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08/31/2005 12:09:13 PM · #1 |
For the 23 people who gave me a 1, the 26 people who gave me a 2 and the 37 people who gave me a 3 for this picture, I would say, you do not have a clue as to what a great shot this was. Are the other 239 who gave me a 5 or above stupid?
If you didn't care for the pun then that's fine but I would still bet that not more then 1 or 2 of you ever took any night photography. Considering this was taken about 10 minutes after sunset and moon rise, I don't think anyone out there could have gotten a shot with the moon intersecting a fixed object let alone a building over 5 miles away much sharper.
As far as editing, I am learning Photoshop elements and just getting the skills to improve my images. To think that this shot looks that good and all I did was add a little unsharpened mask and levels, you have to give me some credit.
I guess being on this site opens me up to comments from idiots as well as classy intelligent photographers. Hey I can take it, as witnessed from some of the comments I got for my Nude III entry, (I came in 117 out of 117, I deserved that one.) I laughed so much at some of them which were very true. Oh well I loved it and not one person came close to the originality I showed here. It is called out of the box thinking expect many more images from my eclectic mind and I̢۪ll suffer idiots gladly to enjoy my imagination and shoot the photography that makes me happy. I will also enjoy the skilled and talented fellow artists who comment on my photography as well.
As far as technically helpful comments, I love them and thank those who took the time to teach a good photographer to be an even better photographer.
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08/31/2005 12:13:40 PM · #2 |
| "Methinks thou doth protest too much." ...Shakespeare |
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08/31/2005 12:17:00 PM · #3 |
Don't take comments that personal mate. Its not that way. For the most part, they can be constructive, for others, they can feel very personal, but they are only reflection of how people feel about the picture and not about you personally (they have no way of knowing who's shot it is in the first place).
But to be honest, it doesn't deserve more then a 5 to my eye. I gave you a 4 for the following reasons:
The picture is or feels out of focus, sky is unevent and the composition is akward, the picture is too grainy and we see no details on the moon, which is clearly the main subject of the picture. Technically interesting (cut with the building) but to me, does not reflect the Challenge's theme. Good joke, but not Dairy.
Overall, it was a nice idea, but being a joke, you have to accept the fact that it wouldn't fair very well on dpc.com. The challenge is about the technicallity of the shot(80%) and the respect of the theme (20%) (those numbers are my average).
It is understandable that you put a lot of work into it, but look at the 'failure' of this challenge as a way to improve on the things that were not so good, and try a reshoot, or perfect your photoshop skills, which will most likely make your overall scores higher in the future.
Don't give up man, you owe it to yourself to continue, photography is great, and its an art.
Message edited by author 2005-08-31 12:17:34. |
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08/31/2005 12:21:37 PM · #4 |
MPRPRO,
While I didn't vote on your entry in particular, I can understand why a lot of people rated it low.
From a technical standpoint, there is no clear focal point, or at least no object in clear focus.
You're never going to get a really sharp photo of the moon without a telesocpe. None of the buildings are in focus either. In fact, my eye wants to be drawn to the central feature, the building cutting through the moon, but I keep shifting around looking for something in focus. So I'd say this is a 5 to 7 photo, at best, technically. If it's NOT POSSIBLE to take a sharper photo, then perhaps you shouldn't have submitted this as your entry. It's a good idea, it just didn't get executed.
From a challenge/artistic standpoint, I'm conflicted. I'd probably give you average scores in that area as well. However, you've got to remember that when you take a photo "outside the box" you're taking a risk that people won't be willing to take the leap with you. Is this photo within the "strict" intrepretation of the challenge? No. Is it a clever pun? Yes. The people who are strict don't care how clever it is. |
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08/31/2005 12:22:57 PM · #5 |
Now if you had taken that image from an angle at 60th Street (instead of of 55th/56th) the chunk missing from the moon would have looked much more authentic.
So this doesn't really meet the Challenge.
....Juuuuuust kidding.
Nice shot.
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08/31/2005 12:34:56 PM · #6 |
| It was a nice shot....but obviously I guess to some people it didn't meet the 'Dairy' challenge despite of your title. Everyone has their own opinions and I'm sure most people on here have had photos carved up before during voting. I myself gave you a 3! My reasoning being thus....I always start a vote at 5, the mid way mark! I took off 1 for the lack of focus in the photo, plus another because to ME, in my eyes, it didn't meet the challenge! I'm sorry if that has offended you and I'm sure people here will complain about my way of voting. I can't speak for the other people who voted the same or lower. |
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08/31/2005 12:36:35 PM · #7 |
| Take the scoring and comments with a grain of salt..There will always be those who 'don't get it',and those who think they could have set it up so much better...The fact remains that you like it,and it was your idea to begin with...Just glean the comments that truly help and ignore the rest.. |
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08/31/2005 12:42:33 PM · #8 |
You got a 4.88.......1 fav.......and 47 comments.......what exactly are you bitching about?
A 4.88 is a rather good score around here.
I would kill to get a fav and 46 comments on my image.
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08/31/2005 02:19:47 PM · #9 |
First of all, I will say that I didn't vote on this challenge, so I am not one of the "idiots" (as you call them) that voted this low. Secondly, I find your post very arrogant and narrow-minded. To say to people "you do not have a clue as to what a great shot this was" and "I don't think anyone out there could have gotten a shot with the moon intersecting a fixed object let alone a building over 5 miles away much sharper" is insulting to many talented photographers here. It's very presumptuous and rude in my opinion.
