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08/31/2005 09:30:42 AM · #1 |
| Next time I see the 250th entree for a challenge I will automatically withdraw. That will be my contribution to the overpopulation problem as we primarily experience in the open challenges. We can argue until the cows come home, these large numbers do little or nothing positive to anybody, too many excellent pics just disappear in the woodworks. |
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08/31/2005 09:33:32 AM · #2 |
Originally posted by gibun:
Next time I see the 250th entree for a challenge I will automatically withdraw. That will be my contribution to the overpopulation problem as we primarily experience in the open challenges. We can argue until the cows come home, these large numbers do little or nothing positive to anybody, too many excellent pics just disappear in the woodworks. |
I feel the same. |
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08/31/2005 10:13:20 AM · #3 |
I share your concern. Indeed that over 250 photos to vote upon can be hinderous. However, I would like those who choose not to enter into a challenge because of over-population issues. Continue to be encouraged to still take on the challenge for your own sake of learning and trying new things. There has been many times where I personally had not entered do to time constrains and other obligations in my life, I took the idea from a challenge and shot photos on my own. I have greatly improved. Perhaps never won a virtual ribbon, but have improved none-the-less.
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08/31/2005 10:21:23 AM · #4 |
Having the two of you sitting on the sidelines will surely give heart to the newbies for whom the Open challenges are primarily intended. But you may be excluding yourself from an interesting topic here and there along the way; or perhaps from one to which your own particular set of photo skills would play well.
Personally I feel it much more of an acheivement to do well in a large open competition than a smaller, limited-entry one. Sort of like saying that the cream rises to the top of a gallon jug just as it does in a quart bottle.
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08/31/2005 10:31:16 AM · #5 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
Having the two of you sitting on the sidelines will surely give heart to the newbies for whom the Open challenges are primarily intended. |
When did this happen? I'm not aware that open challenges are "primarily intended" for "newbies". I thought they were intended for everyone. If this concept is taking hold, then let's just start a new range of challenges limited to those who are not paid members. 3 challenges a week, 1 for paid members, one for registered members, and one for everybody.
R.
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08/31/2005 10:33:01 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by gibun:
Next time I see the 250th entree for a challenge I will automatically withdraw. That will be my contribution to the overpopulation problem as we primarily experience in the open challenges. We can argue until the cows come home, these large numbers do little or nothing positive to anybody, too many excellent pics just disappear in the woodworks. |
Me too. When I woke up Tuesday morning and still hadn't shot anything for shoes and saw the submission count rising quickly, I bagged it. If a challenge inspires me the first day or two, I will enter. If I have nothing within 24 hours of the submission deadline, why bother to throw just anything in there? And then complain? ;)
I had a few I could have submitted but didn't see the point. I learned something by trying and would have just been frustrated with the sub 5 score.
I didn't know that Open Challenges were intended for newbies. I always looked at them as more challenging than advanced. You have to get exactly what you want in camera, paying attention to EVERY detail (which can be fixed in advanced). I guess others really don't look at it that way.
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08/31/2005 10:33:10 AM · #7 |
DPC could just set the max limit of 250 pictures per challenge e basta!
First come first served. |
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08/31/2005 10:34:30 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by Didymus:
DPC could just set the max limit of 250 pictures per challenge e basta!
First come first served. |
I don't think that would do much to improve the quality of the challenges. People already submit last minute stuff that they don't like, I can't imagine what they would submit if they had to rush and be in first. |
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08/31/2005 10:52:31 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by mk:
Originally posted by Didymus:
DPC could just set the max limit of 250 pictures per challenge e basta!
First come first served. |
I don't think that would do much to improve the quality of the challenges. People already submit last minute stuff that they don't like, I can't imagine what they would submit if they had to rush and be in first. |
AMEN! Myself included!
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08/31/2005 11:04:46 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by dustin03:
I share your concern. Indeed that over 250 photos to vote upon can be hinderous. However, I would like those who choose not to enter into a challenge because of over-population issues. Continue to be encouraged to still take on the challenge for your own sake of learning and trying new things. There has been many times where I personally had not entered do to time constrains and other obligations in my life, I took the idea from a challenge and shot photos on my own. I have greatly improved. Perhaps never won a virtual ribbon, but have improved none-the-less. |
i think you're absolutely correct! a great way to improve!
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08/31/2005 11:06:08 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by bear_music:
... When did this happen? I'm not aware that open challenges are "primarily intended" for "newbies". I thought they were intended for everyone. ... |
It happened long before you brought your "playground for artists" concept to the site.
But let me correct myself to substitute Basic rules challenges for Open challenges. There are a few occasions when we get away from the usual formula of Open challenges using Basic rules, and Member challenges using Advanced rules. So make that Open challenges are open to everyone but Basic rules challenges are intended primarily for newbies. Hope everyone can understand this now.
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08/31/2005 11:12:56 AM · #12 |
250 isn't a lot, I do not see the problem.
Not even with 500.
And what MK said, ditto.
Message edited by author 2005-08-31 11:17:15.
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08/31/2005 11:16:06 AM · #13 |
what?
Originally posted by coolhar:
It happened long before you brought your "playground for artists" concept to the site. |
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08/31/2005 11:16:36 AM · #14 |
| 61 people joined the site yesterday - not all of them will submit shots but it is an obvious truth that the challenges are going to get more crowded. The site will have to grow and develop to encompass the new members and keep it as the great obsession it is for many of us. I feel sorry that anyone should think that they no longer wish to be part of this process and wish you would continue to allow me and others to gaze in wonder at the work some of the elder statesmen are capable of producing. |
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08/31/2005 11:18:17 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by Azrifel:
250 isn't a lot, I do not see the problem.
