Peleng 8mm FishEye on a 20D - DPChallenge Forums

09/01/2005 11:45:44 AM · #1

I am considering buying this lens. I have the Zenitar 16mm FE but find it does not give me enough of the fish effect I'm seeking. I know the Peleng will, but I still have a question:

What does it give me "uncropped" on a 20D (or other 1.6x Canon dSLR)? Please post (or link to) an example if you have one.

Also, what will it yield on a FF film SLR?

Thanks in advance.

Sigma 105mm f/2.8 EX DG Macro for Canon

09/01/2005 11:57:00 AM · #2

As far as FoV, it will give you about 160Â° horizontally, and I think about 110Â° vertically. There will be dark corners (you see the edge of the image circle) but you can get rid of them by doing a "partial defish" with PanoTools.
On a 35mm film cam or FF DSLR, it will image a complete circle, with 183Â° coverage in all directions. There will be a "blue edge" caused by abberation at the extreme of the FoV, if you crop this off you're still left with essentially 180Â° coverage. You can shoot a sky shot with trees on the horizon showing in all directions!

Edit to add:
In my experience, the Peleng is a great value. On center, it produces an image that far outresolves the sensor on my 10D. At the edges there is some CA and a little coma, but not bad for something this WA. Another side benefit of the M42 mount is that you can unscrwe it a bit (a turn or two is enough) from the mount and use this as a very short "extension tube" which allows it to focus right up to the front element. Way cool. Love my Peleng.

Message edited by author 2005-09-01 11:59:41.

longlivenyhc

Canon EOS-300D Rebel

09/01/2005 12:01:41 PM · #3

i love mine too!

petrakka

09/01/2005 12:12:26 PM · #4

its the only way to get a true fish effect on your canon, that and the sigma 8mm. both can suffer pretty badly from lens flare. with the peleng you risk getting a sharp or soft copy...hit or miss. for what is costs though well worth it.

that right there was a big reason i bought nikon haha, just cuz they have a fish...when will canon figure out to make one?

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

09/01/2005 12:38:57 PM · #5

Originally posted by petrakka:

that right there was a big reason i bought nikon haha, just cuz they have a fish...when will canon figure out to make one?

Well, they do make the 15mm fish, which is quite "fishy" on a *Full Frame* DSLR. When will Nikon figure out to make one? ;-)

kyebosh

Canon EOS-20D

Canon EF 80-200mm f/2.8L

09/01/2005 12:40:08 PM · #6

Originally posted by kirbic:

Originally posted by petrakka:
that right there was a big reason i bought nikon haha, just cuz they have a fish...when will canon figure out to make one?

Well, they do make the 15mm fish, which is quite "fishy" on a *Full Frame* DSLR. When will Nikon figure out to make one? ;-)

LOLOLOLOL!!! XD! They also make a 14mm fish ;-)

Nuno

Nikon D700

09/01/2005 01:50:15 PM · #7

Do the sigma 8mm be good in 1.5x crop? I've heard that some effect of the fisheye is lost by the crop... And about the corners?

petrakka

09/01/2005 01:54:12 PM · #8

Originally posted by kirbic:

yea me affordin a full frame was far far off. i prefer the 1.5 though...i think it helps in most situations, and since i still have my wide angle just fine im set.

also..the 14 mm is not a fisheye its rectilinear

kyebosh

Canon EOS-20D

Canon EF 80-200mm f/2.8L

09/01/2005 03:26:39 PM · #9

oops :-X
yep 114Â° on FF...

terje

Apple iPhone

09/01/2005 03:33:50 PM · #10

sigma 8mm on 300D

09/01/2005 03:38:16 PM · #11

Originally posted by terje:

sigma 8mm on 300D

Looks liek the Sigma is actually a bit shorter in focal length than the Peleng, or it's frame is cropped a bit more... the Peleng's image circle extends a bit off-frame on the left & right, and so th dark corners are a little smaller.

Canon EF-S 17-85mm f/4-5.6 IS USM

09/02/2005 05:14:43 PM · #12

Originally posted by kirbic:

Originally posted by terje:
sigma 8mm on 300D

Looks liek the Sigma is actually a bit shorter in focal length than the Peleng, or it's frame is cropped a bit more... the Peleng's image circle extends a bit off-frame on the left & right, and so th dark corners are a little smaller.

Thanks for the info guys. Sorry it took a while to respond. I've away from a computer for a few days. Crazy at work!

