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10/19/2005 02:49:21 AM · #1 |
I've been away for a couple of weeks so I'm seeing the sight with new eyes kind of but I long for the old days. This is not a rant, just an observation from someone who's been around for a while.
It seems like in the old days, the challenge would be announced and there would maybe be minor discussion for clarification about challenge descriptions. Yes somone would post up a definition of words used in the challenge description but the threads would be minimal and common sense would be used during 'voting'. Lately, there are ungodly (please don't move me to the rant section cause I mentioned god) long discussions about what the challenge is about. Is this really healthy for the long term life of DPC?
It seems like in the old days that outtake threads would not appear before the 'voting' period for the challenge was over. Now it appears that these threads are there before 'voting' even begins. Even if they appear after 'voting' begins but before the 'voting' is over, is this healthy for the site?
It seems like in the old days that photogs would actually do research about a subject theme (especially technical type challenges) but now ask for examples moments after the challenge is announced. Is this a good thing? I think not.
Oh how I wish things would go back to the way they were and expect them not to... |
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10/19/2005 02:52:16 AM · #2 |
back in the old days I remember threads just like this one
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10/19/2005 02:55:59 AM · #3 |
Can someone define "the old days" - I mean are we talking a year ago? two years? The site is only 3 and a half or so. I need clarification!
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I hear ya, TC. Change is the only constant. It's not always good, but look on the bright side, and when you do, snap a picture for the new Open Challenge.
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10/19/2005 03:03:45 AM · #4 |
i signed up for this site in early 2004...
if i remember correctly there was some weird "point system" requirement to enter challenges. i had enough points to enter 1 challenge and that was it. i basically forgot all about this site until i rediscovered the "new version" a couple of months ago, even paid to become a member :P
some changes are good |
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10/19/2005 03:04:01 AM · #5 |
for me it'll be three years in January.
and i was really only being a smartass. i agree with Ron in principal. My grandparents thought rock and roll (50s style) was anarchy. My parents KNEW that 80's punk was the end of the world as we know it. I myself am convinced that whatever that crap those young whippersnappers are listening to is going to be the demise of civilized society.
the more things change, the more they stay the same :) |
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10/19/2005 03:10:59 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by adamweb:
i signed up for this site in early 2004...
if i remember correctly there was some weird "point system" requirement to enter challenges. i had enough points to enter 1 challenge and that was it. i basically forgot all about this site until i rediscovered the "new version" a couple of months ago, even paid to become a member :P
some changes are good |
i don't ever remember a point system for entering challenges? did i just block out that memory?
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10/19/2005 03:14:20 AM · #7 |
Maybe he's thinking of one of the restricted challenges. Like where only ribbon winners could enter? Or the one where you had to have more comments given than received?
Otherwise, I've been here since 2004 too and don't remember a points system. |
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10/19/2005 03:16:19 AM · #8 |
| hrmmm, maybe it was the comments thing, not sure, just remember i couldn't enter any more challenges so i just cried and didn't come back hahaha |
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10/19/2005 03:53:36 AM · #9 |
There has always been at least one challenge open to any registered user. All other challenges have been in addition to that.
I'll more than second the complaint about topic threads, and especially about outtakes posted vefore the challenge is over -- I find that practice rude and selfish. I think if you want comments on a photo then enter it, but don't steal attention away from the people who did enter -- we are all starving for comments. |
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10/19/2005 03:59:45 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by adamweb:
i signed up for this site in early 2004...
if i remember correctly there was some weird "point system" requirement to enter challenges. i had enough points to enter 1 challenge and that was it. i basically forgot all about this site until i rediscovered the "new version" a couple of months ago, even paid to become a member :P
some changes are good |
Adam,
There has never been any point system requirement to enter challenges on DPChallenge. There was a brief period in 2003 where you had to vote on 95% or comment on 20% of the entries in a challenge to be able to enter the next one, but that only in place for a very short time before it was abandoned. Perhaps you're thinking of another site?
You also mention that you entered one challenge on your first go-round here in 2004, but I don't see the entry in your profile. Was that under a different username?
~Terry
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10/19/2005 04:28:06 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
There has always been at least one challenge open to any registered user. All other challenges have been in addition to that.
I'll more than second the complaint about topic threads, and especially about outtakes posted vefore the challenge is over -- I find that practice rude and selfish. I think if you want comments on a photo then enter it, but don't steal attention away from the people who did enter -- we are all starving for comments. |
This is the biggest fault of the site. It should be put into the rules but probably to hard to enforce and would drive people to display photos elsewhere. |
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10/19/2005 05:07:58 AM · #12 |
| Why not make it part of the rules or site "ettiquette" - like revealing your entry during a challenge. That should be written and available as well. |
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10/19/2005 07:27:01 AM · #13 |
Sorry General, but you confuse me a bit here with this comment. Aren't most outtakes posted by people who HAVE entered the challenge? That's what an outtake is isn't it? The image NOT entered instead of the one that was...
Originally posted by GeneralE:
... I think if you want comments on a photo then enter it, but don't steal attention away from the people who did enter -- we are all starving for comments. |
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10/19/2005 07:57:34 AM · #14 |
| I am seriously considering not renewing my mebership.....but it has nothing to do with anyone here. |
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10/19/2005 08:58:40 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by rex:
I am seriously considering not renewing my mebership.....but it has nothing to do with anyone here. |
Oh sure, it's probably my fault.
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10/19/2005 09:01:06 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by rex:
I am seriously considering not renewing my mebership.....but it has nothing to do with anyone here. |
What!!! You can't go anywhere!!!
