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11/10/2005 04:42:13 PM · #26 |
chamielle, I am not anywhere near talking about pretty. I am talking about AGENDAS. For dead end, yes, I guess the agenda fits, so bravo for the non smokers, non drinkers, and non drug takers. However, let me sum it up this way for you and others that are not getting the point and are only focusing on a few words in my statements.
When you are watching TV, what do you like to watch most? The commercials or the show?
Simply put, I prefer the show and not the commercials. Therefore, metaphorically with this site and its submissions, and in the future, I will watch the show only. When I am at home, and the commercials come on, I flip the channels. I will do the same when voting here. Flip to the next photo.
Rose
Message edited by author 2005-11-10 16:47:20.
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11/10/2005 04:45:31 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by Rose8699:
Simply put, I prefer the show and not the commercials.
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Do you expect the shows you don't like to be taken off the air? |
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11/10/2005 04:50:10 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by mk:
Originally posted by Rose8699:
Simply put, I prefer the show and not the commercials.
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Do you expect the shows you don't like to be taken off the air? |
No, I flip the channels. BUT lets not change what I said into something else. Metaphorically I am regarding this site as ONE show, and each themed contest as one show. At home, I flip the channels during commercials, or I mute them. I will do that here as well when voting and viewing.
Rose
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11/10/2005 04:53:53 PM · #29 |
Yep, you flip the channels. You don't call the studio and tell them to stuff it.
:-) |
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11/10/2005 04:55:13 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by Didymus:
Yep, you flip the channels. You don't call the studio and tell them to stuff it.
:-) |
That's a stupid comment. Did I tell anyone to stuff it here? NO.
Rose
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11/10/2005 04:55:19 PM · #31 |
| America is offensive. Thank goodness :-) |
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11/10/2005 04:58:07 PM · #32 |
Ahhh, yes. Let's hear it for offensive America, behaviors, photos, forums, websites, and POSTERS! YEAH! *not*
Ok, well, I am done with this subject. Thanks to all that commented. To the one that "got it", my kudos to you especially. You are on page one. I fear this is no longer going to be healthy debate on the issue, but is turning into a mockary. I've had enough.
Later, and happy DPC'ing!
Rose
Message edited by author 2005-11-10 17:00:18.
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11/10/2005 05:02:15 PM · #33 |
Actually, Rose, for the most part I agree with you. I even left a comment on an earlier challenge saying that I don't think a challenge is a good place to make a political statement (I would PM you which one if you want to know, but don't want to publicly announce it). I guess our disagreement would be that I don't feel that the drug/alcohol shots are an agenda. I do not use drugs or tobacco, but do drink socially. I think eventually most drug addicts and alcoholics are on a dead end path unless/until they get help, and so I assume that is what these shots are trying to portray. Not so much to preach "Don't do drugs" as just to show a dead end.
Edit to say that I was typing during the 2 previous posts, so maybe this is too late!
Message edited by author 2005-11-10 17:03:28. |
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11/10/2005 05:02:30 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by Rose8699:
Originally posted by Didymus:
Yep, you flip the channels. You don't call the studio and tell them to stuff it.
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That's a stupid comment. Did I tell anyone to stuff it here? NO.
Rose |
You're telling people what kind of shots they should submit instead of what they did -- isn't that about the same thing?
This is not a stock photography submission site -- it is a site for people to learn how to become better photographers. Photography is a means of artistic expression -- a way to communicate to others what they feel about the world and their chosen subject. How dare you tell people how they should feel ... |
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11/10/2005 05:04:55 PM · #35 |
Just curious...
How do you feel about all those images of crosses and flags?
I guess if are going to consider censorship, we should be thorough. |
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11/10/2005 05:04:57 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by Rose8699:
Ahhh, yes. Let's hear it for offensive America, behaviors, photos, forums, websites, and POSTERS! YEAH! *not*
Ok, well, I am done with this subject. Thanks to all that commented. To the one that "got it", my kudos to you especially. You are on page one. I fear this is no longer going to be healthy debate on the issue, but is turning into a mockary. I've had enough.
Later, and happy DPC'ing!
Rose |
SO nice of you to hit and run.
If this was intended to influence people to vote lower on a certain type of photo currently under submission, you are in violation of the rules. Thanks a lot. |
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11/10/2005 05:10:48 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by Rose8699:
Ahhh, yes. Let's hear it for offensive America, behaviors, photos, forums, websites, and POSTERS! YEAH! *not*
Rose |
What I mean ( although I think you know what I mean) is that thank goodness I live in a country that was built by offensive people.
Thomas Jefferson, Patrick Henry (Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death), and Benjamin Franklin were pretty offensive for their time.
