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 10/19/2005 12:10:03 PM · #26
Originally posted by jhonan:
Originally posted by 2hoo:
To "qualify" your intelligent people comment suggests a large portion of DPC participants are not intelligent.


Yea, I always thought they were called a 'flock of lions' up until now.


And remember its meese, not mooses.
 10/19/2005 12:12:30 PM · #27
Originally posted by Cutter:
bear_,

I was saying your picture is much more a picture of joy than pride. Not that they are mutually exclusive.


Then you're splitting hairs. You're telling us, essentially, that it's a "better" depiction of pride if there's no joy involved. Think about that for a bit...

R.

Message edited by author 2005-10-19 12:12:42.
 10/19/2005 12:13:20 PM · #28
Originally posted by Cutter:
And the fact remains there are many unintelligent people in the world, who could not make that correlation.


and the national symbol of russia would be??? or greece??? I have no clue to what it would be for these countries (and all others)as they do little for me or the world. IE. they have little importance in my life so why should I know what there national symbol is.
 10/19/2005 12:14:43 PM · #29
Originally posted by Cutter:
i made no personal insult. I said "I think with the red leaf, most intelligent people relate that to Canada - Pride - Nationalism. and say, "okay, i can see that"."

What does it have to do with intelligence? - Knowledge of flags and national emblems falls into the category of 'trivia' in my book.
10/19/2005 12:17:50 PM · #30
jhonan,

any knowable fact is wrapped up in the concept of intelligence.

Noto,

Maybe I am an exception, but I make it a point in my life to understand, appreciate and retain everything knowable, whether I "think" it has importance to me or not. The more we dumb ourselves down, the less chance we have of discovering something truly wonderful.
 10/19/2005 12:19:52 PM · #31
bear,

that is not even close to what I am saying. I am saying that a picture can show both joy AND pride. One or both. Yours shows joy. Not pride. As I said, if we had context to why it shows pride, then it can be both.
 10/19/2005 12:21:50 PM · #32
How many flags have you memorised to date?

And decimal places of pi?

Knowledge of trivial things does not equate to intelligence.
10/19/2005 12:22:02 PM · #33
***finished with this discussion***
 10/19/2005 12:24:42 PM · #34
Les Goodman isn't about to stoop so low as to defend her entry in "pride," or the validity of the voters' actions during the challenge when it concerns the other top placement in the challenge.

But I don't have the same problem.

"Parking Attendant" suggest one of a fairly low station in life. Here's a person whose mission in life is to be at the beck and call of others. Perhaps mission is too strong a word to use in this context, as someone that disposable probably does it for pure survival, and not for any other purpose. He's no good, except for being a parking attendant.
Yet, there is an expression on his face, a tilt to his hat, a sense of knowledge in his smile. He is aware of where he is, and where others, those who presume to be his betters, place him in their hierarchy of things. He doesn't mind it. He flashes his full lips head on, and projects a sense of irony about his condition. I believe he does his job to the best of his capabilities. And that's enough for him. That gives him a sense of purpose. That gives him pride.

The processing on the image totally brings all these elements out for me. It's a harsh step, a risky processing move. It's a calculated step that's full of confidence and yes, that's prideful, as well. It's not trying to be pretty. It's a processing decision that bares an image to its basic qualities, and yes, that in itself takes guts, and smacks of pride.

Whether or not you read pride in him is subjective. Whether or not the voters who gave this shot high scores really thought he embodied "pride" is subjective. But it's obvious by the voting turnout that there is a resonance with the idea of pride in this image with the majority of the voters.

To cast doubt on that smacks of arrogance. That's the worst kind of pride there is.

PS FYI, 1,4,6, 7 and 10 in "pride" challenge got tens from me.

Message edited by author 2005-10-19 12:30:41.
 10/19/2005 12:31:14 PM · #35
rgo,

I am for the validity of DPC itself. I has nothing to do with me. What if you cast doubt for the benefit of others? Is that Pride? You clearly are a fan of the blue ribbon. Great. Doesn't bother me. Your explanation is thorough and understandable. Except that a picture of a man's face, with the title telling us who he is, still does nothing for pride. Pride was, and will continue to be, the downfall of mankind. And a picture of man's face could depict pride and Goodman's effort tries to do this. But it is still simply a portrait without context.
 10/19/2005 12:33:28 PM · #36
you know I really don't understand the idea of being disappointed in challenges...
it seems in these cases there is a personal sense of injustice...very similar to saying "my picture is underrated"...
I just can't see the value in letting other people's opinions affect my vision that strongly..I respect the process, I do not think doing well is a bad thing, but getting good scores has never really been my ultimate goal...I shot a portrait that I absolutely knew people wouldn't necessarily pick up on..but hey some did
( thanks Ennil for the commment)..and I like it, and am learning to shoot better what I see..
bear music I reallly don't think you need be offended..your shot is wonderful, and all you are hearing is one person's perception of Pride..obviously lots of people didn't see it that way..why let one dissenting voice ruin your day?....me I am always more thrilled to have even person one get excited by one of my shots than a high score...my own personal ribbons..JPR listed my shot as a fav..Blue Ribbon for me!
 10/19/2005 12:35:49 PM · #37
He, he, he, I'm not disappointed!
10/19/2005 12:36:04 PM · #38
Originally posted by jhonan:
How many flags have you memorised to date?

