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09/03/2005 09:28:58 PM · #1
Hello,

Kenskid is safe in San Antonio after evac from New Orleans.

I took a few shots of the Milky Way for the first time in my life. While traveling from N.O. I found a few dark spots and took shots. They are 30 sec exposures. On the top left of each I am getting 2 red spots.
These appeared on shots taken from several locations so they are not from "outside light". They only seem to appear on the 30 sec exposure and not on exposures of lesser time.

Does anyone know what this is? Here is a shot. I don't have photoshop here so it is very grainy. Let me know if you know what the red is.

Thanks,

09/03/2005 09:34:54 PM · #2
They are most likely caused by sensor heating. The longer the exposure and the more you "poush" the exposure in post processing, the worse it will get.
Each camera model has its own particular pattern of "hot spots." They can be dealt with pretty effectively by subtracting a dark frame. The D70 should be able to do this in-camera, I think. I know that my 10D cannot.
You still can get some very good images of the Milky Way with patience. I'll post one from last night to my portfolio shortly...

Edit:
Here are two Milky Way shots, the first taken last night (details on the image) and the second taken a few weeks ago: The last image is an example of a "dark frame". This is just a photo taken with the lens cap on, using the same exposure time and ISO as the photo(s) that it will be subtracted from. This example has had brightness boosted dramatically with curves to show the "hot spots".



Edit: Larger version of the first shot here. Click on the photo to bring up the larger size.

Message edited by author 2005-09-03 21:57:15.
09/03/2005 10:59:02 PM · #3
Hello,

Thanks for you help. How do you get rid of the red in your shots? I don't quite understand how you do it. I have a D70 and photoshop.

Thanks,

Kenny
09/03/2005 11:11:28 PM · #4
The short answer that will take you longer: Google "dark frame subtraction," you'll have ample reading material... I believe the D70 also has dark frame subtraction built in, you'd have to look it up in the manual.

The procedure for doing it manually, in a nutshell:

1.) Shoot your long exposure shot. Use manual settings so they don't change in step 2. this includes white balance.
2.) Put on lens cap, shoot again. This is your dark frame.
3.) Open the shot and the dark frame in PS
4.) Copy the dark frame into the same PS document as the photo, as another layer (above the photo). Change the blend mode to "difference."
5.) Zoom in too 100% (or 200%) and adjust curves, moving the white point control point either left along the top or down the right side until the effect is correct.

Note that step 5 is typically necessary, even though it really should not be. Most times, I find that I need to adjust. TTo judge when it's right, look at the "grain" in the dark areas. As you increase the "exposure" of the dark frame, you'll see that darker spots appear, and vice versa as you decrease exposure (remember you're subtracting). When the luminosity of the "hot pixels" matches the background luminosity, it's right.
Technically, what you want to do is minimize the entropy in the shot, as judged by its compressibility, which will be maximized when entropy is minimized. Since you can't watch the compressibility change, you're stuck doing it visually.
There are specialist software packages out there for this, but they are not a simple learning curve. The PS technique works OK, if it is not avilable in camera.
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Message edited by author 2005-09-03 23:11:55.
09/03/2005 11:32:34 PM · #5
Thank you....I think I can handle the fix!

KS
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