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06/04/2003 12:43:56 AM · #1 |
Firstly, congrats to the winners, gotta say they are first rate shots!!! At the same time, two out of three didn't even show a dwelling, inside or out. Sorry, but to me, my home is where I sleep, eat, etc., not the road that takes me there or the trees in my backyard. At least Sonifo's showed an abode. And unless you're a freakin' squirrel or a hobo, a tree or a road ain't "the place you call home." Musta been some subliminal message playin' in the background...."Don't think literally...don't think literally....Home is where the heart is....Home is only a state of mind...hhhhhmmmmmmm....." Am I being a troll? Does anyone else feel this way?
Bye the way, I'm quite pleased with my showing; 30th is my best showing so far. Really not jealous or anything. I just wish everyone would stick to the challenge outlines, otherwise why not make this a theme free place?
Owen
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06/04/2003 12:55:17 AM · #2 |
| I'm not very strict with challenge interpretation (thought "Homeward Bound" was fine) but this week's winner was a stretch. No disrespect to ninerfan - great pic. |
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06/04/2003 12:58:09 AM · #3 |
| I see what you mean, I took this photo and got my ass handed to me because it wasn't shot of an actual house, but then I see two photos without homes in them and so now I'm up confused. |
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06/04/2003 01:04:41 AM · #4 |
| I think we need a little bit of room to be free and be able to freely express ourselves within each challenge. To me home sweet home is where my little boy is, where my dog and the cats are, home is a feeling of love. Showing part of a house is House sweet home. A house isn't a home without love, I think the challenge needed to portray the things within the house that make it home so if it was a child, a pet or a flower so be it that is what makes the house comfortable and full of love thus creating Home Sweet Home. |
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06/04/2003 01:12:40 AM · #5 |
| the challenge said to take a photo of "your home". thus it was not really open for people to be free with. I scored people down when they took photos of things other than something that appeared to be the home of the photographer. If it said take a photo of 'home' and did not say it had to be yours, I would have allowed more freedom |
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06/04/2003 01:37:14 AM · #6 |
| Hey guys - this was my first challenge. Some people said I should have explained my photo - why it was a picture of home. Should this be something we do as photographers? I mean... I don't know. I just know that this picture was home for me when I was younger - it was a place I would go to feel secure, have fun, and spend time by myself. At times I felt better here than anywhere else... that was why I went in the early morning - because the only way I could really get that warm feeling across was to take a picture of the sun coming through - but the mist that morning only added to the feeling! |
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06/04/2003 01:41:49 AM · #7 |
Ninerfan...I really like the shot. I think it's a great interpretation of home. Home for me isn't my actual house either. There is a very warm feeling to your photo. I wish I knew how to get shots like that. My camera and I don't get along well. I know what I want, know what I see...but can't get it in the camera. Oh well. Maybe some day. lol Great piece of work!
~Heather~ |
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06/04/2003 01:53:53 AM · #8 |
Sorry for all you literalists, but here is the exact wording:
Challenge: Home Sweet Home
Details: Photograph the place you call home -- and be creative doing it!
"Place" not structure, "you call" not what everyone else lives in, "be creative!" not shoot a picture of your front door.
As someone said before the challenge started, the "Place" I live is on some street in Oakland, Alameda County, California, USA, Spaceship Earth. Dwelling structures are not a requirement of the definition.
The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread.
Anatole France (1844 - 1924), The Red Lily, 1894, chapter 7
If I hadn't shot it a few days before the challenge, I would have submitted this shot of my neighbor's place.  |
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06/04/2003 02:18:53 AM · #9 |
| Yeah, you could submit that photo (previous post), and get (and deserve) embarassingly low scores. As far as the challenge definition, I agree with the (so called, pejoratively) "literalists". Some photos really stretched the definition. The "place you call home" is not really very ambiguous, but people couldn't find good ideas in their home, so they have to stretch the definition. It happens every challenge, so just get used to it. It's a tendency of this site, if you can't live with it, you'll have to find a site where the rules are observed strictly. I hope you don't, just learn from the experience. |
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06/04/2003 02:37:29 AM · #10 |
As one of the shots singled out for being a Loose Interpretation of Home, I thought I'd add an alternative view to the mix.
The challenge description is rather vague. Should you just take a photo of your house? Your city of residence? Should it be all or just part of your residence? I bet if you ask all the voters they'd all come up with different answers.
My impression was that you should take a photograph of some part of your home - a door, a window, a room. However does a door or a window convey "homeness" anymore than a path or a street sign? What about a spider?
I'm certainly not complaining about my score as my picture had two counts against it - it was a picture of a creepy crawly thing, and wasn't obvious where it was taken. But.. how many people have never stumbled across a spider in their house? How many people have noticed spiders at their friend's houses, or at their offices? For me, the answers to those questions are I find them more often than I care to admit and I've never noticed them at friend's places, and that's enough to link it to the challenge for me.
I stand by my reasons for submittal.
