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11/21/2005 12:18:28 PM · #1 |
Does it bother anyone when they hear or see "I would never give a 1, how could anyone give me a 1, blah blah"
1's are there for a reason, and truth be told, I probably give out more 1's than anything else. There is good reason for 1's. |
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11/21/2005 12:23:22 PM · #2 |
Originally posted by Jmnuggy:
Does it bother anyone when they hear or see "I would never give a 1, how could anyone give me a 1, blah blah"
1's are there for a reason, and truth be told, I probably give out more 1's than anything else. There is good reason for 1's. |
Like these hot threads - eh?
Started this thread off with a similar vein: profile hidden during voting
Original Post: Originally posted by Jmnuggy:
just wanted to say how much I hate when people hide their profiles during voting. If you are going to give useless criticism, show who you are. What are people gaining by hiding their profile. Kind of weak in my opinion. |
edit: fix quote bracket
Message edited by author 2005-11-21 12:25:38.
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11/21/2005 12:33:32 PM · #3 |
sometimes they are fun. You get a lot of peoples opinions. I saw that someone wrote about how offended they were when they got a 1 and how they never give 1's out. I didn't agree with them at all, so i thought i would open it up to the rest of the people.
You didn't offer an opinion on the subject. Whats up, do you give out 1's or have a problem with the 1. |
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11/21/2005 01:41:14 PM · #4 |
Nope, because when you see superb photos with 7's and 8's...and ribbons. And they've been given a 1. That bothers me.
There is no reason a well crafted and well composed and well exposed photo should be given a "1".
I am more bothered by the people who vote with only 1 or 10. Or the people who use "1" as a flag and forget to come back and comment.
I personally supported the "required comment" for voting either "1" or "10" (even if it was an anonymous comment) |
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11/21/2005 02:14:17 PM · #5 |
| at times 1's are justified, but i think its wrong to give a 1 because you don't like a photo or because its controversial-unless the photo is also technically "bad" |
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11/21/2005 02:15:00 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by Jmnuggy:
sometimes they are fun. You get a lot of peoples opinions. I saw that someone wrote about how offended they were when they got a 1 and how they never give 1's out. I didn't agree with them at all, so i thought i would open it up to the rest of the people.
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Hi Justin,
If you're curious about opinions, I would suggest that you take some time to read some of the old threads in the forums. If you search, you can find some that pertain to the specific topics you're looking for. This topic, for instance, has been discussed after pretty much every challenge for as long as I can remember. There are likely many views represented in the previous threads, at least to start with. |
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11/21/2005 02:20:19 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by Jmnuggy:
Does it bother anyone when they hear or see "I would never give a 1, how could anyone give me a 1, blah blah"
1's are there for a reason, and truth be told, I probably give out more 1's than anything else. There is good reason for 1's. |
It's a good thing that you like 1's and it's funny how these things work...
What I tend to find, is that the more you give, usually means, the more you get...
It's a combo of three things...personality, talent and bad karma.
Enjoy! ;)
Message edited by author 2005-11-21 14:21:46. |
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11/21/2005 03:21:22 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by Jmnuggy:
Does it bother anyone when they hear or see "I would never give a 1, how could anyone give me a 1, blah blah"
1's are there for a reason, and truth be told, I probably give out more 1's than anything else. There is good reason for 1's. |
Justin, could you please answer two questions for me:-
1. What ARE your "good reasons" for giving a one?
2. Why have you not entered more challenges yourself?
No hidden agenda here - just curious>
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11/21/2005 04:09:26 PM · #9 |
my only reasons for a 1 are...
doesn't fit challenge. This is an automatic. Example, single light source challenge. Any photo with the sun as the light source got a 1 no matter how compelling the photo.
Snapshots of babies, pets, and kid's sporting events. These challenges are designed to promote thought in your photography, a photo that is a snapshot and happens to fit a challenge gets a 1 in my book. Usually these snapshots are technically bad, but its the fact that no thought went into it, it wasn't planned, and usually poorly executed.
I haven't entered challenges because I just got my XT and just signed up. The landscape was my first entry which didn't do well at all partly becaues it was last minute and I had nothing else. I entered single light source and it is doing pretty well. I had a picture for camoflage, but didn't realize I could only enter 1 challenge at a time. I plan to enter either odd or even.
