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11/16/2005 08:34:32 PM · #51 |
I took this right before the challenge window opened. Too bad it was not during the challenge window because I think it may have done well. I was going to call it Camo-cock :-) 
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11/16/2005 08:36:28 PM · #52 |
I would have likely given it a 5 or 6. I like the ones that are truly camo in nature...my 2nd favs are the ones that were setup in some fasion.
Originally posted by jlsnads:
I took this right before the challenge window opened. Too bad it was not during the challenge window because I think it may have done well. I was going to call it Camo-cock :-) |
Message edited by author 2005-11-16 20:37:11. |
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11/16/2005 08:58:24 PM · #53 |
Votes: 111
Views: 167
Avg Vote: 3.8919
Yey! It went up. I approve of the night voters for sure. :-D |
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11/16/2005 09:07:55 PM · #54 |
Originally posted by wavelength:
Anonymity is only to protect the system from friends voting other friends higher on purpose, and voting down people that they don't like personally, or who have just pissed them off. Once you've made a vote there's no reason to go back and change it just to be petty about anonymity.
Finding out who it is and then changing the vote is what the anonymity is there to keep from happening, if then you go changing your vote because someone broke the anonymity, it becomes sort of ironic, don't cha think?
This is a photo popularity contest, not a people popularity contest, your vote should have no reflection on whether or not you like someone or what they did, including breaking anonymity. |
I think the threat of people voting you down for blowing anonymity is a valid method of discouraging undesirable behavior. Have you got a better suggestion?
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11/16/2005 09:09:19 PM · #55 |
Last night I was on 6.9 and went to bed very pleased with myself. Woke up this morning on 4.9! It sitting on 5 now.
Votes: 116
Views: 159
Avg Vote: 5.0603
Comments: 7
Favorites: 1
Wish Lists: 0
Updated: 11/16/05 09:05 pm
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11/16/2005 09:10:51 PM · #56 |
Originally posted by bandit:
Last night I was on 6.9 and went to bed very pleased with myself. Woke up this morning on 4.9! It sitting on 5 now.
Votes: 116
Views: 159
Avg Vote: 5.0603
Comments: 7
Favorites: 1
Wish Lists: 0
Updated: 11/16/05 09:05 pm |
Maybe because your subject wasn't "smiling" ;D |
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11/16/2005 09:13:12 PM · #57 |
Wow...how many votes were cast when you had a 6.9? I also see your shot is a favorite of someone.
Originally posted by Rikki:
Originally posted by bandit:
Last night I was on 6.9 and went to bed very pleased with myself. Woke up this morning on 4.9! It sitting on 5 now.
Votes: 116
Views: 159
Avg Vote: 5.0603
Comments: 7
Favorites: 1
Wish Lists: 0
Updated: 11/16/05 09:05 pm |
Maybe because your subject wasn't "smiling" ;D |
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11/16/2005 09:15:31 PM · #58 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
Originally posted by wavelength:
Anonymity is only to protect the system from friends voting other friends higher on purpose, and voting down people that they don't like personally, or who have just pissed them off. Once you've made a vote there's no reason to go back and change it just to be petty about anonymity.
Finding out who it is and then changing the vote is what the anonymity is there to keep from happening, if then you go changing your vote because someone broke the anonymity, it becomes sort of ironic, don't cha think?
This is a photo popularity contest, not a people popularity contest, your vote should have no reflection on whether or not you like someone or what they did, including breaking anonymity. |
I think the threat of people voting you down for blowing anonymity is a valid method of discouraging undesirable behavior. Have you got a better suggestion? |
I think your suggestion would be in breach of the site rules and a better method would be to inform SC. |
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11/16/2005 09:21:10 PM · #59 |
Let's end this now...! I posted some comments that were given to me on the Camouflage challenge. I took out references to my shot and ALSO changed some words like...GREAT to Very Good just to not give my shot away....
...Coolhar commented that if he found out that I posted his comment on a forum he would change his vote for me to a 1. Personally I don't think that is right but what the hell...if that's how he judges photos then so be it....
I'm ok with the whole thread...
Originally posted by keegbow:
Originally posted by coolhar:
Originally posted by wavelength:
Anonymity is only to protect the system from friends voting other friends higher on purpose, and voting down people that they don't like personally, or who have just pissed them off. Once you've made a vote there's no reason to go back and change it just to be petty about anonymity.
Finding out who it is and then changing the vote is what the anonymity is there to keep from happening, if then you go changing your vote because someone broke the anonymity, it becomes sort of ironic, don't cha think?