-Matt
Message edited by author 2003-06-04 02:39:20. |
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06/04/2003 02:50:54 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by briphoto:
Yeah, you could submit that photo (previous post), and get (and deserve) embarassingly low scores. As far as the challenge definition, I agree with the (so called, pejoratively) "literalists". Some photos really stretched the definition. The "place you call home" is not really very ambiguous, but people couldn't find good ideas in their home, so they have to stretch the definition. It happens every challenge, so just get used to it. It's a tendency of this site, if you can't live with it, you'll have to find a site where the rules are observed strictly. I hope you don't, just learn from the experience. |
I'm sorry, if my "neighbor" had submitted that you would have considered it to not meet the challenge? Remember, you wouldn't know whose photo it is ... LITERALLY THAT IS SOMEONE'S HOME.
As the teenagers said a while ago, PUHleeze!
(I'm not talking about the lighting or focus or cropping (none) or adjustment (none) or anything but the subject.)
Message edited by author 2003-06-04 02:52:13. |
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06/04/2003 02:53:57 AM · #12 |
Yet another interpretation for the mix:
A house is not a home.
I don't feel I've found a place that I would call home in the emotional sense since I left my parent's house 14 years ago. I tried to illustrate that with a shot of something that is forever moving, carrying it's home on it's back.
I would have loved to have been able to lie flat out in the garden and use my house as a background to appease the literal voters, but the weather wasn't playing ball.
I think this challenge just shows that the more you try to lock down the definition, the more people will "get creative" and do things you didn't expect - which is a great side of human nature.
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06/04/2003 03:02:36 AM · #13 |
I agree with bod. A house is not a home. My home is 60 miles and about five years away.
My family moved from the only place I'd ever lived when I was a senior in high school. Shortly after, I moved off to college. Nowhere is as home-like to me as that first house. But I can no longer go back. Not just because somebody else lives there, but because it doesn't look like my home anymore. It just doesn't seem as well taken care of as it was when we lived there.
My submission isn't really my home. It's a house in the area I currently live that, when I looked at it, made me feel like I was walking past my own home, seeing how it's been neglected.
Pick on it all you want, but sometimes what home is isn't what you think. |
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06/04/2003 04:42:38 AM · #14 |
Now that the challenge is over I feel I can discuss specifics without endangering anybody's score.
I gave good marks to shots of landscapes (like Colorado) which were titled in such a way that I could relate it to the challenge, or of flowers in the front garden (if I could at least see some of the rest of the garden or house), or home towns, and even pets (once again when shown in some way connected to a dwelling). There were however shots, like Bod's very nice snail (sorry about singling you out bod), which IMO cannot in any way shape or form be connected to the challenge description, which I gave a 1. Others received 4's, 3's and 2's from me if I could relate in some way, but had to stretch a little (scores dropped as degree of stretching increased). I have to admit that not one of the top three shots received very good marks from me, which shows that I still have a lot to learn, especially when it comes to the preferences of the DPC'ers :)
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06/04/2003 06:41:44 AM · #15 |
I'm with the non-literalists...
When I talk about my home - that word conveys an awful lot to me - certainly not just the physical dwelling in which I reside.
Home to me is actually almost synonymous with my closest family - wherever they are (I guess the same as saying wherever my heart is) that's my mental home.
Home to me is also London - all of it in it's glory and it's grime - the weirdo nutters on the Tube, the majestic historical architecture, the wonderful ethnic melting pot of China Town, Southall, Brixton, chewing gum on the pavement, Evening Standard stalls at so many corners.
When someone asks me where I live, I don't give them my postal address, I tell them London - or possibly I get as narrow as North Finchley - the area of London in which I live.
But to me - the physical dwelling in which I live (which my husband and I own outright) is my house, and yes, my home in a strict sense, but it's not the best way for me to sum up the whole meaning of "home" to me.
PS. I didn't enter the challenge - but I did actually consider it and my entry would likely have been something that represented my home area not my house.
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06/04/2003 06:49:42 AM · #16 |
[quote=Martus]which IMO cannot in any way shape or form be connected to the challenge description, which I gave a 1. Others received 4's, 3's and 2's from me [quote]
Martus? Are you maybe giving pictures score on how they meet the challange?
- you should maybe think more about the shot it self and give people the freedom to be "creative"?
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06/04/2003 07:07:36 AM · #17 |
Originally posted by vjoz:
Martus? Are you maybe giving pictures score on how they meet the challange?
- you should maybe think more about the shot it self and give people the freedom to be "creative"? |
I'll jump in and defend Martus on this - I think the voters should feel free to vote how they want, and not pressured into somebody elses voting method.
If a voter cannot see the connection I have attempted to make to the challenge, or does not believe it fits the challenge, then they should vote accordingly.
Despite my entry I do believe that meeting the challenge is still important.
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06/04/2003 07:08:27 AM · #18 |
Originally posted by vjoz:
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Martus? Are you maybe giving pictures score on how they meet the challange?
- you should maybe think more about the shot it self and give people the freedom to be "creative"?