Freedom is not an easy thing to live with. Living in a free society calls for tolerance and a strength of character that tests you every day.
Thank goodness I live in an offensive country :-)
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11/10/2005 05:13:17 PM · #38 |
| Just don't get carried away, being free and offensive. :-) |
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11/10/2005 05:22:03 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by Didymus:
Just don't get carried away, being free and offensive. :-) |
Sounds like a puritan :-D...jk
Seriously though, I hope people do get carried away by freedom and being offensive. Some of the great art, science and philosophy of our civilization was/is offensive to somebody.
Copernicus was highly offensive to the astronomers of his time. Einstein, Columbus, Patton. Well..you get the point. |
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11/10/2005 05:26:15 PM · #40 |
Just remember; being offended is a choice. Thank goodness I choose not to be offended by someone who starts a rant and then decides it's over just because they don't like the turn it took.
If we want to avoid offending everyone, we had better ask D&L to shut down the site. |
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11/10/2005 06:59:00 PM · #41 |
Wow...and all this after being here for a whole 8 days.
Originally posted by GeneralE:
If this was intended to influence people to vote lower on a certain type of photo currently under submission, you are in violation of the rules.
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Isn't describing a current challenge entry in there some place too?
Message edited by author 2005-11-10 18:59:33.
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11/10/2005 07:23:12 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by Rose8699:
Ahhh, yes. Let's hear it for offensive America, behaviors, photos, forums, websites, and POSTERS! YEAH! *not*
Ok, well, I am done with this subject. Thanks to all that commented. To the one that "got it", my kudos to you especially. You are on page one. I fear this is no longer going to be healthy debate on the issue, but is turning into a mockary. I've had enough.
Later, and happy DPC'ing!
Rose |
SO nice of you to hit and run.
If this was intended to influence people to vote lower on a certain type of photo currently under submission, you are in violation of the rules. Thanks a lot. |
Don't be ridiculous. Hit and run? I have been commenting on nearly every post, and when I do, I get someone who takes one sentence I say out of context and rebuts it ad nauseum. OR I get one liners and cute remarks. WHY would I want to continue in a discussion which isn't taken with as much seriousness as the photos you are defending?
The bottom line is this. I UNDERSTAND that photography is a means of expression (gee, thanks for the commentary! LOL...). I UNDERSTAND where the redundant social views fit into the "dead end" theme. I UNDERSTAND about free speech. ALL I am saying is that the horse is dead when it comes to such commercialism. I have been a member here for about 5 days. I have voted on three themed contests. In each one I have seen at least a dozen who use the themes as a means for platformed issues rather than wanting their entry to be a 'great photo' among many others. I mean isn't this "Digital Photography "Contest" and not "Social Views Contest Through Digital Photography"?
Now, those that care to continue on with such social issues, go ahead. I was only stating what I felt on the subject. Through the course of this thread I have decided that I will just reserve my higher votes to other photos and flip through the social views like I would a commercial on television.
For whoever brought up the flag & crosses, although they may be the view of some, they aren't as over rated as that of obviously ciggs, drugs, and alchohol. Seeing one or two of it in one theme is fine, but obviously, having seen many of the same in all three challanges I have voted on so far caused me to mention the social-view aspect.
Now that I know how most feel on the subject, and I am not asking anyone to change their ways, I will just change my own ways and bypass rather than vote you at all or down.
AND no, I am not trying to sway the votes. LOL....I think that is an insult to the intelligence of the voter to think such a thing. Everyone, as has been well noted on this thread, has a mind, stance, and view of their own. I am sure they will vote accordingly as well. There is another thread where someone mentioned seeing WAY too many photos of garbage within landscapes, the garbage being too far away, the garbage being too many pop cans. ARE THEY TOO trying to sway the votes off of those photos? I seriously doubt it. They are just stating their views. The purpose of any forum to begin with.
Now, if you want me to stick around for the rest of this thread, however long it goes on, fine. But I won't stay here just to be mocked for my view. I'm not mocking anyone here for their view.
OH and to the person who explained what they meant by "offensive America", thank you for the explanation. I guess what you meant was lost in the translation of your wording.
Rose
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11/10/2005 07:28:08 PM · #43 |
Hey, let's just give Rose a break. She's new to the site and I think giving her the 5th degree is not a nice welcome.
I stopped reading the post shortly after mine up above, so I don't even know what's being discussed. I'm not taking sides either, you play nice too Rose... |
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11/10/2005 07:41:53 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Hey, let's just give Rose a break. She's new to the site and I think giving her the 5th degree is not a nice welcome.
