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11/09/2005 10:26:29 AM · #51 |
Originally posted by elee3009:
Ladeem, I left you a comment. |
Thank you! :) |
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11/09/2005 10:42:53 AM · #52 |
Originally posted by gayle43103:
Originally posted by sabphoto:
Geez people learn from what wins, it won because it is a good shot. |
Fine...but IMHO it is a safe win. I could go out and shoot a stream. Easy enough. Now the 2nd place winner...I feel should have been first. But its my opinion and on this site, those of us who feel we should have scored higher, we aren't allowed to have an opinion. It seems that no matter what the challenge is, if you have a good photo it wins, whether it fits that challenge or not. Now I know I'm stirring a hornets nest and will get blasted out of this forum but again...its MY opinion. |
You could shoot a stream, many did. Some were really good, some were good, some were not so good. Just because it is easy to take a camera to a stream, set a long shutter speed and shoot doesn't mean you will have a good shot. And I hope the winner would never be a good photo that doesn't meet the challenge.
Message edited by author 2005-11-09 10:49:52. |
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11/09/2005 11:51:45 AM · #53 |
Well in the hit or miss department store of challenge submissions, seems I shopped in the miss clearance section with mine. (4.207 & 257/296)
According to the score, mine didn't even meet the challenge. Odd.
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11/09/2005 12:09:58 PM · #54 |
Originally posted by BradP:
Well in the hit or miss department store of challenge submissions, seems I shopped in the miss clearance section with mine. (4.207 & 257/296)
According to the score, mine didn't even meet the challenge. Odd. |
It's your camera...LOL, you need to go back to the Olympus! ;) :D
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11/09/2005 12:15:17 PM · #55 |
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11/09/2005 12:29:53 PM · #56 |
Yeah, that OLympus was a kick-ass camera. I can't imagine why you let it go, you flaming MORON... jejeje�
On a happier note, isn't that 28-75 Tamron sweet? When I think of all the money I spent on glass, and how much time the tammy spends on the camera, I shake my head. Of course, the 10-22mm is a must-have for me, but so far I might as well not have gotten the 60mm macro, and the 70-200 f/4 isn't getting that much use either... in retrospect, I wish I'd not gotten the 60mm and found a way to shoehorn in the 70-200 f/2.8 IS instead. My problem is handholding the big lens...
Way off topic here LOL.
R.
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11/09/2005 12:33:09 PM · #57 |
Whenever there is a voting process, i.e. challenges on dpc, elections, etc, not everyone agrees with the outcome. If everyone did agree, then what would be the point of even voting? My philosophy is that everyone is entitled to his / her own opinion as long as they accept that other people are entitled to their own views as well.
A suggestion- Why not leave comments for those types of pictures that you want to see more of. Most of the time, comments are much more constructive than the final place / score.
Just my 2 cents. |
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11/09/2005 12:42:52 PM · #58 |
Originally posted by bear_music:
Yeah, that Olympus was a kick-ass camera. I can't imagine why you let it go, you flaming MORON... jejeje� |
Thanks!  |
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11/09/2005 12:58:19 PM · #59 |
I was so tired of seeing "ghosts" waterfalls, streams and water, water, water before the end of voting I had almost just tuned out. The dog was one of my favorites as was that really crsip shot of the funny car and the one with the four-wheelers in mid-air.
Mine was a rather blah shot from Atlanta Motor Speedway, didn't do so well, but at least I can say it wasn't in the high number of I've seen this shot before shots.
Yeah, I was frustrated with the Shutter Speed Challenge, but I do believe the three ribbons were good picks.
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11/09/2005 01:29:05 PM · #60 |
Ok first to answer questions about shouts
elee3009 everything in frame is blurry which makes it unattractive, it gives the shot the look that some one just used the wrong film speed
LadeeM love the shot just didn't get to around voting on it as my cable mode went on the fritz :(
glad2badad That type of shot really does not require any special equipment other than being able to adjust your shutter speed, a tripod helps but can be done using almost anything to hold the camera still. Dont take that as a dis to your shot as it is nice.
Brad P I dont know what to tell you, I like the shot would give it at least a 5, it does however have alot blurred, maybe if you could some how magically get more of the birds to move in same direction/pace.
