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 11/21/2005 12:21:15 AM · #26
Originally posted by deapee:

If the validity of your submitted photograph comes into question, you may be asked to submit your original, unmodified photograph and steps to recreate your submitted photograph from your original photograph.

All it says is that you MAY be asked to provide editing steps...not that you MUST record them exactly, and if you don't, and your editing skills and time involved is more than that of the site council, you will be DQ'd. Technically, he followed the rules (assuming he followed basic editing).


I don't understand that. If you MAY be asked to show your registration to a policeman, then that means you are REQUIRED to keep a copy of it in your car. You might never be asked to show it (hence the "may") but you do have to be prepared to show it. Same with editing steps.

IMO...

R.
 11/21/2005 12:24:31 AM · #27
Originally posted by hollisterGq:
list me everything that is allowable in basic editing.. or list me what isnt allowable that might be easier..

but i think this is rediculous honestly!


Try reading the rules... you may gain some insight from that.
 11/21/2005 12:25:17 AM · #28
I'm playing with your images, and I can get close to your final, but I'm curious as to how you got the light levels to fall off so much on the outer edges of the photos.

Message edited by author 2005-11-21 00:53:27.
 11/21/2005 12:27:40 AM · #29
selective color is allowed though correct?

I used brightness/contrast, selective color, highlight/shadows.. levels i think that was it.. what did I use wrong?
 11/21/2005 12:30:18 AM · #30
Originally posted by deapee:
so he's penalized because YOU ALL can't do what he did under basic editing?


Perhaps you could provide some much needed assistance to the Site Council Deepea and enlighten them as to what it is this person did... obviously you feel you are much more talented in that perspective than they are...

Originally posted by deapee:
Technically, he followed the rules (assuming he followed basic editing).


... and this is the question isn't it??? Did he follow the rules... perhaps we will never know.... he may not have the requisite records to demonstrate that he did indeed follow prescribed norms.

Ray

Message edited by author 2005-11-21 00:43:30.
 11/21/2005 12:34:46 AM · #31
Originally posted by hollisterGq:
selective color is allowed though correct?

I used brightness/contrast, selective color, highlight/shadows.. levels i think that was it.. what did I use wrong?


I'm gonna try to replicate it myself. Off to PS...
 11/21/2005 12:45:21 AM · #32
I can get it to here with levels, hue/sat, contrast alone. Nothing I do can replicate that sharply-defined, narrowing-in of the shadow on the right side. There's no gradation of light even close to that in the original.



Hollister's entry, for comparison:



For what that's worth...

R.

Message edited by author 2005-11-21 00:46:39.
 11/21/2005 12:46:23 AM · #33
That's almost exactly where I got to bear. Even adding blacks through selective color you can't do it.
 11/21/2005 12:47:41 AM · #34


It's a quick job, but here's what I could get.
 11/21/2005 12:48:19 AM · #35
I'm not a professional, but after only 10 seconds look, I will be highly surprised if anybody can duplicate this with basic editing. The key will be the floor on the right side of the guitar. There is no way I can see how to get part of the floor to remain bright and contrasty while having the section right next to it suddenly be black.

Good job done again by the SC. They know what they're doing folks.
 11/21/2005 12:54:07 AM · #36
Originally posted by mavrik:
That's almost exactly where I got to bear. Even adding blacks through selective color you can't do it.


Right. It darkens the floor more evenly right down to the edge of the guitar.

R.
 11/21/2005 12:57:17 AM · #37
Originally posted by bear_music:
Originally posted by mavrik:
That's almost exactly where I got to bear. Even adding blacks through selective color you can't do it.


Right. It darkens the floor more evenly right down to the edge of the guitar.

R.


I can't get it to fall off either... under basic editting... I can quickly with a whip of the lasso.
 11/21/2005 01:00:14 AM · #38
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
I can't get it to fall off either... under basic editting... I can quickly with a whip of the lasso.


Exactly - you can do it with a quick mask, layer, lasso, marquee tool or nik filter.

But not in basic.
 11/21/2005 01:08:30 AM · #39
i cant do it either. There is a spot on the bottom left that hoilster has black that is darker than the area that the floor shows under the guitar in his entry.
 11/21/2005 01:16:54 AM · #40
One of the popular ways to achieve the end result is by making an oval selection and then applying levels with about 40% feathering and pushing the dark of the curve.

Now, I am not suggesting that this was done but the mystery remains in the halo effect. It is a feat that is beyond my knowledge.

Your effort to reproduce this will certainly serve as a lesson that many of us are willing to learn.

Regardless of the outcome the final image is quite attractive.
 11/21/2005 01:20:01 AM · #41
Originally posted by graphicfunk:
One of the popular ways to achieve the end result is by making an oval selection and then applying levels with about 40% feathering and pushing the dark of the curve.

Now, I am not suggesting that this was done but the mystery remains in the halo effect. It is a feat that is beyond my knowledge.

Your effort to reproduce this will certainly serve as a lesson that many of us are willing to learn.

Regardless of the outcome the final image is quite attractive.


