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11/05/2005 03:59:29 PM · #1 |
No editing except for size, picture is entered just as it was taken.
No contrast
No levels
No cruves
No nothing just the image as it was taken edited to be no larger then 640px.
Message edited by author 2005-11-05 16:02:09.
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11/05/2005 04:07:15 PM · #2 |
Is this supposed to mean anything? are you suggesting a challenge?
Message edited by author 2005-11-05 16:07:37.
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11/05/2005 04:15:29 PM · #3 |
Originally posted by Telephoto:
Is this supposed to mean anything? are you suggesting a challenge? |
Well, it's in the Challenge suggestion forum so you do the maths :)
I like the idea MPRPRO. |
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11/05/2005 04:18:57 PM · #4 |
wouldn't work for me. I only use RAW which is a format DPC doesn't accept. Also, you must consider that presets in camera can be used, which gives an advantage to many P&S cameras that have funky settings like sepia, B&W, etc.
Saying that an image is 'better' or more real because editing was done in camera rather than in post processing is kind of, well, dumb.
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11/05/2005 04:21:50 PM · #5 |
Against it defenitly.
I always need to express my opinion on this subject especially. I would start explaining why but this could turn into a debate VERY quickly.
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11/05/2005 04:26:30 PM · #6 |
I have never understood why this particular suggestion comes up - unless you mean a "Composition Only" challenge. But in that case shades, tints, tones, hues and friends are all part of the composition and getting them the way you want to look just won't happen.
Out of the camera, imo, is chemical photography without the darkroom. Closest you get is slides and you still can adjust development of that if you have preconceived notions of what you're aiming for. Post processing can be as important as the shutter release itself.
Plus everything dahkota said, you're either processing in-camera or in-computer. |
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11/05/2005 04:27:00 PM · #7 |
This has been suggested a number of times, as recently as five days ago, as well as already occurred.
Message edited by author 2005-11-05 16:27:12. |
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11/05/2005 04:34:55 PM · #8 |
| Yes it has been done before and so have many of the challenges. This is a great idea. Sure processing happens in the camera, fine, make the most of it. Use your skill with a camera to express yourself. Lots of chances for processing. Nice to have a few challenge opportunities without it. |
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11/05/2005 04:44:50 PM · #9 |
Nothing prevents anyone from submitting a completely unadjusted photo (except for re-sizing) to any challenge, Advanced or Basic rules. I've even done it myself. if you think it's a good idea and improves your photographic technique, then just do it.
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11/05/2005 04:53:31 PM · #10 |
Ok site council, I think we should start keeping track of these posts. I bet there has been at least 50 of them.
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11/05/2005 04:54:47 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by Travis99:
Ok site council, I think we should start keeping track of these posts. I bet there has been at least 50 of them. |
Nice of you to volunteer to do the research!
Message edited by author 2005-11-05 16:55:12. |
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11/05/2005 04:57:57 PM · #12 |
sorry about the first response... wasn't paying attention! and, I'm not against it! actually, i have done it a couple times in basic editing challenges!
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11/05/2005 05:07:08 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Nothing prevents anyone from submitting a completely unadjusted photo (except for re-sizing) to any challenge, Advanced or Basic rules. I've even done it myself. if you think it's a good idea and improves your photographic technique, then just do it. |
Yes of course, but like any choice for a challenge, why not? Just another possibility.... |
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11/19/2005 02:38:45 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by azoychka:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Nothing prevents anyone from submitting a completely unadjusted photo (except for re-sizing) to any challenge, Advanced or Basic rules. I've even done it myself. if you think it's a good idea and improves your photographic technique, then just do it. |
Yes of course, but like any choice for a challenge, why not? Just another possibility.... |
Except that it puts you at a disadvantage to enter a straight photograph when everyone else is entering photos that have been tweaked and perfected after shooting. A straight-out-of-the-camera challenge would mean that the entrants' skills in photography would be tested, and not their skills in Photoshop. Not that Photoshop isn't a handy skill to have -- but it's in addition to good photography. Because let's be honest, everyone says that Photoshop is just darkroom techniques made digital -- but how many people who use it for every shot would actually be using a darkroom if they were still shooting film?