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10/19/2005 09:22:48 AM · #17 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
...if you want comments on a photo then enter it, but don't steal attention away from the people who did enter... |
Any given photo posted in the threads usually fits the description of at least one current challenge, so barring outtakes essentially bars ANY independent photo discussion. I don't think there's any evidence that outtakes siphon off challenge comments either. If you enter a compelling image, you'll get tons of comments, and if you enter an "eh, whatever" image, you'll get very few. The existence or lack of outtakes has never changed that principle. |
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10/19/2005 09:25:50 AM · #18 |
| Perhaps DPC could give extra portfolio space for comments. 500 usefull comments = an extra 1mb of storage.. That would get us MB hogs commenting. |
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10/19/2005 09:41:31 AM · #19 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Sorry General, but you confuse me a bit here with this comment. Aren't most outtakes posted by people who HAVE entered the challenge? That's what an outtake is isn't it? The image NOT entered instead of the one that was...
Originally posted by GeneralE:
... I think if you want comments on a photo then enter it, but don't steal attention away from the people who did enter -- we are all starving for comments. |
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I'm especially talking about the "I didn't enter the ___ challenge -- check out my ... " or the "Missed the deadline -- how would this have done?" type, where the photos obviously relate to the current challenges, not just some new photo people are posting for comments. It seems to me that they are asking for special attention, when the first goal should be for people to vote on the actual entries.
I (obviously) can't quantify the effect, but it seems obvious that it attracts some attention away from the challenge 'voting'.
If it's an "outtake" by someone in the challenge, that person's essentially asking to have two entries evaluated.
Comparison of the "how would this have done?"-type of photo is only reasonable after the 'voting', when the photo in the thread can be compared (openly) to the actual entries, and the results. We seem to only talk about challenges before they happen ("Grain means ...") and hardly at all review/discuss the results (except for the "under-rated" threads).
I guess I just don't like the whole "No, look at me, look at me!" aspect of it ... maybe I'd feel better about it if I knew that only people who'd finished 'voting' were looking at them, but I doubt it. |
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10/19/2005 09:45:01 AM · #20 |
So why isnt SC locking these threads? or talking to the offenders? I've seen a lot of discord lately... and it needs to ee addressed, not by the members... but by SC
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Sorry General, but you confuse me a bit here with this comment. Aren't most outtakes posted by people who HAVE entered the challenge? That's what an outtake is isn't it? The image NOT entered instead of the one that was...
Originally posted by GeneralE:
... I think if you want comments on a photo then enter it, but don't steal attention away from the people who did enter -- we are all starving for comments. |
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I'm especially talking about the "I didn't enter the ___ challenge -- check out my ... " or the "Missed the deadline -- how would this have done?" type, where the photos obviously relate to the current challenges, not just some new photo people are posting for comments. It seems to me that they are asking for special attention, when the first goal should be for people to vote on the actual entries.
I (obviously) can't quantify the effect, but it seems obvious that it attracts some attention away from the challenge 'voting'.
If it's an "outtake" by someone in the challenge, that person's essentially asking to have two entries evaluated.
Comparison of the "how would this have done?"-type of photo is only reasonable after the 'voting', when the photo in the thread can be compared (openly) to the actual entries, and the results. We seem to only talk about challenges before they happen ("Grain means ...") and hardly at all review/discuss the results (except for the "under-rated" threads).
I guess I just don't like the whole "No, look at me, look at me!" aspect of it ... maybe I'd feel better about it if I knew that only people who'd finished 'voting' were looking at them, but I doubt it. |
Message edited by author 2005-10-19 09:46:40. |
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10/19/2005 09:48:39 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by di53:
So why isnt SC locking these threads? or talking to the offenders? |
Because it's not against the rules? |
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10/19/2005 09:49:16 AM · #22 |
Originally posted by di53:
So why isnt SC locking these threads? or talking to the offenders? I've seen a lot of discord lately... and it needs to ee addressed, not by the members... but by SC |
Because it's not a matter of the rules, just my personal opinion on etiquette. |
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10/19/2005 09:50:47 AM · #23 |
Why not just eliminate the "Current Challenge" heading. Just don't allow any discussion whatsoever until after the challenge!
Everybody would have to research and form their own opinions...what a concept... |
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10/19/2005 09:51:55 AM · #24 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
We seem to only talk about challenges before they happen ("Grain means ...") and hardly at all review/discuss the results (except for the "under-rated" threads).
I guess I just don't like the whole "No, look at me, look at me!" aspect of it ... maybe I'd feel better about it if I knew that only people who'd finished 'voting' were looking at them, but I doubt it. |
You made some good points. I was noticing (and posting to) the 'under-rated' threads today, when I started thinking along the same lines.
I've already viewed the shot 2 or 3 times during 'voting'. If I feel it warrants a comment at that stage, then I'll give it a comment. But my vote has been cast.
Why then am I opening threads the day after 'voting' closes only to see people looking for *more* opinions on the same shot? - Time to move on!
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10/19/2005 10:04:07 AM · #25 |
Originally posted by adamweb:
i signed up for this site in early 2004...
if i remember correctly there was some weird "point system" requirement to enter challenges. i had enough points to enter 1 challenge and that was it. i basically forgot all about this site until i rediscovered the "new version" a couple of months ago, even paid to become a member :P
some changes are good |
Is it possible you're thinking of the "PhoTournament" site (or something like that)? It was a sort of spin-off of this site, started by a disgruntled participant who didn't like the scoring and the open nature of this site. His version had all kinds of rules that limited entry, limited 'voting'. I don't remember the details (and haven't visited since he started the site - probably at least a year and a half to two years ago), but what you're describing sounds more like that site than DPC at any time since I've been here (early 2003). |
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