I like this thread in the point that it seems people don't examine the shots they just score and next based on first impressions I also get the feel at this site that some shots that are not the "Norm" for a challange are not even considered much. I am dissapointed with my score but I also can seewhy some peole did not like it. The color tint seemed to get some peole. but if they had looked they would see the ceiling and top 9 feet of the walls in that room are Gold leaf, at night when lit by the hanging light fixtures that room just looks like that taking a long exposure intensifies that apperance, I added the models walking in it to show that it was a long exposure....most people just didn't seem to get it. I do like the shots that won, I think 1st and 2nd places should be reversed as the 2nd place shot is quite impressive, the first palce shot is nice but nothing to me tha says that is amazing or difficult. that said mine wasnt difficult, just a IMHO nice subjet. |
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11/09/2005 01:36:14 PM · #61 |
Originally posted by nemesise1977:
...glad2badad That type of shot really does not require any special equipment other than being able to adjust your shutter speed, a tripod helps but can be done using almost anything to hold the camera still. Dont take that as a dis to your shot as it is nice. |
No disrespect taken...however I disagree that you just set your shutter speed. You also need to knock down the amount of light coming in or you will overexpose. I've read somewhere here on previous forums where people have stacked multiple ND filters to allow longer shutter speeds to get better blur (smoother) looking water. Not having those I improvised with a polarizer, and a deep blue filter (then backed the blue out in post-processing) to reduce light levels.
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11/09/2005 01:45:03 PM · #62 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
No disrespect taken...however I disagree that you just set your shutter speed. You also need to knock down the amount of light coming in or you will overexpose. I've read somewhere here on previous forums where people have stacked multiple ND filters to allow longer shutter speeds to get better blur (smoother) looking water. Not having those I improvised with a polarizer, and a deep blue filter (then backed the blue out in post-processing) to reduce light levels. |
Actually just using an ISO or apature setting with the shutter is enough, the ND filter trick is from what I know more for people letting the camera run on full auto, to "trick" the camera to do a long exposure. |
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11/09/2005 01:45:09 PM · #63 |
To present the opposite side, I was one of those "banal" waterfall shots. I don't really take offense to the word because I knew going in that waterfalls would be very well represented. The challenge was to try to climb above the others and catch voters eyes. In a way, it's actually harder to do the obvious because of the competition.
Apparently I failed because there were at least 5 or 6 waterfalls that ranked above mine. I would have liked to have done better, but that's fine. I didn't try any less hard just because it was an obvious application of the challenge topic. If anything, I tried harder to make that water perfect and silky without blowing it out. (It's not an easy task in reality).
Are we going to bust on all those people in Landscape who were uninspired enough to photograph trees with changing leaves? |
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11/09/2005 01:49:41 PM · #64 |
| Doc I think the point is more that people who dont take the classic challange type shots are being under-rated and is frustrating seeing the Done many times shot winning vs somthing not quite as obvious (Btw I like your shot and thought it was quite well executed) |
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11/09/2005 01:51:28 PM · #65 |
Maximum aperture on my Z3 is F8, and I had the ISO manually overridden to ISO 50 (lowest setting). Used a tripod, set the timer, and used manual shutter settings, stepping out to the max of 15 seconds available. Even with the added filters I was overexposing around the 1 second mark. So I guess my equipment wasn't quite "special" enough. ;^)
Originally posted by nemesise1977:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
No disrespect taken...however I disagree that you just set your shutter speed. You also need to knock down the amount of light coming in or you will overexpose. I've read somewhere here on previous forums where people have stacked multiple ND filters to allow longer shutter speeds to get better blur (smoother) looking water. Not having those I improvised with a polarizer, and a deep blue filter (then backed the blue out in post-processing) to reduce light levels. |
Actually just using an ISO or apature setting with the shutter is enough, the ND filter trick is from what I know more for people letting the camera run on full auto, to "trick" the camera to do a long exposure. |
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11/09/2005 01:57:34 PM · #66 |
| Just from my personal experience here at DPC, I've found that when I think outside of the box and submit a photo that is definitely different/courageous/unique that I am voted low scores. I think that most people like to see what is familiar or normal to them and vote those shots high. The photos that make it to the top are the "extra ordinary" (extraordinary) of the ordinary bunch. |
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11/09/2005 02:01:46 PM · #67 |
Originally posted by M.O.C.:
Just from my personal experience here at DPC, I've found that when I think outside of the box and submit a photo that is definitely different/courageous/unique that I am voted low scores. I think that most people like to see what is familiar or normal to them and vote those shots high. The photos that make it to the top are the "extra ordinary" (extraordinary) of the ordinary bunch. |
The majority of the members (imo)are smitten with the 'postcard' and 'magazine' image. Creativity and risk-taking is frowned upon and quickly dismissed. They seem to like-who-they-like......and will fight to the 'death' to defend them and 'this' point of view.........