Fritz, do you have (or could post) an uncropped image using the Peleng? I understand your explanation, but would still rather see it of my own eyes. Thanks.

Terje, great image! That's the kind of stuff I'm looking do use it for. Great effect.

scuds

Canon EOS-30D

09/02/2005 05:30:04 PM · #13

Originally posted by terje:

sigma 8mm on 300D

Found nicoblue at this site as well LoL

for an instant, I thoug I found another "stollen image" LoL

but it's nico_blue himself

justin_hewlett

Canon EOS-1000D Rebel XS

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS

09/02/2005 05:57:25 PM · #14

Originally posted by kirbic:

As far as FoV, it will give you about 160Â° horizontally, and I think about 110Â° vertically.

...On a 35mm film cam or FF DSLR, it will image a complete circle, with 183Â° coverage in all directions. There will be a "blue edge" caused by abberation at the extreme of the FoV, if you crop this off you're still left with essentially 180Â° coverage. You can shoot a sky shot with trees on the horizon showing in all directions! ...

So FF Dslr sensors and 35mm film cameras show more field of view...Does that mean that in order to get wide-angle shots on a film camera you wouldn't need quite so short of a focal length? I'm going to be taking a film photography class (b/w) next semester, and I was considering buying a camera that came with a 28-90mm kit lens. Is 28mm wide enough to get a decent landscape? I want to fit as much in the frame as I can without distortion.

Also, with my current p&s camera, what is the approximate focal length equivalent when zoomed out all the way? What would the field of view be?

I don't mean to hijack the thread but I've been wondering about this for quite some time now.

Thanks in advance to any and all who can enlighten me on this subject.

Message edited by author 2005-09-02 18:05:47.

09/02/2005 06:17:32 PM · #15

Originally posted by justin_hewlett:

It is true. On a film cam, a 20mm lens is very wide, equates to about a 12mm lens on a 10D, 20D, etc. (APS-C or 1.6-crop cams).
28mm is reasonably wide but for landscape on a film cam, 24mm would be a better bet. The best thing to do is to go into a store that carries the equipment and look at th edifference between 28mm and 24mm. They should hopefully have a 24-something zoom around, or maybe a 24mm prime.

Originally posted by justin_hewlett:

Also, with my current p&s camera, what is the approximate focal length equivalent when zoomed out all the way? What would the field of view be?

It should give the equivalent focal lengths in you owners manual, or go to DPReview.com and look up your cam, it will give you the equivalent focal lengths.
You can check the manufacturer's website or retailers' sites for field of view for varrious lenses. Just be careful, sometimes they are spec'd for diagonal field of view, which is not really too useful in a practical sense :-P

Olympus OM-D E-M1 Mark II

09/02/2005 06:19:44 PM · #16

Originally posted by mariomel:

Fritz, do you have (or could post) an uncropped image using the Peleng? I understand your explanation, but would still rather see it of my own eyes. Thanks.

I'll have to post something, everything I have online is post-processed. I'll try to do that in the next day or so, if I forget, PM me, LOL.

Chiqui

Olympus 12-40mm f/2.8 Pro

09/02/2005 06:34:43 PM · #17

ok, the Peleng lens on a 300D

(uncropped) //www.pbase.com/chiqui74/image/44166618

//www.pbase.com/chiqui74/image/44305696

(uncropped but I cloned the corners) //www.pbase.com/chiqui74/image/44306505

//www.pbase.com/chiqui74/image/44428378

I have more if you are intersted.

June

Message edited by author 2005-09-02 18:37:07.

art-inept

Olympus C-5060WZ

Canon EF 35mm f/2.0

09/02/2005 07:11:59 PM · #18

sorry this is a little off topic, but where would you buy this peleng 8mm?

kyebosh

Canon EOS-20D

Canon EF 80-200mm f/2.8L

09/02/2005 07:18:13 PM · #19

//www.kievcamera.com or on ebay

09/02/2005 07:54:38 PM · #20

Originally posted by kyebosh:

//www.kievcamera.com or on ebay

I bought my Zenitar 16mm FE from KievCamera through an Ebay auction. Very easy transaction.

I would recommend you buy through their Ebay sales since they tend to sell the lenses cheaper that way compared to buying through their store website. Here's one: //cgi.ebay.ca/PELENG-MC-LENS-FISHEYE-8mm-lens-Nikon-Canon-EOS_W0QQitemZ7542201344QQcategoryZ3343QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

They always have them available through Ebay.