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 06/14/2003 11:01:00 AM · #1
Hey all...the picture on my current 15 inch CRT monitor is starting to degrade and so I've decided to buy a new one this week. I would like to take an informal poll as to what kinds of monitors you are using (CRT or LCD flat panels) and if you're happy with their performance and what you're recommendations are. Please include the make and model of your monitor too. Many thanks...jeff
 06/14/2003 11:16:57 AM · #2
I use a 19" Sony Multiscan E400, Trinitron monitor and I am very happy with it ..
I think if you are doing lots of photo editing a CRT monitor would be a better choice though high end LCD´s are also a fine choice but the pricetag on those matters alot I think

If you decide on getting a CRT i strongly recomend a Trinitron

Message edited by author 2003-06-14 11:17:56.
 06/14/2003 11:25:37 AM · #3
Thanks Zeranico...I have been leaning towards getting an LCD because I spend long hours in front of the computer and I want to reduce eye strain and the LCD's are supposed to reduce that as they have no flicker or reflections. But I've also heard that the CRT's are better concerning color accuracy. So I'm kinda torn at this point.
 06/14/2003 11:30:39 AM · #4
Well I spend about 10-14 hours a day in front of these Trintron monitors and I´m quite alright;)
//www.zeranico.com
 06/14/2003 11:39:08 AM · #5
I just bought a Daytek MV170 true 17" LCD (which for some reason has almost identical viewing area to my 19" Dell I use at work) and I'm very impressed. I think I like the picture better than the Dell (which costs more than this one); the resolution and colour are great, and it only cost me $550 Canadian ($410US).

FYI I also use a Vid card with a TV tuner, and I watch TV, DVDs etc on it all the time, and it's unbelievably clear.

that's my 2.7 cents (2 cents US)worth.

Pedro
 06/14/2003 12:01:58 PM · #6
lol...Thanks Pedro...never heard of Daytek before, but I will check them out. I'll probably only be buying a 15" LCD because of financial desk space constraints.
 06/14/2003 12:02:29 PM · #7
I use 17´´ Sony HMD-A220 FD Trinitron CRT HI-CON 1024x768@88hz, very fine monitor
06/14/2003 12:13:20 PM · #8
COSTCO, by the way...helps the pocketbook.

Originally posted by Olyuzi:
lol...Thanks Pedro...never heard of Daytek before, but I will check them out. I'll probably only be buying a 15" LCD because of financial desk space constraints.
 06/14/2003 12:25:24 PM · #9
I use the HP f70 17inch 1280X1024 LCD flat panel. It is very bright and has great contrast. The colors appear spot on, although I have never measured it.
Dell has a line of LCD monitors with Ultrasharp in the description. They have very good brightness and contrast. If you go LCD, look for 250 on the brightness and at least 300:1 on the contrast - more is better in both cases.
Dennis
 06/14/2003 01:03:47 PM · #10
Originally posted by DennisF:
I use the HP f70 17inch 1280X1024 LCD flat panel. It is very bright and has great contrast. The colors appear spot on, although I have never measured it.
Dell has a line of LCD monitors with Ultrasharp in the description. They have very good brightness and contrast. If you go LCD, look for 250 on the brightness and at least 300:1 on the contrast - more is better in both cases.
Dennis

More is definitely better, especially where contrast is concerned. I would not buy an LCD for image editing work with less than 400:1 contrast. They are available, and yes, they are somewhat more expensive, but the difference in image quality is very significant.
I edited two of my challenge entries on my laptop LCD screen which has 300:1 contrast, and was disappointed when I got home and viewed the files on my Sony E500 (trinitron) monitor. I certainly didn't help my scores using the laptop!
 06/14/2003 01:51:03 PM · #11
I have been considering purchasing the Sony X52 LCD which has a contrast of 400 and brightness of 300. It's only 15 inches, but also has a DVI port. Does anyone have any thoughts or opinions on DVI and if it improves picture quality? I have heard both good, and indifferent when it comes to DVI.

My major concern with my purchase, of course, is that it should be the best for photo editing. I'm really undecided about this as I've heard CRT's are better for more accurate color.

I have been very dissapointed in my challenge entries when viewed from a friend's or family member's monitor. My photos looked much different from what I thought I had created. I think they would have done much better in the ratings had I had a good monitor, instead of the 1994 model CRT I had been using, made by Packard Bell. So now, the most important purchase I believe I can make is my computer monitor. I want to buy it this week.
 06/14/2003 02:13:38 PM · #12
Depending on how discriminating you are, I'd look at these: //store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/71102/wo/MkTEzErAE85Y3Lo0f9qGnZyamjV/0.0.5.1.0.5.13.0.1.1.3.0.7.7.1.1.0

Perfect edge to edge colour, distortion-free viewing up to 170 degrees off-axis. Unlike any other flat-panel displays, these do not need adjusting, ever. They are impervious to humity, magnetic pulls etc.

Not the cheapest, but it's what the big boys use.

Message edited by author 2003-06-14 14:13:53.
 06/14/2003 02:23:46 PM · #13
Jeffrey,
I think the Sony X52 is a great choice, by the numbers. If you have a chance, visit a retailer who carries it, take along some jpeg files on a CD and view them. Compare the LCD to trinitron-based CRTs and see what your gut tells you.
Although it may be a budget stretch, you might also consider the X72. The 1280x1024 resolution of the X72 is equivalent to 67% more screen area, and it makes a huge difference. Again, seeing it firsthand will help greatly.
As regards DVI, in theory it should help, but I have not seen what I would deem reliable test data to indicate there is a major difference. To use it, you will need a video card with DVI output, of course.
Good luck... by your descripton of your current monitor, you really do need an upgrade, and I think you will be incredibly happy you did it.