All that being said, I find your shot to be a very cool capture, what this photo is relying heavily on. Technically it could use some work as others mentioned with the focus, noise, and composition. Maybe crop some off the top to bring it to a 1:1.25 aspect ratio, and that will bring the moon into the upper third of the photo. Maybe a low-level noise reduction sampled from the sky and then some more usm after that to make it a bit sharper overall.
Thinking outside the box is great, take a look at Scalvert's and Graphicfunk's portfolios for some excellent examples. But, they carry a tremendous amount of technical merit into their photos as well. I think your photo would have scored better if it were better technically.
Just my 2 bits, best of luck in future entries.
Message edited by author 2005-08-31 14:21:19. |
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08/31/2005 02:35:39 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by MPRPRO:
I would still bet that not more then 1 or 2 of you ever took any night photography. |
Late Night Challenge - 324 entries
Night Shot II Challenge - 182 entries
Night on the Town - 130 Entries
Night Shot - 56 entries
Total - 692 entries in challenges with night in the title. So I think mebe you are wrong in your estimate.
Originally posted by MPRPRO:
I guess being on this site opens me up to comments from idiots as well as classy intelligent photographers. |
Oh, I think we can all agree on this one. ;)
M
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08/31/2005 02:36:59 PM · #11 |
I noticed the first place pic got a 1, 2, 3, 4, etc. from some people. So if you look at it that way you scored the same as the first place pic except they got more in the higher slots.
:-P
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08/31/2005 02:43:56 PM · #12 |
Conceptually the image is first-rate. In execution it's distinctly average. Regardless of how difficult the shot is to make, in the end you will be judged on how well-made it is. To throw scatter-shot statements saying that "we" are idiots and that only one or two of us ever did night photography is ridiculous. There are a BUNCH of people in DPC who are exceptionally skilled at night photography.
Throw into the equation that a piece of thinking this far outside the box is not going to be universally well-received, and you have a solid framework for a high 4's-low 5's score. As a matter of indisputable fact, on thsi site if you want to go outside the box you pretty much have to be technically stunning to pull it off. That's just the way it is.
Robt.
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08/31/2005 02:44:31 PM · #13 |
well i didnt vote on this photo. I'm no history buff, but i never heard of the moon being called cheese or made of cheese? so if i wouldve looked at your photo that was entered for the "dairy" challenge, than i would have to think that you were the one that didnt know what you were doing. maybe those people who scored you higher knew what you were talking about. you have to remember, the majority of the people on here were probably not born before 69 to know what you were referring to, just like folks from other countries have a hard time with the meaning of certain things. from my experience i try to enter something that everyone can relate to, so this doesnt happen :)
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08/31/2005 02:44:44 PM · #14 |
Sorry to say it, I agree with most here, your shot is technically average. However, as an image I do like and I gave you a 5, although I thougt it had only a very tenuous conection to the challenge.
In my opinion, if an image has to rely too heavily on its title then its usually an indication that the image is not strictly fitting in with the challenge.
I don't like the term 'out of the box' personally, its sounds like management speak to me and people here sometimes keep on about it just to justify an image that didn't work - your shot was okay, but you starting a thread complaining because your 'thinking outside the box' didn't go down well is quite arrogant IMO.
//www.dpchallenge.com/profile.php?USER_ID=17203 is concidered to be a photographer who 'thinks outside of the box' but even then his images fit in with each challenge he enters.
Message edited by author 2005-08-31 14:50:57. |
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08/31/2005 02:58:14 PM · #15 |
I was going to comment on all the replies here till now, however, in the words of a guy who knew "A man has just got to know his limitations" and that wasn't dirty Harry.
But thanks to all good and bad you know who you are.
Mike |
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08/31/2005 03:02:58 PM · #16 |
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08/31/2005 03:08:21 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by mk:
I know I'm bad. :( |
What? |
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08/31/2005 03:11:59 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by MPRPRO:
Originally posted by mk:
I know I'm bad. :( |
What? |
Originally posted by MPRPRO:
But thanks to all good and bad you know who you are.
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08/31/2005 04:14:27 PM · #19 |
Chit????????????????????????????????
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08/31/2005 06:58:25 PM · #20 |
"How to Win Friends and Influence People"
by Dale Carnegie
ISBN: 0671723650
He advises that using the term 'idot' is not condusive to a friendly environment. :)
*whistles nonchalantly*
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09/01/2005 12:53:37 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by colyla:
"How to Win Friends and Influence People"
by Dale Carnegie
ISBN: 0671723650
He advises that using the term 'idot' is not condusive to a friendly environment. :)
*whistles nonchalantly* |
Lmao, that's too funny!!! I love the whistling part!  |
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09/01/2005 01:07:43 AM · #22 |
Originally posted by MPRPRO:
Considering this was taken about 10 minutes after sunset and moon rise, I don't think anyone out there could have gotten a shot with the moon intersecting a fixed object let alone a building over 5 miles away much sharper. |
Wanna bet? |
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09/01/2005 01:09:13 AM · #23 |
just a picture people
just a picture
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09/01/2005 01:14:45 AM · #24 |
Now maybe if there had of been a cow jumping over the moon.......
Ok sorry! |
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09/01/2005 01:19:55 AM · #25 |
Got the joke. Thought the photo was fuzzy...gave it a 5. I love NYC.
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