By the way, me giving 1's has no effect on me getting 1's. The 1's I give are justly deserved and I don't give them a 3 just to be nice. judging is not meant to be nice hence the term judge. Judging should be honest and sometimes brutal. No one benefits from getting a 3 for an aweful photo. Its not karma or anything supernatural. Get with it. |
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11/21/2005 04:15:50 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by Jmnuggy:
By the way, me giving 1's has no effect on me getting 1's. The 1's I give are justly deserved and I don't give them a 3 just to be nice. judging is not meant to be nice hence the term judge. Judging should be honest and sometimes brutal. No one benefits from getting a 3 for an aweful photo. Its not karma or anything supernatural. Get with it. |
That may be, but on your one posted entry so far, "Landscape", you got 44 1's, 40 2's and 74 3's, so people could be excused in thinking the principle obtains :-)
R. |
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11/21/2005 04:31:02 PM · #11 |
did you see the photo? first off it didn't fit challenge, second it was very dark once up on dp challenge. There is no mysterious connection to how many 1's someone gives and how many they receive.
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11/21/2005 04:35:57 PM · #12 |
Ok, so it boils down to personality and talent...?
I'll go with that.
I was throwing in the karma just to be nice...
;)
I'm just playing around but I hope you never find yourself in front of a real judge who plays by your rules....and who ever said judges have to be mean? Haven't you ever watched the TV show Night Court???
Your's Truly,
Kinesaw Mountain Landis
Message edited by author 2005-11-21 16:40:24. |
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11/21/2005 04:40:58 PM · #13 |
Justin, I give some ones myself but I disagree with you a bit on reasons for giving ones, when I vote I look at 3 separate components:
1- Fitting the Challenge
2- Creativity
3- Photo Quality
I give a 1 if all three were really poor.
I give a 10 if either all three were very good, or two of the three components were excellent, and sometimes if one is superior and two are okay, but most of my votes are in the 4-7 range.
My disagreement with you is that if snapshot were nicely composed and processed, and were pleasant to the eye and happen to match the challenge only a bit, it's a little unfair to ignore all the other good aspects of the photo and give it a 1 .. Just my 2 cents on the subject.
Message edited by author 2005-11-21 16:42:45. |
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11/21/2005 04:51:12 PM · #14 |
i agree, it can be a nice photo and not fit the challenge. Just because a photo gets a 1 doesn't mean it is a bad picture, it just is bad for the challenge. I think a pic that doesn't meet a challenge should get a 1 no matter how great a photo. This doesn't mean I dislike the photo, it just means in terms of this challenge it gets a low mark. To me its like if someone turned in "Silence of the Lambs" as an entry for a comedy film. Great flick just not for the challenge.
Some snapshots are fine and do OK, and I even vote them high if they are done well, but they really have to be done well. The ones I hate are usually displayed on the last page of any challenge, they barely fit the challenge and they look rushed and poorly executed.
Personality has nothing to do with voting either. Im not mean, i just stick to my guidelines for voting. I don't vote someone higher just to be nice. I give 10's when deserved (some people don't at all). By the way I don't ever vote 1 just because I didn't like the subject. |
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11/21/2005 05:00:43 PM · #15 |
Justin - May people judge you as harshly as you judge others. It must feel great to have the power to hand out those ones! May you also get to experience someone peeing on your dream just because they can. honestly, I am sick of the nastiness that I have seen here lately. Why can't people be supportive of others - We are all here to learn! I literally picked up a camera in July of this year, yes 4 months ago. Everything I know I learned here. We should be celebrating what a great site we have found here and vote to encourage not discourage!
Message edited by author 2005-11-21 17:03:13. |
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11/21/2005 05:03:28 PM · #16 |
Yeah but Jeffrey Dahmer might have found Silence of the Lambs to be hysterical beyond words and maybe he entered a photo into a Comedy Film Challenge...?
Who are you to judge what other people find funny or not?
Ease up a bit, there's plenty of room inside the box and outside of the box...
Stick to your guns, though...I don't expect to change your mind. You can hand out ones like pennies, for all I care. |
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11/21/2005 05:27:57 PM · #17 |
While my DNMC scores range from 1 to 3 depending on composition and technicalities, I have no problem with Jmnuggy's giving 1's to entries he feels DNMC. To me that is better than giving a 9 or 10 because it is a great photo. These are not free studies! I do not think it is mean to score a 1, even though some are new here. I hope he leaves comments telling why he gave the 1--I learn more from the comments than I do from the actual score.
Is a portrait really a landscape? Maybe it is everyone's right to define the box during judging, and if my definition is different than yours who is to say which one of us is correct? |
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11/21/2005 05:55:15 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by Jmnuggy:
i agree, it can be a nice photo and not fit the challenge. Just because a photo gets a 1 doesn't mean it is a bad picture, it just is bad for the challenge. I think a pic that doesn't meet a challenge should get a 1 no matter how great a photo. This doesn't mean I dislike the photo, it just means in terms of this challenge it gets a low mark. To me its like if someone turned in "Silence of the Lambs" as an entry for a comedy film. Great flick just not for the challenge.