Not even with 500.
And what MK said, ditto. |
I think 250 is a lot when you have to vote on 20 percent of them for your votes to count. How many people will look and that and think "I can't be bothered". |
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08/31/2005 11:20:53 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by troberge:
I think 250 is a lot when you have to vote on 20 percent of them for your votes to count. How many people will look and that and think "I can't be bothered". |
The entries in the dairy challenge got between 375-425 votes a piece. That seems like pretty good turnout. |
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08/31/2005 11:24:38 AM · #17 |
One of the first challenges I participated in, the B&W challenge had 636 entries. Since I was a newbie somehow it didn't seem that much and I did get a good score so I didn't care after that either :P But now... damn that was a lot!
Yeah I don't know what point I'm making, maybe I'm telling you a newbie's point of view towards bigger challenges. :/
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08/31/2005 11:29:13 AM · #18 |
Originally posted by troberge:
Originally posted by Azrifel:
250 isn't a lot, I do not see the problem.
Not even with 500.
And what MK said, ditto. |
I think 250 is a lot when you have to vote on 20 percent of them for your votes to count. How many people will look and that and think "I can't be bothered". |
I always vote 100% on almost every challenge. 20% shouldn't be that hard. 20% of 500 is only 100.
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08/31/2005 11:29:20 AM · #19 |
Originally posted by troberge:
Originally posted by Azrifel:
250 isn't a lot, I do not see the problem.
Not even with 500.
And what MK said, ditto. |
I think 250 is a lot when you have to vote on 20 percent of them for your votes to count. How many people will look and that and think "I can't be bothered". |
There are ways and means of solving this sort of problem.
a)Require a minimum 20% or 50 (fit whatever number you like here) pics whichever is the lower is one that comes to mind quickly.
b)Divide the competition into areas on the basis of:-
previous best scores
length of stay at DPC
number of challenges entered
newby / developer / talented / wow
etc.
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08/31/2005 11:32:05 AM · #20 |
From "Dahkota"
"I didn't know that Open Challenges were intended for newbies. I always looked at them as more challenging than advanced. You have to get exactly what you want in camera, paying attention to EVERY detail (which can be fixed in advanced). I guess others really don't look at it that way."
And I thought I was the only one who thought the open challenges were more challenging : } ...or should I say "basic editing"? I actually seem to enter more open challenges even though I'm a "paying" member...how about some "member" challenges with "basic editing" rules?
Anyway, the amount of entries has never really bothered me...just more stuff to vote on, and I enjoy voting...then again, I have a really speedy broadband connection, so that helps. : }
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08/31/2005 02:44:01 PM · #21 |
I enjoy voting and commenting too (as some of you have called me the Comment Queen) but only when the challenge has a more broad based idea. I got totally tired of milk and splashes with Dairy (heh, I had a glass of milk in mine too [with a twist])and the 300+ entries of just a pair of shoes.
As someone mentioned earlier, if we had to categorize challenges by time here, high scores, etc, it would discourage people like me who haven't really driven up that high in the ranks yet to stick my neck out and go for it. Plus some challenges would be nothing but superlatives and others would be so ho hum that nobody would want to bother. I do think that possibly there could be some reorganization though, and I'm not sure how to make it work well for everybody concerned. |
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08/31/2005 03:01:35 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by rktdesign:
From "Dahkota"
"I didn't know that Open Challenges were intended for newbies. I always looked at them as more challenging than advanced. You have to get exactly what you want in camera, paying attention to EVERY detail (which can be fixed in advanced). I guess others really don't look at it that way."
And I thought I was the only one who thought the open challenges were more challenging : } ...or should I say "basic editing"? I actually seem to enter more open challenges even though I'm a "paying" member...how about some "member" challenges with "basic editing" rules?
Anyway, the amount of entries has never really bothered me...just more stuff to vote on, and I enjoy voting...then again, I have a really speedy broadband connection, so that helps. : } |
I've frequently taken that position; as far as I'm concerned the basic challenges are much more challenging.
R.
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08/31/2005 03:39:04 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by mk:
Originally posted by Didymus:
DPC could just set the max limit of 250 pictures per challenge e basta!
First come first served. |
I don't think that would do much to improve the quality of the challenges. People already submit last minute stuff that they don't like, I can't imagine what they would submit if they had to rush and be in first. |
No, it probably wouldn't improve the quality of submitted photos at all. How could it possibly do that? What it would do, though, is make the scene less crowded and leave more space and time for all entries. Perhaps even 250 is too much. It's really difficult (at least for me) to pay attention to 250 photos in a short period of time. I just don't have the attention span, unless I spot some super premium artwork.
Maybe there should be a two-tiered voting system? E.g. after the deadline there would be three days when only members can vote and thereafter 50 highest graded photos will be submitted to open voting for 4 days.
Or maybe not. Maybe it's a dumb idea. :-) |
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08/31/2005 08:40:18 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by Jutilda:
As someone mentioned earlier, if we had to categorize challenges by time here, high scores, etc, it would discourage people like me who haven't really driven up that high in the ranks yet to stick my neck out and go for it. Plus some challenges would be nothing but superlatives and others would be so ho hum that nobody would want to bother. I do think that possibly there could be some reorganization though, and I'm not sure how to make it work well for everybody concerned. |
Sorry if I upset, this was not a suggestion; more a discussion point to try and keep the community together. I most definitely would do nothing to upset Jutilda, the one person who has commented on my pics regularly and made my day several times over. Thanks Judy.
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08/31/2005 08:46:25 PM · #25 |
5000 entries, now that would be a cool challenge to enter!
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