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RLS

Canon EOS-10D

07/03/2003 06:19:17 PM · #76

I want to get on my soapbox and advocate unlimited editing for these challenges. If you, as a voter, don't like the image quality or it does not meet the challenge vote it down.

I personally want to learn more from folks on this site that extend their photographic abilities through the use of the digital darkroom... And I can't if we don't allow unlimited editing.

If the ability to edit were unlimited then there would be no discussions concerning the legality of the image.

I have been here long enough to know that contest winners with amazing photographs have been disqualified because slight noise was added to resemble grain, date/time was cloned out because the photographer forgot to change the camera settings, and most recently a beautiful image was disqualified because of simple dodging and burning. These images were not edited to destroy the spirit of the original image but to enhance it.

I personally believe one is not truly a photographer until one understands, appreciates, and utilizes the darkroom side of the craft.

So if you want, lay this dead beast down beside the other carcasses and beat it vigorously, but if we allow open editing it will ultimately make us better photographers.

Bob

DavidLevin

07/03/2003 06:42:27 PM · #77

Wow, this is still going, I didnt know posting a forum like this could create such chaos. I guess this will probably be the last one. Firstly, i'd like to thank everyone.

I posted this forum up with an opinion of mine, which was wrong of me in the first place considering that I dont know all that much about editing. But looking back at all the comments I don't regret doing so because I have learned so much from just this one forum. After all, we're all here to further our knowledge in photography. Thanks once again.

Message edited by author 2003-07-03 18:51:17.

magnetic9999

Canon EOS-20D

Sigma 24-70mm f/2.8 EX Aspherical DF for Canon

07/03/2003 06:47:19 PM · #78

it's ok. you didnt create any chaos. this is just what it looks like when people have a conversation :).

Originally posted by DavidLevin:

Wow, this is still going, I didnt know posting a forum like this could create such chaos. I guess this will probably be the last one. Firstly, i'd like to say thank you.

I posted this forum up with an opinion of mine, which was wrong of me in the first place considering that I dont know all that much about editing. But looking back at all the comments I don't regret doing so because I have learned so much from just this one forum. After all, we're all here to further our knowledge in photography. Thanks once again.

RLS

Canon EOS-10D

07/03/2003 07:51:57 PM · #79

Originally posted by DavidLevin:

David,

This is an on going discussion and will continue to be one for some time.

As cliche as it is - "You can please some of the people all of the time or you can please all of the people some of the time but you can't clone out time stamps on DCP."

Bob

GarrickStaggs

Canon EOS-300D Rebel

07/12/2003 06:31:53 PM · #80

I think altering a photo is perfectly ok. In my opinon its the final image that counts. I am forever taking images of locations or simple objects and placing them into a much grander image. It's not that I took a piss-poor photo the first time around and felt I needed to make it better, it was that in my minds eye I saw something MORE. I have taken many photo's of clouds and combined them with other real world elements simply because I could sit in that one spot for years and never get that same shot...the one I saw through my lense and in my mind.

hortopth

Canon EOS-D60

07/12/2003 07:48:00 PM · #81

this should be a permanent thread on this site.
I do agree that the same techniques are used--- but man are easy on Photoshop. On Pshop, anyone can do it- and when they do it, everyone does it exactly the same. That is, there is no skill to acquire, once you know where to click on the function. Having said that, I no longer regard this as cheating. I think it is great that now everyone can do it-- without having the resources of the darkroom that (in my case these days) are not always there.
Be weary of antiquarians (spelling?) who are purists about normal film, larger formats, etc-- I think when they attack modern developments which make photography easier, they are really trying say "only I can do it, back off, its mine"

Goon

Canon PowerShot A300

07/12/2003 08:33:24 PM · #82

Originally posted by Jak:

Originally posted by DavidLevin:
but there are those photographers who have genuine talent and don't need editing or proccesing to make their photos intersting and appealing.

Could you name one?

this is one of Jim Brockman's freakin awesome bubble photos.

No digital manipulation, no digital camera, no photshop.

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

07/12/2003 09:19:47 PM · #83

Originally posted by GarrickStaggs:

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SprObsrvntGrl

Sony DSC-F707

09/12/2003 12:42:53 AM · #84

I will admit, I am fairly new to this site. But, I am not new to photography...film or digital.

Personally, I believe it has nothing to do with the technology or the ability or inability to edit, spot edit, or what have you. However, it does have everything to do with the user of that technology. I myself own a 2 mp camera. When I was working with a larger format, "better resolution" camera, I found I was not as pleased with my images. Conclusion, user error. But, if you can't look out the lense of your camera and be happy with what you see, why are you wasting the time taking the photo to being with?

The last time I checked this was the Digital Photo Challenge, not the Digital Manipulation Challenge. Some editing I can handle, like converting color to black and white, blurring focus to create soft focus effect, etc. But these are all things that can be done inside most digital cameras or in the hands of a skilled user. Converting to black and white is no different than throwing a roll of B&W film in your camera. Removing trees, power lines, buildings, people...doesn't that take away from the spirit of the challenge? Is it really still a photograph when there is nothing original left untouched?

Thank you for letting me have a place to voice my concerns. It is greatly appreciated. :)

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Message edited by author 2003-09-12 00:59:25.

Spork99

OM System OM-1

Canon EF 100mm f/2.8 USM Macro

09/12/2003 02:01:43 AM · #85

Originally posted by Jak:

Cartier-Bresson was notorious for printing his images full frame with minimal darkroom manipulation other than what could be achieved by changing paper contrast and print developer time.

Spork99

OM System OM-1

Canon EF 100mm f/2.8 USM Macro

09/12/2003 02:09:31 AM · #86

Photographs have been manipulated since the beginning of photography. Early Dageurrotypes that were presented factual representations of events were often staged.

Many civil war and other early war photos were staged and altered by moving bodies, discarded weapons and other items. They were not presented as staged.

Alteration of photographs has been going on for a very long time and it is not going to stop. If you don't like it, don't do it. Personally, I look at it much the same way I did the darkroom. It's where I put the final image together to fit my vision.

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