I stopped reading the post shortly after mine up above, so I don't even know what's being discussed. I'm not taking sides either, you play nice too Rose... |
:=) I always try to be nice. However, being new to the site does not mean I am new to the world. I am 46. I have spent enough time in the world, at least I think so, to be of sound mind to make a veiwpoint and debate it when needed with an adult attitude.
I understand that no one will ever change the views of the planet and its inhabitants. LOL....I was just simply trying to say that I was tired of all the commercialism. It isn't even so much the photos, but the titles. DEATH and CERTAIN DEATH or END or CERTAIN END to those that smoke, drink, or do drugs is a bit harsh and not even really factually founded. People do change and do go on, and some even better then they once did afterwards. BUT that is another debate and one I don't care to get into here. However, when it comes to photos, I just wish that others would step away from the commercialism and step towards a different avenue to walk.
Thanks for the defense though!
Rose
Message edited by author 2005-11-10 19:43:32.
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11/10/2005 07:54:31 PM · #45 |
I wonder if it ever occurred to you in all this that the entries of cigarettes and booze come from people who smoke and drink? After all, aren't they the ones with those things close at hand in their homes?
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11/10/2005 08:28:50 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by KaDi:
I wonder if it ever occurred to you in all this that the entries of cigarettes and booze come from people who smoke and drink? After all, aren't they the ones with those things close at hand in their homes? |
Well, it wouldn't surprise me. I mean, a pediatrician admitted here on this thread of wanting to put a ciggarette in the mouth of a 2-year old just for a challenge photo, and his wife refused. With that, nothing would surprise me. However, to me it still doesn't stop the redundancy of platform using. Just my view.
Hey, if you don't like flowers and nature, then you won't like my shots either, but at least I am not promoting that most flowers will die in less than a week and use that as a dead end shot! LOL...
Rose
Message edited by author 2005-11-10 20:30:42.
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11/10/2005 08:55:43 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by Rose8699:
Hey, if you don't like flowers and nature, then you won't like my shots either, but at least I am not promoting that most flowers will die in less than a week and use that as a dead end shot! LOL...
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Everyone has a different approach to creativity. I lurked here for about 4 months before I ever entered a challenge. My first challenge was "Wheels"--it was the first topic I found accessible to me that fell in a week where I could spend time thinking and shooting. I shot at least 10 different kinds of wheels and ended up entering rollerskates. Then the challenge went over 400 entries! I had made up my mind beforehand to vote on every entry and try to comment on as many as possible if I was going to enter a challenge. I was extraordinarily disheartened by the repetition in that challenge. Someone started a thread complaining about the entries and I joined in. Old wagon wheels were the ones that got me. I thought they were dumb, dull, unimaginative snapshots! And some of them probably were--but it was more my own frustration that embittered me. I had only been looking, really, at all the best work on the site. The top winners, the favorites, the wonderful shots that appeared in tutorials here at the time. I hadn't realized yet what it meant to vote on an entire challenge. That is when I began to learn how to critique a photo. To really start to see what was being presented. I have learned a lot since then.
I have learned...
--that challenge entries are made by all kinds of people from all kinds of places
--that people here range from the very beginner to the professional
--that styles and tastes range from the abstract to the concrete, the explosive to the mundane
--that it takes a lot more than a subject to make a photo
--that it takes more than a camera to make a photographer
--that it's ok to be offended, sometimes that's what the image maker wants from the viewer
--and, that despite all this, I can find something of value in every single photo I have ever viewed on this site.
Just thought I'd share.
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11/10/2005 10:46:17 PM · #48 |
My "hit and run" comment was solely directed at your statement that you withdrawing from this thread after starting it in the first place -- nothing at all to do with your comments on photos, all of which are appreciated, I'm sure.
I do find it interesting that someone who's only been here a few days feels so strongly about "overused" subjects -- imagine how people who've voted in 2-300 challenges must feel : )
I don't mean to discourage your participation, but rather to encourage you to be more open to the "folkways" of the community which forms DPC. I am stongly in favor of photography as a means of expression, not an end in itself, and try to appreciate creativity and passion as much as technical prowess. |
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11/10/2005 11:27:50 PM · #49 |
Originally posted by Rose8699:
... It isn't even so much the photos, but the titles. |
And people say that titles aren't important. Where's a good title debate when you need one...is the 'no title' challenge suggestion still floating around out there? ;^)
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11/11/2005 02:35:39 AM · #50 |
Originally posted by KaDi:
I wonder if it ever occurred to you in all this that the entries of cigarettes and booze come from people who smoke and drink? After all, aren't they the ones with those things close at hand in their homes? |
True, I often use things I have nearby for shots, including cigarettes... but I don't know if my cigarette photos ever made a social statement. Yes, I smoke.
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