Canon EOS-5D (was: New Canon Body Release?)

Canon EF 100mm f/2.8 USM Macro

08/11/2005 12:58:43 PM · #76

Originally posted by theSaj:

Rebel XT
5D
1Ds Mark II with a new pro unit coming out above. The 5D is a hybrid of the 20D/1D. In that it does not have the built in grip. Nor does it have the consumer pop-up flash. Thus it would build a fairly established placement.

Prosumer = pop-up flash
Semi-pro = no pop-up flash
Pro = no pop-up flash + built in grip extension

I'm not sure it can possibly be that simple. For a start, they can't phase out the 20D so easily, as the 5D is not an adequate replacement on many fronts. Not everyone wants a full-frame sensor, and canon knows this - there is no way they'd force wildlife and sports shooters to use the plastic rebel to get the most out of their long lenses, and that's not to mention the 3fps. For a full-frame sensor it makes sense, yes... but that does not work as a replacement for the 20D. So either this is a hoax or different sources of real information getting crossed over somehow, or this can't be all that canon is planning.

Spork99

OM System OM-1

08/11/2005 01:00:25 PM · #77

Why not a EOS 3D if this camera is indeed a digital equivalent to the
EOS 3 film camera?

08/11/2005 01:20:30 PM · #78

A few more things i've spotted that don't add up from the spec sheet:
It has both partial AND spot metering, seems rather odd, more evidence for the copy-and-paste hypothesis...
It's fastest shutter speed is 1/8000, just like the 20D, but fastest x-sync is 1/200 like the rebel... the 20D has 1/250, like the 1Ds.
It allows folder management, which the 20D doesn't, and yet for erase modes offers only erase single or erase all - no erase folder.

However i might just end up eating my words if this beast comes out... but it really will be a strange beast if it fills those specs.

08/11/2005 01:25:32 PM · #79

Originally posted by riot:

My 1D has both partial AND spot...

08/11/2005 01:45:34 PM · #80

Look, we don't know for sure...but if you do your homework like some of the guys on the fredmiranda thread you will find some very very very very convincing evidence that this is the real thing.

I can't find any reason that this isn't plausible. It is the studio/landscape cousin of the 20d just like the 1dsmk2 is the cousin of the 1dmk2.

08/11/2005 01:50:39 PM · #81

Originally posted by thatcloudthere:

I agree, and I'm looking forward to another great camera that i'm gonna have to wait forever to buy :-)

theSaj

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM

08/11/2005 02:50:29 PM · #82

5D is a numerical-alpha combination that would have to change somewhat in order for it not to be infringing on another brand's name

Not a real issue. I believe I read that Minolta's trademark is on the Minolta...blah...blah...5D.

Likewise, it is very unlikely that Canon will receive a trademark on "5D". But would receive such for "Canon 5D"

There are already cameras with the same designations.

Originally posted by "riot":

there is no way they'd force wildlife and sports shooters to use the plastic rebel to get the most out of their long lenses, and that's not to mention the 3fps. For a full-frame sensor it makes sense, yes... but that does not work as a replacement for the 20D"

Unless of course it has the ability to self crop for "higher FPS" which would also satisfy the nature photographer's as well. ;)

"It has both partial AND spot metering"
One of the biggest complaints I hear about 20D functionality is lack of spot metering. The spot has been a 1D "pro" feature.

08/11/2005 02:58:17 PM · #83

People.

A crop factor isn't helping you 'get more out of your lenses'. At full frame without the crop factor, you can crop it yourself and get the same resolution.

And this camera wouldn't be a replacement for the 20d.

08/11/2005 03:06:27 PM · #84

Originally posted by thatcloudthere:

He wants it for an increase in framerate though, not detail. Also can you shoot in RAW in a crop mode... like on the D2X? or only in the 1.5x mode there?

08/11/2005 03:31:12 PM · #85

Originally posted by kyebosh:

Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
People.

A crop factor isn't helping you 'get more out of your lenses'. At full frame without the crop factor, you can crop it yourself and get the same resolution.

And this camera wouldn't be a replacement for the 20d.

He wants it for an increase in framerate though, not detail.

Riot said:
there is no way they'd force wildlife and sports shooters to use the plastic rebel to get the most out of their long lenses, and that's not to mention the 3fps.

So I think you're wrong...the concern was with getting 'the most' out of the long lenses. If you want framerate, go with the 20d. If you want resolution, go with the 5d. I really don't understand the complication here.

08/11/2005 03:33:07 PM · #86

Originally posted by thatcloudthere:

People.

A crop factor isn't helping you 'get more out of your lenses'. At full frame without the crop factor, you can crop it yourself and get the same resolution.

Actually, cropping to a 1.6 crop factor (equivalent of the 20D) would only give you an effective 5 megapixels with that sensor.

08/11/2005 03:34:15 PM · #87

Originally posted by thatcloudthere:

Originally posted by kyebosh:

Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
People.

A crop factor isn't helping you 'get more out of your lenses'. At full frame without the crop factor, you can crop it yourself and get the same resolution.

And this camera wouldn't be a replacement for the 20d.

He wants it for an increase in framerate though, not detail.

Riot said:
there is no way they'd force wildlife and sports shooters to use the plastic rebel to get the most out of their long lenses, and that's not to mention the 3fps.

