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Nikon AF Nikkor 35mm f/2.0D

09/18/2005 01:47:41 PM · #1

I am editing a photo for the "Destinations" challenge and I was wondering if itÂ´s legal to alther the proportions of a photo or not?

To show you what I mean I edited my entry from the latest free study.

Here it is unaltered.

Here it is after I went to "image size" and changed it to 600x600 pixles, I did nothing else to the photo.

Is this legal or not?

zarniwoop

Nikon D50

09/18/2005 01:52:11 PM · #2

I'm sure it's permissible under advanced rules.

Travis99

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

09/18/2005 01:58:23 PM · #3

I like the unedited version much better.

09/18/2005 02:04:36 PM · #4

Originally posted by Travis99:

I like the unedited version much better.

Thank you for taking the time to give your input (and I very much agree, the original is much better) but that isnÂ´t what I was asking and frankly irrelevant because this is obviously not the shot I am thinking about submitting for "Destinations", I was merely taking a random photo and editing it to explain what I was asking.

Message edited by author 2005-09-18 14:10:25.

oOWonderBreadOo

Canon EF 16-35mm f/2.8L USM

09/18/2005 03:36:01 PM · #5

yes it is legal to crop your image
in both advanced and basic editing....

Message edited by author 2005-09-18 15:36:30.

dickwilhelm

Canon EOS-30D

Canon EF 75-300mm f/4.0-5.6 IS USM

09/18/2005 03:44:37 PM · #6

Originally posted by oOWonderBreadOo:

yes it is legal to crop your image
in both advanced and basic editing....

Larus is asking if it is legal to resize an image but not maintain vert/horiz proportions. I see nothing in either the basic or advanced rule that would prevent that. If you get DQ'd, blame me.

DW

oOWonderBreadOo

Canon EF 16-35mm f/2.8L USM

09/18/2005 03:59:27 PM · #7

you can crop it however you like & do not have to maintain proportions

Travis99

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

09/18/2005 04:06:48 PM · #8

Originally posted by Larus:

Originally posted by Travis99:
I like the unedited version much better.

Thank you for taking the time to give your input (and I very much agree, the original is much better) but that isnÂ´t what I was asking and frankly irrelevant because this is obviously not the shot I am thinking about submitting for "Destinations", I was merely taking a random photo and editing it to explain what I was asking.

Hey I have feelings you know.

SDW

Canon EOS-60D

Tamron AF 28-300mm f/3.5-6.3 XR Di LD Aspherical IF for Canon

09/18/2005 04:15:27 PM · #9

I think free transform is legal if you don't move major elements.
1. Increase canvas by 110% height.
2. Free transform and stretch to the top and bottom.

I just tried it and it looked good. It kept most things in proportion and looked more in line with a good ratio.

Note: You may want to ask SC
example:

EDIT: I believe your original is great the way it is...

Message edited by author 2005-09-18 16:16:04.

oOWonderBreadOo

Canon EF 16-35mm f/2.8L USM

09/18/2005 04:42:37 PM · #10

sorry- didn't take the time to look close enough (duh!) not sure if that's legal or not, you'll have to wait for an answer form SC I guess...

09/18/2005 05:00:46 PM · #11

Originally posted by Travis99:

Originally posted by Larus:

Originally posted by Travis99:
I like the unedited version much better.

Thank you for taking the time to give your input (and I very much agree, the original is much better) but that isnÂ´t what I was asking and frankly irrelevant because this is obviously not the shot I am thinking about submitting for "Destinations", I was merely taking a random photo and editing it to explain what I was asking.

Hey I have feelings you know.

I donÂ´t really understand this response? Did I manage to offend you in some way? Not my intent so if I did I apologize, keep in mind that english is my third language. All I was meaning with this previous post is that I wanted to keep this thread on topic.

