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 11/30/2005 02:56:40 PM · #26
Originally posted by Artyste:


I just don't see 4/3rds catching on fully until they decide to change the default print size (or common everyman print size), from 4x6.

When people take photos and go to print, it's generally 4x6 prints. Albums are sold mainly to accomodate 4x6 prints.. we're a society where the 3:2 aspect is king to the everyman.

Until that changes, 4/3rds is just for people that enjoy something different.. or love to print in 8x10 all the time.


The aspect ratio is one reason why I've been moving towards the 4/3rds system. I've always disliked the the enlongated 35mm style 3:2 ratio. Of course I haven't had a 4x6 print made since I got my first film scanner over a decade ago. The screen relaces, in my my mind at least, the use for the 4x6 print. When I find an image that is print worthy the min size is 5x7. When you get past 4x6 all the popular print sizes are closer to 4/3rds than 3:2. Also I read somewhere that a very high percentage (something like 95%) of consumer market of digital cameras have the 4/3rds ratio. And we all know what drives the market, consumers not enthusitists.
 11/30/2005 03:00:08 PM · #27
Originally posted by hyperfocal:
Originally posted by Artyste:


I just don't see 4/3rds catching on fully until they decide to change the default print size (or common everyman print size), from 4x6.

When people take photos and go to print, it's generally 4x6 prints. Albums are sold mainly to accomodate 4x6 prints.. we're a society where the 3:2 aspect is king to the everyman.

Until that changes, 4/3rds is just for people that enjoy something different.. or love to print in 8x10 all the time.


The aspect ratio is one reason why I've been moving towards the 4/3rds system. I've always disliked the the enlongated 35mm style 3:2 ratio. Of course I haven't had a 4x6 print made since I got my first film scanner over a decade ago. The screen relaces, in my my mind at least, the use for the 4x6 print. When I find an image that is print worthy the min size is 5x7. When you get past 4x6 all the popular print sizes are closer to 4/3rds than 3:2. Also I read somewhere that a very high percentage (something like 95%) of consumer market of digital cameras have the 4/3rds ratio. And we all know what drives the market, consumers not enthusitists.


I agree with you, but for some reason, the 4x6 just keeps being the most popular :) We'll see how that goes in the next couple of years though. I don't print much at all, myself, so I don't have a problem with 3:2 *or* 4/3rds
 11/30/2005 10:56:05 PM · #28
Thanks to all your suggestions. The reason my friend do not want an SLR isnt because of money, its because of a rather silly reason - he is afraid of sensor dust problems as he needs the camera for field work - which often includes dusty places.

So can I ask a new question - will dust creep into the body if the lense is not removed/change in his workplace? or is there still micro-gaps as compared to a single housed camera?

Thanks a bunch.

p/s: Can I add that as of now, the Sony R1 seems like the best choice?

Message edited by author 2005-11-30 22:57:14.
 11/30/2005 11:34:17 PM · #29
Originally posted by crayon:
Thanks to all your suggestions. The reason my friend do not want an SLR isnt because of money, its because of a rather silly reason - he is afraid of sensor dust problems as he needs the camera for field work - which often includes dusty places.

So can I ask a new question - will dust creep into the body if the lense is not removed/change in his workplace? or is there still micro-gaps as compared to a single housed camera?

Thanks a bunch.

p/s: Can I add that as of now, the Sony R1 seems like the best choice?