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vjoz, there was a very lengthy discussion about this very topic in //www.dpchallenge.com/forum.php?action=read&FORUM_THREAD_ID=26379. In this thread you'll find my motivation for not only voting borderline submissions low, but giving photos which IMO do not meet the challenge at all a 1. Fourteen entries recieved ones from me in the Home Sweet Home challenge, one was later changed to a four following a lengthy debate with the photographer.
I will from now do the same in every challenge (although judging from the way these 13 photos placed, my vote did not make much difference).
I haven't voted on Liquid yet, but I had a quick scan through, and didn't see any potential one's. I believe Home Sweet Home just left too much room for very "creative" submissions.
The magazine challenge is going to be fun. In my opinion, anything goes.
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06/04/2003 07:53:18 AM · #19 |
I guess the people have spoken and the best, most creative, albeit "loosely interpreted" have won. I really did think the winners were great images. But if I had realized, I wouldn't have taken so much care in photographing "the place" I "call home." Maybe in "Home Sweet Home - Revisited", I'll shoot a globe or map or something. Well maybe not, it's probably not "out there" enough. :)
Owen
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06/04/2003 01:46:17 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by briphoto:
Yeah, you could submit that photo (previous post), and get (and deserve) embarassingly low scores. |
I'm sorry, if my "neighbor" had submitted that you would have considered it to not meet the challenge? |
I can't speak for briphoto, but I think maybe what he was saying was the photo itself would have gotten low scores. Maybe I'm missing something, but I can't even tell what it is! It seems extremely blurry, and I can't recognize a subject. No offense meant, maybe my eyes are off this morning... |
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06/04/2003 01:50:38 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by bod:
Yet another interpretation for the mix:
A house is not a home.
I don't feel I've found a place that I would call home in the emotional sense since I left my parent's house 14 years ago. I tried to illustrate that with a shot of something that is forever moving, carrying it's home on it's back.
I would have loved to have been able to lie flat out in the garden and use my house as a background to appease the literal voters, but the weather wasn't playing ball. |
With the added explaination, that's definitly a creative, abstract interpretation of the challenge - it makes it personal to you. Unfortunately, it didn't quite come across that way. Maybe I was too dense or didn't think enough on it, since you did try to make a personal connection in the title, but I never got past "it's the snail's house". Sorry.
Henmi, your interpretation was great, and it seemed to do pretty well. Didn't look like anyone picked on it at all. I think it was a great interpretation of the challenge (even if you couldn't get the real house), and only some minor technical issues maybe kept it from doing even better.
Don't be so sensitive everyone!
Message edited by author 2003-06-04 13:55:24. |
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06/04/2003 01:53:58 PM · #22 |
I agree London is "home" but is the home on the snail YOUR home? I give low scores for bad pictures and I give low scores for pictures that don't meet the challenge. I think everyone on here is ridiculously tough on pictures, btw, myself included. When the "best" shots get a 7.2, that's silly. For all the crap some people get, they have VERY high votes given - I'd just like to say that I think we're almost ALL good photogs and giving anyone a 2 or 3 is hard. My point is I give 1s for not meeting the challenge and almost nothing else. Why have a challenge if you're going to be SO creative you don't read the description?
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06/04/2003 02:03:59 PM · #23 |
FWIW, I would probably usually be bunched in with the "literalist" crowd (though I hate labels and pidgeon-holing), since I usually require a connection to the challenge AND it's description. But the title and description very much left some room for a broader definition of "home", and I think the winners this week fit it well enough. Ninerfan's pic was the biggest stretch for me, until I read his explaination, but it was still within the bounds.
I personally had the most problem with animal homes and non-habitable dwellings in this challenge. "Your home" was the key to me - aside from proving that it was your own place, which you can't in this context, I had to at least get a sense that it COULD be the "home" (by whatever definition - house, yard, town, etc.) of the photographer. |
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06/04/2003 02:09:45 PM · #24 |
I didn't vote on Home Sweet Home but was rather surprised to see the very loose interpretations on this challenge. I read this challenge as meaning YOUR home as well, not a snail's home or a home base, etc, etc. I tend to take off 2 points for not meeting the challenge unless it's really totally off the wall. Having seen the Liquid challenge, which imho does not leave room for much interpretation (it's either liquid or it is not), i was aware of at least one image that had nothing to do with Liquid in its current state (sure, if you put a high enough temp on any object it might turn liquid).
Does a spider meet Home Sweet Home? I don't believe so. Sure, we all have the occasional spider in our homes but a spider does not immediately jump to mind when considering HSH :) When you say 'I'm anxious to get back home again', you don't typically mean that you are anxious to see the spider again that might be crawling near the sink.
And i agree with Scott K's interpretation that the image had to convey a SENSE of YOUR home, even though the image might really depict someone else's place in your neighborhood.
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06/04/2003 02:10:21 PM · #25 |
When I go "away," and someone says, "where do you live?" I interpret that to mean, "Where do you call home?" I guess, according to several posters in this thread, I should start saying, "I live in a two story, ranch type dwelling with a front and back deck, clay colored aluminum siding, and a two car garage." instead of "Canton, NC, which is in the mountains, near TN."
oh well.
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