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I tend not to give ones, as I figure different people simply have different approaches to this site. I find that many images fall into grey areas in a challenge, and try to figure out what someone's perspective is on that challenge. If a particular shot baffles me, then I just don't vote on it. You can give all the ones you like, it is not going to bother me.
Personally I love making people think, and try not to meet the challenge without being creative..I am sure some people just give me a one and move on....that doesn't change the way I see things.
It would be fun to see who gave what mark on a given challenge..perhaps it is just a few people, meaning someone else's 4 (their bottom score) is no different.
So as far as how individuals score it is irrelevant as long as they are consistent.. |
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11/21/2005 06:14:42 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by "Jmnuggy":
Any photo with the sun as the light source got a 1 no matter how compelling the photo. |
Why, is not the sun a single light source?
Originally posted by "Jmnuggy":
Snapshots of babies, pets, and kid's sporting events. |
Gee, I wonder how you would have voted in the pets challenge. And I have seen some amazing shots of babies, pets, etc.
Anyways,...I'll be blunt...
I think from your statements above that your acting like an arse...
So I guess I can presume that some of the recent ribbon winners that featured baby girls in them would have received a "1" not on the merits of the photo, nor on the merits of it matching the challenge...just merely for having a baby girl.
Frankly, I judge all photos based on their photographic merit & application within the challenge. I frankly, think anyone who simply says "if x content is in the photo I give it a one".
I do understand personal preferences, and realize that it is totally understandable to shift a score a point one way or the other due to personal appeal of content.
ie: I love cats and dislike dogs. Thus, more often than not a cat photo is more appealing to me than a dog photo. If I am at 6.5 then I am more likely to go with the 7 for a cat and more likely to go with the 6 for a dog. Personal appeal...and I understand that.
However, if I voted every photo with a dog a "1" than I would consider such behavior inappropriate. And I would think I quite deserved the title of "being a jackass".
*shrug*
Now, I am not one who says one should never give out ones. When I see a blurry, out of focus photo of something that does not match the challenge or cannot be clearly viewed enough to determine that it does. Well, then I mark it with a "1". But it's rare that I do...just as it's rare that I give out 10's. In fact, such a 10-pt scale your 1's and 10's should be roughly on par.
Message edited by author 2005-11-21 18:15:05. |
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11/21/2005 06:36:55 PM · #20 |
Well, congrats Jmnuggy...you managed to get another one of these going.
;^)
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11/21/2005 06:38:54 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by chaimelle:
These are not free studies! I do not think it is mean to score a 1, even though some are new here. I hope he leaves comments telling why he gave the 1--I learn more from the comments than I do from the actual score.
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He has only left 22 comments and some of those are "this is a sunset and this is a snapshot". If he gives a lot of 1's which he says he does, then no, he does not comment on all the ones he hands out. |
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11/21/2005 06:43:37 PM · #22 |
"Never argue with an idiot, because other people
find it hard to tell the difference." |
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11/21/2005 07:34:40 PM · #23 |
the sai,
the sun is a single light source, but the challenge was for an artificial light source so yes sunsets get 1's. obviously the pets challenge its ok for snapshots as with a babies challenge, but not for most. when people just snap a shot and enter it into a challenge with no thought or planning it deserves a 1, obviously the nice ones do well, don't take everything so literal, use a bit of common sense.
I do not leave a lot of comments, the 1's i usaully give, they know why they are a 1.
glad2beadad,
you have no right to accuse me of anything, i saw your comments in that 'texas' thread. talk about trying to shake the boat, you said that you should move to texas because seems like these people have good sound values. that was your remark to them banning gay marriage.
besides, i asked for peoples opinions. i never became agressive, i just ask questions. this turns into a rant because of others. |
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11/21/2005 08:33:20 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by Jmnuggy:
... this turns into a rant because of others. |
Ummm...YOU started this thread as a RANT, as was the other I mentioned you were the OP for.
I have to say you do provide a darn good chuckle. ;^) That said, this is my last waste of time spent in this arena. Have fun.
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11/21/2005 08:48:45 PM · #25 |
| If he's consistent, I got no issue with him giving out 1's. The scale is from 1 to 10, not 4 to 10. That being said, I think it's been a while since I've given a 1. I take it back, I gave a 1 to the crooked, thumb showing, landscape with a snowman. Unfortunately I went back and found out it was taken by a two-year old. Don't you feel mean at that point? "you suck dude! oh wait, you are two..." |
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