Ditto what Daniel said: if you CAN replicate this in basic and show us the steps, it's a very interesting thing to learn.

R.
 11/21/2005 01:20:16 AM · #42
Originally posted by graphicfunk:
Regardless of the outcome the final image is quite attractive.


I agree, I voted this image a 9. It's a great image.
 11/21/2005 01:28:37 AM · #43
It wasn't too very long ago when this image of mine was DQ'd



And a lot of you guys tried to help me reproduce my results. All of us were unsucessful. I don't feel so bad about my DQ now, I admit I was irate at the time. But, I've learned to be more careful (and make more documentation) in my editting.

The DQ is not the end of the world, I know it feels bad when it happens. Don't let it get ya down. It's an awesome shot.
11/21/2005 08:06:21 AM · #44
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Perhaps you could provide some much needed assistance to the Site Council Deepea and enlighten them as to what it is this person did... obviously you feel you are much more talented in that perspective than they are...


I never said that...see, you're being a smarty pants, and I was just trying to defend someone that didn't have anyone else on their side.

Originally posted by RayEthier:
and this is the question isn't it??? Did he follow the rules... perhaps we will never know.... he may not have the requisite records to demonstrate that he did indeed follow prescribed norms.

Ray


I agree, and I was trying to make a point, it doesn't say "If you do not have the exact editing steps, you will be disqualified". Maybe that section in the rules can be re-written then, because obviously he didn't understand.

Am I saying he shouldn't be disqualififed? No...I'm not saying that, I'm saying that it was a misunderstanding and possibly it could be clarified so this doesn't happen again.
 11/21/2005 08:08:49 AM · #45
Originally posted by bear_music:
I don't understand that. If you MAY be asked to show your registration to a policeman, then that means you are REQUIRED to keep a copy of it in your car. You might never be asked to show it (hence the "may") but you do have to be prepared to show it. Same with editing steps.

OK...and what happens if you do not have your registration to show to the policeman? I'm sure that's in the law book somewhere...
 11/21/2005 08:22:04 AM · #46
Originally posted by deapee:
Originally posted by bear_music:
I don't understand that. If you MAY be asked to show your registration to a policeman, then that means you are REQUIRED to keep a copy of it in your car. You might never be asked to show it (hence the "may") but you do have to be prepared to show it. Same with editing steps.

OK...and what happens if you do not have your registration to show to the policeman? I'm sure that's in the law book somewhere...


Usually, assuming that when they run the plate the record shows the car is actually registered in your name, you get a ticket and have to pay a fine. Same thing for having proof of insurance.
 11/21/2005 08:24:07 AM · #47
Originally posted by deapee:
OK...and what happens if you do not have your registration to show to the policeman? I'm sure that's in the law book somewhere...


You have a complaint filed against you, which you go to court for. If you show them your registratino at the time, you get fined. If you don't have one, well then it depends on the state. Either way, there is a punishment.

The point is if he can reproduce his steps, he'd be off the hook. If he can't - well the punishment is there.

(And DP - if bear, graphic, me, mesmeraj, you and SCs like Kirbic can't reproduce this effect - it can't be done in basic. I know that's not 100% but look at the brightness values - it can't be done).

M
 11/21/2005 08:24:27 AM · #48
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by deapee:
Originally posted by bear_music:
I don't understand that. If you MAY be asked to show your registration to a policeman, then that means you are REQUIRED to keep a copy of it in your car. You might never be asked to show it (hence the "may") but you do have to be prepared to show it. Same with editing steps.

OK...and what happens if you do not have your registration to show to the policeman? I'm sure that's in the law book somewhere...


Usually, assuming that when they run the plate the record shows the car is actually registered in your name, you get a ticket and have to pay a fine. Same thing for having proof of insurance.


Actually, I think you have a set amount of time to show it at the police station (I believe within 24 hours)...but that's not my point.
 11/21/2005 09:50:54 AM · #49
Originally posted by deapee:
OK...and what happens if you do not have your registration to show to the policeman? I'm sure that's in the law book somewhere...
In my state you would automatically get a citation which carries a modest fine, - no ifs, ands, or buts. And you would immediately be suspected of having stolen that car.

On the few occasions when one of my entries had to be validated I have never been able to submit the exact steps used in editing, just my best recollection of them. That has always been acceptable to SC. But then again, I never use any of the more exotic digital art type techniques.

But more to the point of the thread - I looked at the entry and the original as soon as they were posted. My untrained eye immediately seized upon the area to the right of the guitar's body and I thought dodge & burn. I started to post about my impression but held back because I really don't feel confident enough to speak on that stuff when a DQ is being considered. After reading the posts of people with a whole lot more expertise than me (read bear and funk) I feel a certain small amount of vindication. I think SC should feel a big amount of the same thing, just in case there was ever any doubt.
11/21/2005 10:21:40 AM · #50
I guess I'm just gonna have to deal with it, I thought my image might actually place decent, but since I can't even figure out how I got it the way it is, I'm screwed. I appreciate everyone for trying to help!
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