Again, I'm not saying there's anything unethical or undesirable about editing images. Just that it would be interesting to see what happened if the option was taken away. (and thank you for pointing out that it's been done before; I'll look at the results of that challenge. Sounds interesting.) |
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11/19/2005 03:03:47 AM · #15 |
Just out of curiosity, I have this question for those who love this idea:
Imagine you belonged to a local camera club and you were working in film. You have monthly meetings with themed print competitions. Would you suggest, as a theme, "Drugstore Prints" with the requirement that all the entries be printed at a 1-hr photo place on a machine? Because you felt that those who processed their own prints somehow had an edge that did not relate to "photographic skills"?
Assuming that we DID do such a challenge, you DO realize that "advantage" can still be gained by knowledgeable tweaking of the in-camera parameters? And that this is precisely what we do, at the base level, in an editing program? ESPECIALLY if we shoot RAW, which is designed with that in mind?
I suppose there's validity in wanting to see a challenge that did not allow ANY "photoshop tricks" to enhance images, and that the only way to police this would be to require straight-from-camera output and, presumably, by requiring that the archived original be an in-camera jpg, NOT a RAW file.
Kinda like playing golf with hickory shafts, just for the hell of it. It still takes skill, that's for sure.
I could see a lot of value in a "no cropping" challenge, I might add. That's a very useful exercise.
I guess I'd be happy enough to see this as "just another challenge", though I'd certainly be against using it as a basic ruleset...
For whatever that's worth.
Robt. |
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11/23/2005 08:36:29 PM · #16 |
Hi Bear_Music,
I completely understand where you are coming from. My suggestion has to do with people using their camera's to get the best possible shot with the camera. This is not to say we should do this for every challenge just one to see who can do their best with it. That's all.
I think to shoot in JPG and only resizing is allowed no cropping would be the ideal. Use what you have, if it is a point and shoot go for it, an SLR great use whatever lens you have but shoot the best shot you can resize it to no more then 640 and no less then 150px and see how it rates.
I think this could be fun. It would give people who are not as skilled in Photoshop or the equiv, a chance to show what kind of skills they have. Let the subject matter be free study and go for it.
Mike
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11/23/2005 09:01:13 PM · #17 |
I like this idea, for the same reasons stated in this thread back in June: A Third Challenge Per Week - No Editing, although that was suggesting a 'third' Challenge, the idea of the Challenge itself is still the same.
I think it would be a good 'back to basics'/educational Challenge (DSLR issues aside). |
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11/23/2005 09:19:35 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by bear_music:
Just out of curiosity, I have this question for those who love this idea:
Imagine you belonged to a local camera club and you were working in film. You have monthly meetings with themed print competitions. Would you suggest, as a theme, "Drugstore Prints" with the requirement that all the entries be printed at a 1-hr photo place on a machine? Because you felt that those who processed their own prints somehow had an edge that did not relate to "photographic skills"? |
Actually a camera club I go to occassionally did a contest something like that. One of the members ran a camera/print shop and he kept wowing people with prints he had done with a certain bunch of settings on a new printer he had bought. After he won 3 or 4 months in a row people wanted to know how the new system would work for their shots. So the guy said that he would print everybody's shot for the next monthly contest using the set method for free. Quite a few people took him up on the offer. He wound up with some new customers but broke his win streak and his monopoly on the wow effect. The club members still talk about how the results of their competitions were so much different when a certain element of their submission was done by another person who did it the same for everybody. And they are constantly trying to figure out ways to shape new contests where one part of it is the same for everybody who enters. I think the best they have come up with so far is one that's limited to 50mm lenses scheduled to run in Jan.
I think the no-editing challenge is a great idea. The idea keeps coming up and lots of people like it. Some topics may not be very appropriate for no-editing, but others (I'm thinking of Landscapes) would be very good. Why don't we just give it a try?
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04/18/2006 08:14:38 PM · #19 |
| Would still like to see this Challenge 'play out'. |
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04/18/2006 08:55:50 PM · #20 |
 I find the idea interesting though |
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I find the idea interesting though