This is a photo popularity contest, not a people popularity contest, your vote should have no reflection on whether or not you like someone or what they did, including breaking anonymity. |
I think the threat of people voting you down for blowing anonymity is a valid method of discouraging undesirable behavior. Have you got a better suggestion? |
I think your suggestion would be in breach of the site rules and a better method would be to inform SC. |
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11/16/2005 09:51:03 PM · #60 |
You know, I was holding at 6.2andchange and very happy. My highest score ever, I worked hard, learned a lot and I liked this shot and am very proud of it.
and then within a few hours - my score PLUMMETED to the low 5's. And there wasn't a terribly high number of new votes to make this happen.... So I'm thinking WTF happened here? My shot had been really well received, I had a favorite on it and everything, great comments...
MMMM, looks like I found the culprit.
Thanks a lot everyone. *sigh*
I'm going to remind myself that at the end of this everyone who went and changed the votes to a 1 out of spite is going to feel the karma someday and try not to let it jade me. I'm also going to not touch my voting on this at all for the next week because I know my own feelings of dissapointment will shade it.
*insert headshake* Somedays I marvel that the under 18 crowd on DPC can me more mature than the adults....
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11/16/2005 09:53:47 PM · #61 |
How did you find the culprit? My score did the same thing as yours...I don't know why....help!!!!!!!
Originally posted by notesinstones:
You know, I was holding at 6.2andchange and very happy. My highest score ever, I worked hard, learned a lot and I liked this shot and am very proud of it.
and then within a few hours - my score PLUMMETED to the low 5's. And there wasn't a terribly high number of new votes to make this happen.... So I'm thinking WTF happened here? My shot had been really well received, I had a favorite on it and everything, great comments...
MMMM, looks like I found the culprit.
Thanks a lot everyone. *sigh*
I'm going to remind myself that at the end of this everyone who went and changed the votes to a 1 out of spite is going to feel the karma someday and try not to let it jade me. I'm also going to not touch my voting on this at all for the next week because I know my own feelings of dissapointment will shade it.
*insert headshake* Somedays I marvel that the under 18 crowd on DPC can me more mature than the adults.... |
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11/16/2005 09:56:08 PM · #62 |
You have rated 168 of 169 images (99%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 21 images (12%) in this challenge.
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11/16/2005 09:56:11 PM · #63 |
Originally posted by notesinstones:
changed the votes to a 1 out of spite |
WTF???
What on earth is happening with this site lately?
Everything a man says suddenly turns into "so and so is voting 1's"
*runs to the bar* |
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11/16/2005 09:58:07 PM · #64 |
I really don't think that a lot of people really got this challenge... there are a lot of "willy nilly" photographs that i'm noticing... did nobody put any deep thought into this at all? If people really look at the photos and look beyond the initial photo, there is more to it than at first glance...
Everybody put on their thinking caps and remind yourself of the camouflage definition before voting...
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11/16/2005 10:13:00 PM · #65 |
Originally posted by kenskid:
How did you find the culprit? My score did the same thing as yours...I don't know why....help!!!!!!!
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I'm not pointing fingers at anyone here. I'm saying this thread has people up in a fury and scores are dropping like flies. My "culprit" is this thread. That people are acting immature, changing votes to make a point - whatever. I wasnt paying attention to this thread but have been hanging around long enough to notice that when a score drops with a fury like that - its usually because a large number of people are pissed off for some reason or have been influenced by something someone said.
Just putting a big red sticker on this for my own reference. Its not that my picture is bad, its that some annonomous people are acting petty. (Probably not posting, just reading and being influenced or angered - I know I read the forums for a year and voted for a year before I said a word or posted a pic for a challenge...)
Sheesh.
I just wanted to show my nice picture and get some comments about how to do better next time...
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11/16/2005 10:27:47 PM · #66 |
Originally posted by kenskid:
...Coolhar commented that if he found out that I posted his comment on a forum he would change his vote for me to a 1. |
Just to keep the record straight, what I said was "I would be tempted to go back and change my vote to a 1. Anonymity is an essential part of the challenge concept here at dpc. People need to pay it more respect."
And also just for the record, I have an entry in Camouflage but I haven't started to vote the challenge yet. My score has gone down, but not in an abnormal manner.
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11/16/2005 10:35:57 PM · #67 |
Originally posted by keegbow:
... a better method would be to inform SC. |
That doesn't work.
How often do you see any SC members speak out about protecting anonymity? Not nearly as often as other forum poster do. And when they do speak on the subject it is usually in the mildest possible terms.
Only when there is a really drastic breach, such as an entry image posted in a thread or described in detail, do they do anything about it. Even then it is only to correct the error, never anything more serious that might act as a deterent, or some seriously strong guidance to the community.
Got any others suggestions? Anyone?
