just upgraded from the Minolta DiMage 7 to the Canon EOS-10D. I'd be happy to discuss the camera and lenses with you... feel free to PM me or ask any questions you have here.
-Terry
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07/09/2003 07:18:36 PM · #34 |
welcome to the club CJ
Lionel
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
Originally posted by grigrigirl:
Im leaning toward the canon...for issues such as low light and long exposure photography. I frequently recognize the resolution and lighting of a canon 10D when browsing photos. However, I can not afford the professional series lenses. I am hoping to buy 2 lenses in the 500 dollar range. Do you have any lens suggestions for me? Best quality for what i can afford? I hope i will not be disappointed in the resolution and light when using a less expensive lens. Though I imagine either camera with the cheapest of lenses would feel like a major upgrade to my minolta. |
On Monday (yes, 2 days ago) I just upgraded from the Minolta DiMage 7 to the Canon EOS-10D. I'd be happy to discuss the camera and lenses with you... feel free to PM me or ask any questions you have here.
-Terry |
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07/09/2003 07:54:20 PM · #35 |
If you can't afford L lenses (and who really can?) the suggestion is to either get good consumer grade lenses or PRIME lenses. in your $500 range, it's very limited... the 28-135 IS would be a decent consumer lens, with some money left over for a $80 50 mm prime that is really good.
Stay away from the Rebel type lenses (28-90 I think). You'll get great results with primes, so if you have to fit in the budget and can live with fixed focallengths, that's what i'd get. (probably 20 mm and 50 mm primes. for about $500).
What i have:
20-35 mm Canon (equivalent 32-55mm) - not TOO bad but it definitely have some issues when compared with L lenses or prime lenses.
50 mm Canon - awesome value for the money, the photos from this is as good as the 70-200mm in terms of resolution and sharpness, and better than the 20-35 mm any day.
70-200mm F4L Canon - very nice for the money
What I want:
24-70mm F2.8L :) <- to be my next lens, once Canon comes out with a consumer SLR body for full frame,i'll sell the 20-35 mm lens + the 50 mm lens.
100mm macro
Originally posted by grigrigirl:
Im leaning toward the canon...for issues such as low light and long exposure photography. I frequently recognize the resolution and lighting of a canon 10D when browsing photos. However, I can not afford the professional series lenses. I am hoping to buy 2 lenses in the 500 dollar range. Do you have any lens suggestions for me? Best quality for what i can afford? I hope i will not be disappointed in the resolution and light when using a less expensive lens. Though I imagine either camera with the cheapest of lenses would feel like a major upgrade to my minolta. |
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