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03/03/2006 11:29:39 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by riot:
Actually, i kind of find it annoying when critique club members act as if their comments are automatically going to be dazzling and the recipient is a raging ingrate if they don't find them helpful, or even pm to thank you personally. I have personally seen some thoroughly unhelpful critique club critiques (not on any of my images), where the critiquer has not even bothered to read the photographer's own notes before telling them to do what they have already done - or just saying how they like most of it and they wouldn't really change anything. I'm sure the majority would agree, that just isn't a "critique" worthy of a helpful tick, no matter what self-important credentials are behind it. |
What "self-important credentials" are you referring to? Critique Club members are entirely voluntary. All I would ask is that there be a checkbox that indicates the critique was read....even an additional checkbox for "unhelpful" would be welcomed by me.
People click the "I want and in-depth comment" box. Get one after the challenge (as is the system). Get an e-mail notifying them of the fact. And then...... Just think how you'd feel if you spent time with an image and wrote about it that the person you wrote to didn't respond in any way.
I can handle the fact that my critique was unhelpful just as easily as I handle the fact that an image I entered in a challenge was unsuccessful--no sweat off my brow. But to have zero (0) acknowledgment that the critique was read? How would I know if I was doing a poor job? |
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03/03/2006 11:52:57 PM · #27 |
I still don't know why we have the "comment helpful" box to check. I understand the reason for it and the thought that it would be nice for people to show appreciation for comments, but in reality it works the opposite way. It just allows people to show what comments they *didn't* appreciate by not checking the box, and then people get pissed that their comments weren't checked as helpful. IMO, those boxes create far more negative feelings on this site than positive ones.
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03/04/2006 12:01:54 AM · #28 |
You could institute the old idea of a comment rating system. Other sites have it for say, answers on how to unclog your toilet, or whatnot.
Some have poo-pooed the idea before, but I think it would help commenters judge just how well recieved and actually helpful they were.
I think 1-5 stars would be good, maybe a 0 too.
Theres also a +/- system, you could have others be able to judge the effectiveness with everyone adding their own helpul/non-helpful on comments. Maybe that would be better for the discussion boards though.
This post would get a -10, I'm sure. |
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03/04/2006 12:02:03 AM · #29 |
Originally posted by PhilipDyer:
I still don't know why we have the "comment helpful" box to check. I understand the reason for it and the thought that it would be nice for people to show appreciation for comments, but in reality it works the opposite way. It just allows people to show what comments they *didn't* appreciate by not checking the box, and then people get pissed that their comments weren't checked as helpful. IMO, those boxes create far more negative feelings on this site than positive ones. |
Yes! You're right! That is exactly how they are used....but then, if a box remains un-checked, the only indication that it was not the comment but the recipient is the fact that the recipient "never" checks anything helpful. (or only checks happy complimentary comments) |
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03/04/2006 12:02:39 AM · #30 |
It ticks me off a bit when all of the compliments are checked off but the photographer suddenly becomes selective with the actual critiques. But then I realize the person isn't really here to learn anyway so I just ignore it and concentrate on just the photos that looks like didn't come from an egomaniac.
Message edited by author 2006-03-04 00:03:36. |
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03/04/2006 10:43:10 AM · #31 |
Originally posted by KaDi:
People click the "I want and in-depth comment" box. Get one after the challenge (as is the system). Get an e-mail notifying them of the fact. And then...... Just think how you'd feel if you spent time with an image and wrote about it that the person you wrote to didn't respond in any way. |
Don't get me wrong, i agree with you entirely. I'd definitely be up for a means of indicating a comment has been read, even if not found helpful - but as it stands, the photographer is forced to either look like they ignored a comment, or mark it helpful even if it isn't.
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03/04/2006 11:00:18 AM · #32 |
I have checked almost all of mine...even if I intially found them rude, sometimes I will think about it and go back and check it...that was their opinion, after all. I have one that said, "It's OK" that I didn't check. That didn't tell me anything...was it OK good or OK not-so-good???
Message edited by author 2006-03-04 11:00:53. |
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03/04/2006 01:09:53 PM · #33 |
wow digging up the past huh hehehe
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Anyway, I like the idea of the box saying "COMMENT APPRECIATED"...I think that would be better...but it still won't make people check it, then you can not only feel as if you didn't 'help' but that your attempt wasn't even 'appreciated' -- which was the point in making this thread.
I haven't made a critique via the critique club probably since the start of this thread, based solely on the fact that I find it stupid that I can spend time trying to help someone just for them to find it not helpful.
Believe me, I'm not trying to make a big deal out of it, I shared my feelings, I got no support, and I dealt with it the best way that I knew how to -- that is, I moved on, and stopped giving critiques -- something that I actually did enjoy doing.
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03/04/2006 01:18:42 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by KaDi:
Originally posted by PhilipDyer:
I still don't know why we have the "comment helpful" box to check. I understand the reason for it and the thought that it would be nice for people to show appreciation for comments, but in reality it works the opposite way. It just allows people to show what comments they *didn't* appreciate by not checking the box, and then people get pissed that their comments weren't checked as helpful. IMO, those boxes create far more negative feelings on this site than positive ones. |
Yes! You're right! That is exactly how they are used....but then, if a box remains un-checked, the only indication that it was not the comment but the recipient is the fact that the recipient "never" checks anything helpful. (or only checks happy complimentary comments) |
i like the button but i don't check it for instances like correcting the spelling in my title or just typing "boring" or "interesting".
when someone posts a comment, even one that isn't complimentary, that helps me grow then i click the button. i'm personally worried that if i dont, then people who actually spend time offering me helpful advice will stop bothering.