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11/16/2005 10:44:31 PM · #68 |
Someone added my Camo shot to their favs list today.....always nice to see that! Makes it worth the work!
Thanks,
KenSkid |
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11/16/2005 10:46:48 PM · #69 |
hi-jack
Originally posted by keegbow:
I think your suggestion would be in breach of the site rules and a better method would be to inform SC. |
But I thought there was no right an wrong? hehehehe Calm down, I'm just kidding. ;-P
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11/16/2005 10:51:12 PM · #70 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
Only when there is a really drastic breach, such as an entry image posted in a thread or described in detail, do they do anything about it. Even then it is only to correct the error, never anything more serious that might act as a deterent, or some seriously strong guidance to the community.
Got any others suggestions? Anyone? |
Yeah, everyone needs to chill out, pray, do yoga, drink a beer, or whatever it is that calms you down about it.
The reason they don't do anything about it is because it's never someone trying to bolster their votes, it's always some dork who doesn't know better, they tell him what's up, and the image is de-posted. Problem solved. If someone tells you you're wrong on your vote/comment then you should tell them the same. Maybe if the do it over and over you should vote them down, but for one occurance it seems pretty petty.
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11/16/2005 10:53:06 PM · #71 |
There's an undercurrent to this whole thread that DPC voters as a group can't be trusted to vote reasonably objectively if and when a breach of anonymity (which is NOT codified in the rules) occurs. I don't agree with this. I don't think we're giving the community enough credit.
I strongly suspect (and I am NOT advocating this, mind you) that if we did away with anonymity altogether very little would change, and that if anything DID change it would be to the detriment of the "established" photographers, who would be judged against their own, best work to some degree rather than in vacuuo in the current challenge.
Robt. |
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11/16/2005 10:57:02 PM · #72 |
| This seems like a hard scoring challenge. My score dropped from 5.7 this morning to 5.5 now. |
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11/16/2005 10:59:34 PM · #73 |
Originally posted by bear_music:
There's an undercurrent to this whole thread that DPC voters as a group can't be trusted to vote reasonably objectively if and when a breach of anonymity (which is NOT codified in the rules) occurs. I don't agree with this. I don't think we're giving the community enough credit.
I strongly suspect (and I am NOT advocating this, mind you) that if we did away with anonymity altogether very little would change, and that if anything DID change it would be to the detriment of the "established" photographers, who would be judged against their own, best work to some degree rather than in vacuuo in the current challenge.
Robt. |
There is some truth to what you say, but I think on the whole, the unwritten rules and anonymous voting system protects us from a group of otherwise unkowns coming in and blowing up all the votes for their friends. What if Joey {just and illustration, chill, please] posted all of his newests entries on his website, and all his friends and theri friends came in and voted him higher? I don't think that anyone wants that, even if the effect was not intended by the person who did it.
I don't think it's necessarily distrust of cheaters (though that does factor), but the pygmalian effect mentioned in another thread does pan out here too. People will automatically vote someone who they know and respect higher than they otherwise would have.
edit - I have seem people on this site to the very same thing, especially the doggie portrait pics "vote for my dog" threads. Where as the same people would blast anyone about doing that on this site, as soon as the rule is removed, it becomes a people popularity contest, instead of a photo popularity contest.
Message edited by author 2005-11-16 23:03:11.
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11/16/2005 11:10:31 PM · #74 |
Originally posted by wavelength:
I think on the whole, the unwritten rules and anonymous voting system protects us from a group of otherwise unkowns coming in and blowing up all the votes for their friends. What if Joey {just and illustration, chill, please] posted all of his newests entries on his website, and all his friends and theri friends came in and voted him higher? I don't think that anyone wants that, even if the effect was not intended by the person who did it. |
Reality is probably in the middle somewhere, for sure, but I'd offer the observation that there's nothing but the diligence of SC and our programmers to keep the above scenario from happening right NOW. If I want to enlist all my friends to join DPC and vote in each open challenge I enter so I can get high scores from them, I can do it. Presumably SC will eventually see through this when they realize that I always get 10's from the same 50 people, whose voting average otherwise is in the low 4's, but my point is that THIS is already being policed.
So the issue being discussed here is to what extent do occasional breaches of anonymity to the membership at large, through the forums affect the scoring? That's a whole other kettle of fish.
Robt. |
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11/16/2005 11:11:25 PM · #75 |
Originally posted by Sammie:
This seems like a hard scoring challenge. My score dropped from 5.7 this morning to 5.5 now. |
Well, there was that other thread about whether disguise was ok in Camouflage. So if people want to blame the forum posters for voting trends include that one too. My personal impression is that the overall effect of both threads is very minor compared to what we have seen in the past. These two threads are more nuetral.
Just my two cents.
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