Olympus E-volt 300 and 500 both have a Supersonic Wave Filter which gets rid of dust and they are both dSLR cameras :)
 12/02/2005 03:02:30 AM · #30
I really like my Konica Minolta Dimage A200. //www.dpreview.com/news/0409/04091501kmdimagea200.asp The lens is equal to a 28- 200mm on a 35mm and I also like the pivot monitor so I can see even when shooting low or holding the camera over my head plus it has antishake. It is 8mps. I love the quality of a DSLR but not the size. I need something easy to carry every day. Yes there are compromises compared to a DSLR, but I am happy with them. Quality of pictures is excellent. Not as good in low light or when a quick responce is needed, but there are ways to work around that when you know your equipment and can anticipate your shots.
 12/02/2005 05:15:50 AM · #31
I would get the Fujifilm S9000. I plan to buy this sometime in the next few months as a compliment to my dSLR. I had the S7000, which did a great job.
 12/05/2005 06:56:30 AM · #32
most prosumer cameras have realy small sensors(relatively) so expectedly noise levels are high when above iso400. but some like the sony r1 have APS-C sized sensors which helps with their noise
 12/05/2005 09:44:36 AM · #33
Originally posted by crayon:
Thanks to all your suggestions. The reason my friend do not want an SLR isnt because of money, its because of a rather silly reason - he is afraid of sensor dust problems as he needs the camera for field work - which often includes dusty places.

So can I ask a new question - will dust creep into the body if the lense is not removed/change in his workplace? or is there still micro-gaps as compared to a single housed camera?

Thanks a bunch.

p/s: Can I add that as of now, the Sony R1 seems like the best choice?
Nothing at all silly about being concerned with the sensor dust problem, especially if you know that the camera will be used in a dusty environment. I am not up to date on it but I know Olympus used to sell model that was called "weather resistant" or something like that, could be used in rain but not really waterproof. Likely one of their current models has the same type of sealing.
12/05/2005 09:49:31 AM · #34
Originally posted by coolhar:
Originally posted by crayon:
Thanks to all your suggestions. The reason my friend do not want an SLR isnt because of money, its because of a rather silly reason - he is afraid of sensor dust problems as he needs the camera for field work - which often includes dusty places.

So can I ask a new question - will dust creep into the body if the lense is not removed/change in his workplace? or is there still micro-gaps as compared to a single housed camera?

Thanks a bunch.

p/s: Can I add that as of now, the Sony R1 seems like the best choice?
Nothing at all silly about being concerned with the sensor dust problem, especially if you know that the camera will be used in a dusty environment. I am not up to date on it but I know Olympus used to sell model that was called "weather resistant" or something like that, could be used in rain but not really waterproof. Likely one of their current models has the same type of sealing.

The Olympus Stylus series is weather-resistant, but is of the P&S variety, with (I think) 3x zoom and up to 8MP sensor depending on model. Based on my experience with its non-waterproof predecessor, it might be a pretty good choice for use in "field" situations for documenting work.
 12/05/2005 10:34:05 AM · #35
Originally posted by crayon:
Thanks to all your suggestions. The reason my friend do not want an SLR isnt because of money, its because of a rather silly reason - he is afraid of sensor dust problems as he needs the camera for field work - which often includes dusty places.

So can I ask a new question - will dust creep into the body if the lense is not removed/change in his workplace? or is there still micro-gaps as compared to a single housed camera?

Thanks a bunch.

p/s: Can I add that as of now, the Sony R1 seems like the best choice?


Found what I was looking for. Thanks for the heads up Paul.

Olympus Stylus 500, 600, and 800 are described on the Olympus website as "All-weather reliability: Protective seals and ergonomic curves mean you can use your digital camera with confidence, rain or shine." and "ALL-WEATHER. Sealed and coated in all the right places so you can use it in all types of weather."

In answer to your question crayon, yes, dust will creep into a camera. The fine dust encountered in an industrial workplace or a construction site environment will find it's way into any camera, DSLR or P&S, but much less so if the camera is "sealed".

If price is not a factor - top of the line DSLRs from both Canon and Nikon have sealing against the weather. But that would not prevent dust from entering whenever lenses are changed. If the camera is only going to be used for a certain type of photography that can be accomplished without ever changing the lens that might be the way to go.

If shooting in a dusty workplace environment is the primary intended use for your friend's new camera, they might be better off sacrifacing some of the more advanced features of a top of the line prosumer and go with a sealed P&S. That Sony has the latest and largest sensor, but the Oly Stylus 800 is 8 mp and it has a nice big 2.5 inch LCD. With it selling for $329 at B&H, you could go thru three of them before you paid for the Sony.
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