Message edited by author 2005-11-09 14:03:06. |
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11/09/2005 02:04:08 PM · #68 |
I've said this before and I'll say it again. Out of the box is high risk/high reward. You will bomb more times than not, but you can hit it out of the part too.
Creativity not applied well should not be rewarded. I do, however, also agree that creativity should not be punished just for being creative. I don't see that though. I see excellently done creative shots doing well all the time. |
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11/09/2005 02:05:20 PM · #69 |
Well this is the only skateboarding shot and it almost broke 6. 
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11/09/2005 02:06:55 PM · #70 |
Originally posted by hsteg:
Well this is the only skateboarding shot and it almost broke 6. |
I believe there was another
Which was robbed by only scoring a 5.4
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Message edited by author 2005-11-09 14:20:35. |
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11/09/2005 02:10:11 PM · #71 |
Originally posted by hokie:
Originally posted by hsteg:
Well this is the only skateboarding shot and it almost broke 6. |
I believe there was another
Which was robbed by only scoring a 5.4[thumb]//www.dpchallenge.com/image.php?IMAGE_ID=251699[/thumb] |
Whoops, youre right, there were a few more.
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11/09/2005 02:11:32 PM · #72 |
Originally posted by azoychka:
Creativity and risk-taking is frowned upon and quickly dismissed. |
What does this even mean? Creativity is far from frowned upon at this site. I get comments all the time encouraging the creativity in my shots. And I just don't really get this concept of "risk-taking" in photography. If "risk-taking" means you realize the voters might not like it going in, then why are you surprised if the risk is realized? If risk means creativity, then the statement is redundant and I'll go back to saying creativity is not looked down upon.
I can only comment on my own portfolio, but I would consider my entries for Image Grain, Reflections Without Mirrors, Personification, Conspiracy, Perspective, High Contrast, D&L, and Textures to be "creative". They all placed in the top 1/3 of their respective challenge. I have lots of "safe" images too, but see no difference in their scoring trend...
Message edited by author 2005-11-09 14:12:21. |
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11/09/2005 02:45:29 PM · #73 |
courage ? it's my middle name ... i shot from a car a beautifull lighting and sky color and still landed on 4.619 ... i was actually mad taking this ... left the wheel, adjusted the camera and WHAM ! :-)
j/k
i got the point
Message edited by author 2005-11-09 14:51:56.
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11/09/2005 03:07:06 PM · #74 |
Originally posted by elee3009:
Sorry if I seem like hijacking this thread. My shutter speed entry was really a personal experiment on unfamiliar turf and skills. So wondered if that counts as being courageous ;) Whatever you think it is, I wouldn't mind getting some downright honest critique which was the whole idea of entering 'coz I knew it wasn't gonna sit well on scores.
Thanks in advance. |
I would of scored this one higher had the entire rearend of the bison been in the frame, but I felt this photo made the best use of shutter speed to tell something. Seems most everybody either used shutter speed only to show motion or freeze motion, but had no other rhyme or reason to for the use. The motion in this photo, from the bison to the trees, shows the strength and power of these beasts. In historical accounts of bisons, when millions roamed the American plains, they tell of how it would feel like an earthquake when they stampeded. In the image there is also ghosting which represents spiritualness of the bison to the Native Americans and the bisons dissappearance from the plains. They now really only exist in parks, zoos and ranches. For those reasons I think the shades and tones of the photo really work.
Well, I'll get off of my soapbox now, I just felt this deserved so much more than the score it got. I just wish I could put that kind of meaning into my photos, and not just what's in front of me.
Message edited by author 2005-11-09 15:24:29. |
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11/09/2005 04:52:36 PM · #75 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Originally posted by azoychka:
Creativity and risk-taking is frowned upon and quickly dismissed. |
What does this even mean? Creativity is far from frowned upon at this site. I get comments all the time encouraging the creativity in my shots. And I just don't really get this concept of "risk-taking" in photography. If "risk-taking" means you realize the voters might not like it going in, then why are you surprised if the risk is realized? If risk means creativity, then the statement is redundant and I'll go back to saying creativity is not looked down upon.
I can only comment on my own portfolio, but I would consider my entries for Image Grain, Reflections Without Mirrors, Personification, Conspiracy, Perspective, High Contrast, D&L, and Textures to be "creative". They all placed in the top 1/3 of their respective challenge. I have lots of "safe" images too, but see no difference in their scoring trend... |
There is a lot here to answer too. IMO, you place far to much weight on challenge results. It is very unclear to me that creativity and challenge placement are easily related.
Redundant, as far as I know, means.... 'no longer needed or useful'. Would you please explain your meaning for, 'If risk means creativity, then the statement is redundant'? |
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