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03/04/2006 02:17:21 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by sickdog:
Originally posted by KaDi:
Originally posted by PhilipDyer:
I still don't know why we have the "comment helpful" box to check. I understand the reason for it and the thought that it would be nice for people to show appreciation for comments, but in reality it works the opposite way. It just allows people to show what comments they *didn't* appreciate by not checking the box, and then people get pissed that their comments weren't checked as helpful. IMO, those boxes create far more negative feelings on this site than positive ones. |
Yes! You're right! That is exactly how they are used....but then, if a box remains un-checked, the only indication that it was not the comment but the recipient is the fact that the recipient "never" checks anything helpful. (or only checks happy complimentary comments) |
i like the button but i don't check it for instances like correcting the spelling in my title or just typing "boring" or "interesting".
when someone posts a comment, even one that isn't complimentary, that helps me grow then i click the button. i'm personally worried that if i dont, then people who actually spend time offering me helpful advice will stop bothering. |
Ditto, but I'd like to see a 'Not helpful' button so that I know if the comments I've left to people were unhelpful or just ignored. |
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03/04/2006 02:30:16 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by deapee:
I'm just curious...does it sort of get to you, personally, when you take a lot of time out and people don't find your comments helpful? |
No, it does not bother me if people do not find my carefully considered and time-spent critiques helpful. I learn as much or more from analizing photographs as the photographer whose work I critique. Don't you? That is more than enough reward for me.
Originally posted by oOWonderBreadOo:
sort of, but then again there are people who mark everything helpful (me!) so are comments like 'cool' or something really helping? |
Your base assumption that the checkbox being checked or not is meaningful is in error. oOWonderBreadOo correctly points this out.
If you check you will find that, in general, most people either habitually mark the helpful box or habitually ignore it entirely, therefore rendering it useless as a source for meaningful feedback to the commenter other than indicating that they saw it.
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03/04/2006 03:07:14 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by bluenova:
[quote=sickdog] [quote=KaDi] [quote=PhilipDyer] I Ditto, but I'd like to see a 'Not helpful' button so that I know if the comments I've left to people were unhelpful or just ignored. |
i'd like a not helpful button to let people who comment things like "interesting" or "boring" know that it really didn't help me in any way to know how they felt...
give me more details
also for that guy who tried to correct the spelling on my last contest... he wasn't helping me be a better photographer in any way by being wrong about my title. ( not at all bitter about that, btw ) |
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03/04/2006 03:20:19 PM · #38 |
I don't do crtiques for me, I do it for them.
So it doesn't matter what button or tick box there is, I don't check up on them, it's not relevant.
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03/04/2006 03:53:38 PM · #39 |
A couple of people have said that they would like a "not helpful" button. I strongly disagree that this would add anything positive to the site. This would result in more petty squabbles and feuds that would extend into the forums, creating bad blood among many site participants.
I do like the ability to let people know that you appreciate their help and comments, but in reality, that's not how the helpful comment box is being used. I don't know of a better alternative, other than to send PMs to people who are particularly helpful to you.
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03/04/2006 04:03:09 PM · #40 |
Best suggestion by far if you ask me :)
Originally posted by crayon:
Originally posted by LoudDog:
The easiest way to resolve all the issues with minimal work would be to remove the this comment was helpful box all together. |
good idea! |
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03/04/2006 04:21:45 PM · #41 |
I made a simple proposal for a change to the web site that could help match voters willing to give in-depth critiques to people actually needing them most during voting.
It might help reduce a lot of comment complaints.
Comment change to help Critique Club
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03/04/2006 04:37:43 PM · #42 |
I read all my comments I get and I am very thankful for them all, but... I only mark those that I find helpful. Such as reagrding the technical aspect of a photo. If it is a comment like I love the colors, or this is awesome or whatever, I don't find those helpful - just nice.
I too think it would be a great idea to have a box that said comment appreciated or comment read. I don't think getting rid of the comments helpful button is a good idea. Some of still like to know that the comment was read and or was appreciated.
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03/04/2006 05:22:45 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by PhilipDyer:
A couple of people have said that they would like a "not helpful" button. I strongly disagree that this would add anything positive to the site. This would result in more petty squabbles and feuds that would extend into the forums, creating bad blood among many site participants.
I do like the ability to let people know that you appreciate their help and comments, but in reality, that's not how the helpful comment box is being used. I don't know of a better alternative, other than to send PMs to people who are particularly helpful to you. |
okay... i have been on enough member sites and BBS's to know that what you're saying about the "not helpful" button is true.
got me there.
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03/04/2006 06:16:56 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by dudephil:
How about a "comment appreciated" box instead of helpful? Although I find many comments not to actually be helpful by definition of the word, I like to mark them as such to let people know that I appreciate them taking the time to comment on my image. |
This is pretty much the way I feel about it. I mark them all. I too appreciate the comments whether I agree or not. |
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03/04/2006 08:24:16 PM · #45 |
Anyone spending the time to critique someone else̢۪s work needs to realize, at least 2 people should benefit from the process, the person giving the critique and the one that supplied the image. If only 1 person benefits it will be the person giving the critique, the time and thought spent on a given image may very well help that person improve their own work, flaws in someone else̢۪s work are very self evident, while one̢۪s own are non-existent.
If you need gratification for a job well done, then send yourself a PM for the wonderful critique you just gave, for you are the big winner.
One can not teach without learning.
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