06/14/2003 03:38:36 PM · #14
I own a Samsung 151v. I was impressed with the colors. I also own a compaq MV720 which is a CRT and it leaves it in the dust.
15" viewable - 1024x768 resolution
High Contrast 330:1 - One touch Auto-Adjust
Low Power <25 Watts max 3Years parts/Labor Warranty
Happy shopping
 06/14/2003 05:10:59 PM · #15
Originally posted by Musicman:
I own a Samsung 151v. I was impressed with the colors. I also own a compaq MV720 which is a CRT and it leaves it in the dust.
15" viewable - 1024x768 resolution
High Contrast 330:1 - One touch Auto-Adjust
Low Power <25 Watts max 3Years parts/Labor Warranty
Happy shopping


Musicman, are you saying that the Samsung is much better than the Compaq CRT you have? I was very impressed with my nephew's Samsung 151s...it was a pleasure to look and I didn't feel any eye strain. At $269 online, I am very tempted to go with that monitor. Your thoughts please?
 06/14/2003 05:13:20 PM · #16
Originally posted by zeuszen:
Depending on how discriminating you are, I'd look at these: //store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/71102/wo/MkTEzErAE85Y3Lo0f9qGnZyamjV/0.0.5.1.0.5.13.0.1.1.3.0.7.7.1.1.0

Perfect edge to edge colour, distortion-free viewing up to 170 degrees off-axis. Unlike any other flat-panel displays, these do not need adjusting, ever. They are impervious to humity, magnetic pulls etc.

Not the cheapest, but it's what the big boys use.


Thanks Zeuszen...I'm trying to check out those monitors right now, although having some difficutlty getting there. Can you use an Apple monitor with a PC/Win system?
 06/14/2003 05:45:29 PM · #17
I scrapped my PC (not just for the displays alone), but the long answer is 'yes'.

Apple now makes an ADC to DVI connector which links the hardware successfully. I have, however, not been able to make the Win side handle the software end of it. The drivers or anything equivalent built into the Mac OS (OS X) are not available for Windows, as yet... Ergo, the short answer, for now: 'no'.

I have been told by Apple, that there is a 'will and a way' to address this, due to industry demands.

If I were you, especially if cost is a concern, I'd check out some used/refurbished G 4's at your local Apple store or dealer, and purchase a new display, since it's not that easy to find one of these babies used. :-)
I'd like the idea of an integrated system, really.

In the meantime, here's another link you may wish to investigate //www.apple.com/switch/





06/14/2003 09:22:32 PM · #18
I suppose the question on using an Apple display with a PC would be: is the risk of it not working with your video card worth the better quality?

Here's a discussion of logistics, which touches on compatible PC video cards:

Link

Martin
 06/15/2003 03:11:47 AM · #19
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
Originally posted by Musicman:
I own a Samsung 151v. I was impressed with the colors. I also own a compaq MV720 which is a CRT and it leaves it in the dust.
15" viewable - 1024x768 resolution
High Contrast 330:1 - One touch Auto-Adjust
Low Power <25 Watts max 3Years parts/Labor Warranty
Happy shopping


Musicman, are you saying that the Samsung is much better than the Compaq CRT you have? I was very impressed with my nephew's Samsung 151s...it was a pleasure to look and I didn't feel any eye strain. At $269 online, I am very tempted to go with that monitor. Your thoughts please?


Yes, but that is only my opinion. I would recommend you check it out first hand for yourself but it looks like you have (your nephew's). All I'm saying to you is that I would not hesistate in buying another 151v if mine gave out and ran out of warranty (2 1/2 years from now, since I still have that much time left in my warranty).

edit: corrected phrase.

Message edited by author 2003-06-15 03:13:39.
 06/15/2003 11:06:40 AM · #20
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 06/15/2003 11:46:08 AM · #21
Well to comment on a few CRT things, and I'm not an expert... (and I don't know much about current LCD monitors)

1) I believe (and I could be wrong) that Daytek is only sold in Canada.

2) I think that the Sony trinitron makes a exellent TV CRT, but not as a Computer monitor. I used to use one for work and the little black lines that run horizontally across the screen drove me insane. I have to switch back to my old monitor. (Unless they have fixed that problem since then)

3) I think the Dot Pitch and Refresh rate (vertical frequency) are probably the most important things you should be looking at.

I noticed that the Dot Pitch (.25mm is very good) seriously affects the contrast and sharpness of the image. Especially if you get a chance to see the difference side by side.
A good refresh rate (above about 75Hz at your desired resolution) reduces eye strain if you use the monitor for a long time. Be aware that the max refresh rate of the monitor differs depending on the screen resolution setting in windows.

The Max resolition might not be so critical. I have a 19 inch montior and I have never used it at more that 1280x1024, even though my monitor and video card are capable of much higher. Things just get too small. On the other hand, I would try to get the largest monitor you can aford (and that you have space for). After having a 19" monitor I can not go back to a smaller one.

I personally own a NEC MultiSync 95, which I bought 3 years ago. My biggest concerns, for what I was doing back then, were price and size (19"). It is fairly sharp over the whole screen, but suffers from Moiré. And because of the lower Dot Pitch (.28 mm) I have to crank up the temperature and brightness to get my whites, white.

Hope that helps....



Message edited by author 2003-06-15 11:49:56.
 06/15/2003 03:52:54 PM · #22
Haveing recently moved to LCD (Sharp LL-T15G1) there is no way i would move back to a CRT. The LCD is far superior with colours, brightness,contrast etc. Easier on the eye's and takes up far less space (i have mine attached to an arm so i can swing it out of the way) and uses far less power.
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