So I think you're wrong...the concern was with getting 'the most' out of the long lenses. If you want framerate, go with the 20d. If you want resolution, go with the 5d. I really don't understand the complication here.

Well... if you crop the 5D down to 1.6x, the 20D has more resolution.

08/11/2005 03:34:58 PM · #88

Originally posted by thatcloudthere:

I was arguing against the suggestion earlier that this would be a replacement for the 20D, and production of the 20D would stop with this. I was making the point that this camera would not come close to being an adequate replacement, so if they're planning to phase out the 20D, they must have something else in the works.

08/11/2005 03:36:23 PM · #89

Aha, makes sense...thanks riot.

Exactly, this is not a replacement for the 20d. Sorry, I didn't read your post in context.

08/11/2005 03:38:11 PM · #90

For those who can't afford a 1dsmk2 but drool over one, this would be fantastic, wouldn't it?

Personally, I drool over the 1dmk2 so I look forward to picking up a 20d once the used price drops at or after Christmas.

Canon EF 85mm f/1.2L II USM

08/12/2005 03:22:48 AM · #91

Originally posted by riot:

Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
People.

A crop factor isn't helping you 'get more out of your lenses'. At full frame without the crop factor, you can crop it yourself and get the same resolution.

Actually, cropping to a 1.6 crop factor (equivalent of the 20D) would only give you an effective 5 megapixels with that sensor.

I got 8.125Mp on a 1.6 crop of a 13Mp camera. You must be doing that new math.

NstiG8tr

Canon EOS-5D Mark IV

08/12/2005 03:35:40 AM · #92

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08/12/2005 03:48:51 AM · #93

Originally posted by dsmeth:

Originally posted by kpeng1:

"Basicly I tried to order item, got a refund back and then got a phising email with spoofed links to amazon. Email asked for wiretap to western union from romania."
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These things are on there all of the time. Just ignor them.

08/12/2005 05:19:48 AM · #94

This from an authorized Canon Dealer in the Netherlands:

10-08-2005 14:50 uur Canon komt met de nieuwe EOS 5D!

Deze camera heeft een 12,8 megapixel fullframe sensor (type CMOS 35,8 x 23,9mm). Het LCD scherm is groter dan dat van de andere modellen, het gaat hier om een 2,5 inch LCD scherm met 230.000 pixels. De Mount is gebouwd voor de EF lenzen, de EF-S lenzen zullen dus niet passen. De camera heeft een USB 2.0 aansluiting en de accu type BP511 is ongewijzigd gebleven. Schrijf u nu vrijblijvend in voor deze camera, prijs en levertijd momenteel nog niet bekend.(inschrijven kan via de button verwacht)

Stagolee

Kodak Easyshare C180

Canon EF 50mm f1.2L

08/12/2005 05:21:04 AM · #95

Originally posted by nsbca7:

Anyone care to translate !

08/12/2005 05:28:23 AM · #96

- 12.8 milj. pixels
- 35.8 x 23.9 mm CMos
- image processor: Digic II
- Iso: 100-1600
- Jpeg/RAW
- 2,5 inch LCD scherm met 230.000 pixels
- USB 2.0
- 9 punts autofocus
- buffer van 60 foto's in Jpeg
- compatible met de WFT -E1
- compatible met de EF lenzen (EF-S niet mogelijk)
- sluitertijden: 30-1/8000 sec.
- flitser: E-TTL II automatisch
- 3 beelden per seconde in Jpeg
- voeding: BP 511 (A)
- Grip BGE 4
- AC adapter ACK E2
- Auto Lader CR-560

Prijs en levertijd nog onbekend, u kunt zich via het kassa systeem vrijblijvend inschrijven voor dit product. Mocht er meer bekend zijn dan zullen wij het zeker op de site noteren.

Message edited by author 2005-08-12 05:58:50.

PaulMdx

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L USM

08/12/2005 05:28:49 AM · #97

Looks like Canon are living up to the philosophy that you can never have too many options.. :-)

nsbca7 - I think you said you'd be interested in a FF body?

Message edited by author 2005-08-12 05:30:56.

08/12/2005 05:54:34 AM · #98

Originally posted by PaulMdx:

nsbca7 - I think you said you'd be interested in a FF body?

I'd prefer one. I still have my eyes set on a 1Ds Mk II, but if the price is right on the 5D and the price of the 1Ds Mk II doesn't drop significantly I may consider the 5D instead. (and another L lens... or a trip to Cambodia... or a new boat... or a new 4wheeler... or another G5... )

Stagolee

Kodak Easyshare C180

Canon EF 50mm f1.2L

08/12/2005 06:15:22 AM · #99

Originally posted by nsbca7:

Originally posted by PaulMdx:
nsbca7 - I think you said you'd be interested in a FF body?

I'd prefer one. I still have my eyes set on a 1Ds Mk II, but if the price is right on the 5D and the price of the 1Ds Mk II doesn't drop significantly I may consider the 5D instead. (and another L lens... or a trip to Cambodia... or a new boat... or a new 4wheeler... or another G5... )

We are starting to see the 1D Mk 11 prices coming down in Australia right now. With all the rumors going around I think it is just time to sit back and wait.