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06/04/2003 02:11:44 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by mavrik:
I think everyone on here is ridiculously tough on pictures, btw, myself included. When the "best" shots get a 7.2, that's silly. For all the crap some people get, they have VERY high votes given - I'd just like to say that I think we're almost ALL good photogs and giving anyone a 2 or 3 is hard. My point is I give 1s for not meeting the challenge and almost nothing else. Why have a challenge if you're going to be SO creative you don't read the description? |
That's interesting. I also find it curious to see comments about how wonderful, perfect, appropriate, etc., a picture is, then the commenter says they're giving it a 5??? On the one hand, I don't readily give out 10s, and I only give out 1s on really bad shots that totally don't relate to the challenge (well, ok, occasionally on shots that the subject is totally disgusting to me - so shoot me), I usually rate good or better than average photos at least a 6. And, yeah, anything that meets the challenge, I have to be really turned off by it on technical grounds, and usually agonize a little, to go below a 4.
...and, I think the descriptions need to be moved to the home page. People apparently are not reading them. |
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06/04/2003 02:17:22 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by ScottK:
With the added explaination, that's definitly a creative, abstract interpretation of the challenge - it makes it personal to you. Unfortunately, it didn't quite come across that way. Maybe I was too dense or didn't think enough on it, since you did try to make a personal connection in the title, but I never got past "it's the snail's house". Sorry. |
That's absolutely fine : )
I expected 'doesn't meet the challenge' votes so I won't complain about them.
Originally posted by mavrik:
Why have a challenge if you're going to be SO creative you don't read the description? |
As I posted elsewhere, I did read the description, but almost a week later it had gotten a bit fuzzy. When I re-read it on the submission page I knew I had missed it, but I felt that I was close enough to the challenge to risk it. It's not like I submitted a flower macro or totally ignored the challenge. If you look at my previous entries you'll see that I don't make a habit of this.
Again, I'm not complaining - it's actually nice to know why I got those 1's for a change ; )
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06/04/2003 02:23:29 PM · #28 |
[quote=ScottK
I also find it curious to see comments about how wonderful, perfect, appropriate, etc., a picture is, then the commenter says they're giving it a 5??? [/quote]
LOL. Those are patronizing comments made by people who cherish political correctness and want to be liked. I call them 'well done, little girl' comments and don't mark them as helpful anymore. |
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06/04/2003 02:34:57 PM · #29 |
Here's how I vote:
I give every image the benefit of a doubt and start it off at 5. If it meets the challenge I bump it up to six. If it's a great image also, I bump it up to a 7. If it's an exceptional image I give it an 8. I reserve 9s for images that "move" you in some way - the ones that leave you in awe. I never give 10s, that's perfection - that's what we are all striving for. If an image doesn't meet the challenge, then sorry, it gets a 1 automatically, great image or not. 4, 3, 2 are reserved for varying degrees of poor quality images which have met the challenge guidelines. I must admit that I don't comment near enough, I just find it's really time consuming. But I'll try in the future. :)
Owen
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06/04/2003 02:41:44 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by bod:
As I posted elsewhere, I did read the description, but almost a week later it had gotten a bit fuzzy. When I re-read it on the submission page I knew I had missed it, but I felt that I was close enough to the challenge to risk it. It's not like I submitted a flower macro or totally ignored the challenge. If you look at my previous entries you'll see that I don't make a habit of this.
Again, I'm not complaining - it's actually nice to know why I got those 1's for a change ; ) |
LOL True. I mean - it happened a lot. I don't think everyone did this, ya know? I think some people just misinterpreted. Plus, as you said, this IS your home - moving, packing up, carrying it on your back. Now we voters didn't know that, but it makes some sense.
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06/04/2003 02:55:41 PM · #31 |
Above all, I enjoy seeing very creative interpretations of the challenge theme. For me, a unique concept will often times bring up the score of an otherwise average 'visual', with a great visual AND great interp being the ultimate goal of the game we play here. Example, in the Home-Sweet-Home challenge I awarded this a 10. The picture itself is actually visually decent, and could be even worse and still warrant a high score. Although its not the usual eye candy I'd leave hanging on my wall, the twofold irony of this shot ('homeless' juxtaposed over the 'moble'/'wireless' sinage) was simply too much to bear. In my (short) span here, I'd never seen what I thought was a better, more clever, lucky, interpretation of the theme.
Along the same lines, its always great entertainment to see what cliches will arise during each challenge theme. I fell asleep counting shots of cheap sunglasses I during the Matrix challenge.
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06/04/2003 03:12:21 PM · #32 |
See, now that's one where I had a problem with the "YOUR home" condition. If the challenge had simply been "Home Sweet Home", with no description, I would have accepted that as an ironic turn on the phrase, as well as a clever pun. But with the description, it fails to meet the challenge. It's not a 1 for me, because there's at least some "home" connection, and it's not close to a 10, but that's personal impression, but the challenge description makes a big difference for me on this shot.
And... I agree on the sunglasses comment. Limiting yourself to the description of the challenge doesn't mean you have to fall into "cliche mode". In fact, if you realy are creative, it's finding something different or unusual WITHIN defined boundries that shows off your creativity, no ignoring the boundries altogether. One man's opinion...
Message edited by author 2003-06-04 15:15:10. |
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06/04/2003 04:03:17 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by ScottK:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by briphoto:
Yeah, you could submit that photo (previous post), and get (and deserve) embarassingly low scores. |
I'm sorry, if my "neighbor" had submitted that you would have considered it to not meet the challenge? |
I can't speak for briphoto, but I think maybe what he was saying was the photo itself would have gotten low scores. Maybe I'm missing something, but I can't even tell what it is! It seems extremely blurry, and I can't recognize a subject. No offense meant, maybe my eyes are off this morning... |
OK -- I know it's a technically bad snapshot.
That's someone's sleeping bag, water jug, and other posessions on a ledge under a freeway overpass where the person had been "living."
It's quite nearby so I'll re-shoot the setting later .... |
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06/05/2003 01:56:39 AM · #34 |
Sorry, but based on the description, again, I would have scored it lower for this challenge because it's not "your home".
Here's an irony of how a lot of the entries are turning out - in many cases where dwellings were shot, they weren't the dwellings of the photographer - you just couldn't determine that one way or the other from the photo. When you take a picture like the one you just posted or the "Mobil Home" shot, it's not a far leap to assume a homeless person probably doesn't have a digital camera, PC and internet connection, and so it probably wasn't the photographer's home.
So there's the way for all the "non-literalists" to get the last laugh on us "literalists": Shoot pictures that APPEAR to meet the criteria, but really don't, then spring a giant AHA! on us after the challenge is over. ;-) |
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