And decimal places of pi?

Knowledge of trivial things does not equate to intelligence.


But knowledge is knowledge. I'd rather have discussions with a "knowledgeable" person who has a basic knowledge of many things rather than with an "intelligent" person who is a genius at what they do but who have very little knowledge outside that. I think we've all met people like that.

Knowledge leads to enlightenment and enjoyment of life. A person should always strive to learn about people, places, and events. If you don't, you cheat yourself out of growth experiences. It doesn't mean you have to accept everything as it is. It's just that knowledge helps you understand.
 10/19/2005 12:36:42 PM · #39
Originally posted by bucket:
me I am always more thrilled to have even person one get excited by one of my shots than a high score...my own personal ribbons..JPR listed my shot as a fav..Blue Ribbon for me!


Means nothing, I know, but I enjoyed your shot as well. Was one of my 10s.
 10/19/2005 12:37:30 PM · #40
Why are you so wrapped up in portraits, faces, etc...when you, yourself, submitted a photo of lions?

Originally posted by Cutter:
rgo,

I am for the validity of DPC itself. I has nothing to do with me. What if you cast doubt for the benefit of others? Is that Pride? You clearly are a fan of the blue ribbon. Great. Doesn't bother me. Your explanation is thorough and understandable. Except that a picture of a man's face, with the title telling us who he is, still does nothing for pride. Pride was, and will continue to be, the downfall of mankind. And a picture of man's face could depict pride and Goodman's effort tries to do this. But it is still simply a portrait without context.

10/19/2005 12:37:47 PM · #41
wonderfully said Beagleboy. A true epistemologist.
 10/19/2005 12:37:55 PM · #42
Originally posted by ursula:
He, he, he, I'm not disappointed!


Takes a lot to disappoint a Canadian, eh Ursula? ;)
 10/19/2005 12:39:06 PM · #43
glad2,

Because of group of lions is called a PRIDE. Get it? Not the human condition, but the name for a "flock" of lions.
 10/19/2005 12:40:19 PM · #44
Originally posted by bucket:

bear music I reallly don't think you need be offended..your shot is wonderful, and all you are hearing is one person's perception of Pride..obviously lots of people didn't see it that way..why let one dissenting voice ruin your day?....me I am always more thrilled to have even person one get excited by one of my shots than a high score...my own personal ribbons..JPR listed my shot as a fav..Blue Ribbon for me!


***brief return***

I'm not "offended" in any personal way. Had Cutter singled out my image only among the top 10 to denigrate, I'd not have said a word. But the man expressed the opinion that the entire top 10 is supect, including all 3 ribbon winners, and I don't agree with that at all. It was just easier to use my own image as an exemplar, and safer, in the sense that I wouldn't be misrepresenting anyone else's.

Rgo weighed in later and did a wonderful dissection of the "pride component" in Goodman's Blue Ribbon image.

R.
 10/19/2005 12:40:22 PM · #45
Originally posted by Beagleboy:
Originally posted by ursula:
He, he, he, I'm not disappointed!


Takes a lot to disappoint a Canadian, eh Ursula? ;)


So it does, Denis, so it does! :) :) :)
 10/19/2005 12:41:42 PM · #46
Originally posted by Cutter:
glad2,

Because of group of lions is called a PRIDE. Get it? Not the human condition, but the name for a "flock" of lions.


It's a literal interpretation. I enjoyed it enough to have given it an 8 purely on the technical qualities of the shot. But some of us are looking for more than the literal. Yours is no match compared to a number of others.

Display some "class" and accept it.
 10/19/2005 12:43:39 PM · #47
Originally posted by Beagleboy:
But knowledge is knowledge. I'd rather have discussions with a "knowledgeable" person who has a basic knowledge of many things rather than with an "intelligent" person who is a genius at what they do but who have very little knowledge outside that. I think we've all met people like that.


Yea, they're called bores... :-)

To put this back in context. Does not having knowledge of the Canadian flag make someone unintelligent? - That was the original implication.

(I can't believe I'm still posting to this thread!) It is assumed in the US and Canada that 'everyone' knows what the maple leaf represents, probably because of ice hockey! But walk down a street in Europe and take a poll, the results would be different.

But it doesn't make these people unintelligent. It simply means they are less knowledgeable in this particular area of trivia.... :)
10/19/2005 12:43:59 PM · #48
Originally posted by bear_music:

Rgo weighed in later and did a wonderful dissection of the "pride component" in Goodman's Blue Ribbon image.

R.


And frankly, that's what matters within the context of this site. How voters see the shot, not how you see YOUR shot.

For one's own good, however, I'd hope that one has a good view of ONE's own shot regardless of how the voters thought.
 10/19/2005 12:44:56 PM · #49
I have not complained about my photo at all. Like I said, it is not about my finish. Anytime I am over 6, how can I be upset? It is about the ability of DPC to maintain its credibility. Celebration and Personification were great. Most are. But this particular challenge, probably because it was difficult, had a much tougher time finding winners that resonate with sound reason.
10/19/2005 12:45:39 PM · #50
Originally posted by Cutter:
wonderfully said Beagleboy. A true epistemologist.


I must be one of the unintelligent ones because I can't even say epistemologist. I had to look up the meaning too!!
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