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon

09/18/2005 05:02:37 PM · #12

Originally posted by SDW65:

Thanx for taking the time to respond but again (as I said in my original response to Travis99) this doesnÂ´t really have anything to do with my entry in the free study, I just used that photo to illustrate what I was going to do with my entry in "Destinations"

strangeghost

Canon EOS-7D

09/18/2005 05:05:29 PM · #13

I'm pretty sure that what you've done (vertical stretch) would be considered ILLEGAL regardless of the editing rules. Stretching an image like that means you're moving every pixel relative to every other pixel. Moving that many pixels smells like an illegal edit to me. SC has the final say, of course, but I'd proceed with GREAT caution.

Pentax DA 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 AF

09/18/2005 05:08:06 PM · #14

Originally posted by strangeghost:

I agree with you 100% and that is precisely why I started this thread. Does anyone from SC have the time to check this out? Pretty please?

saracat

Pentax K10D

09/18/2005 06:53:32 PM · #15

bump.
I'm curious too.

Manic

DJI Mini 3 Pro

Kamlan 28mm F1.4 MF for APS-C

09/18/2005 07:11:06 PM · #16

It's definitely not legal in Basic, but we're currently discussing whether we think it'd be permissable in Advanced or not. We'll get back to you on this one :o)

David.C

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.8D

09/18/2005 07:21:15 PM · #17

Originally posted by Manic:

It's definitely not legal in Basic, but we're currently discussing whether we think it'd be permissable in Advanced or not. We'll get back to you on this one :o)

When you get back to us on it, could you include how the perspective and skewing tools fit into that ruling as well. They all do the same thing in slightly different ways -- the these two have been ruled legal in the past.

I understand it could be argued either way, and do not have a definitive opinion myself, but it would be good to have all the similar tools dealt with at once.

It would be even better, if it's not too much trouble, if the ruling could be worded without reference to specific tools.

David

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

09/18/2005 07:23:50 PM · #18

Originally posted by Manic:

It's definitely not legal in Basic, but we're currently discussing whether we think it'd be permissable in Advanced or not. We'll get back to you on this one :o)

Thanx, appreciate it a lot, hope you manage to answer it soon as itÂ´s nearing bedtime here in Iceland DonÂ´t get me wrong I donÂ´t mean to put pressure on you guys, I am happy with my entry as it is and I will submit it like it is if you donÂ´t have the chance to answer this question right away, I just think it looks cooler and more dramatic if I change the perspective.

Cheers! :o)

notonline

Canon EOS-350D Rebel XT

09/19/2005 08:04:33 AM · #19

Originally posted by Manic:

It's definitely not legal in Basic, but we're currently discussing whether we think it'd be permissable in Advanced or not. We'll get back to you on this one :o)

I'd like to know why its not legal in basic since all he is doing is changing the size. He's not adding anything to the photo. What rules is he breaking for basic???

dahkota

Canon EOS-7D

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4.0L USM

09/19/2005 08:41:52 AM · #20

Originally posted by notonline:

Originally posted by Manic:
It's definitely not legal in Basic, but we're currently discussing whether we think it'd be permissable in Advanced or not. We'll get back to you on this one :o)

I'd like to know why its not legal in basic since all he is doing is changing the size. He's not adding anything to the photo. What rules is he breaking for basic???

He's not just changing size, he's altering pixel data by 'stretching' it. Cropping changes size, this changes pixels.

frisca

Nikon D70

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.8D

09/19/2005 01:49:42 PM · #21

Yes, what dahkota said! Altering pixels in this manner is a no-no in basic, and after much discussion, Site Council has resolved that such a distortion where the ratio is altered is permissible under the current rules for Advanced editing.

Selective distortion in advanced is a different matter (though illegal in basic still) and I would suggest to anyone wishing to use selective distortion to run your idea/image by Site Council so we have a concrete example to consider.

Thanks!

SDW

Canon EOS-60D

Tamron AF 28-300mm f/3.5-6.3 XR Di LD Aspherical IF for Canon

09/19/2005 02:13:03 PM · #22

Free transform is used like crop (perspective) except your not cropping. As in a perspective crop the same happens in free transform (stretching) pixels are move to create the effect.

Here is a blue ribbon winner that I think a perspective change was made. And it was validated.

NOTE: For the record, it's a wonder photograph.