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08/10/2005 07:50:26 AM · #51 |
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08/10/2005 07:58:37 AM · #52 |
| I hope a lot of 20d owners are too! |
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08/10/2005 08:07:44 AM · #53 |
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
I hope a lot of 20d owners are too! |
If that happens me and you both will get a 20D cheap. |
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08/11/2005 10:05:28 AM · #54 |
Still no eye control focus...
The 20D replacement will likely have some of these features too...so hat will be the cool one to get, and lots more affordable.
A lot of the new lenses coming our are for APS sized sensors...I am not ready to go full frame yet.
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08/11/2005 10:08:36 AM · #55 |
| What is eye-control focus? I thought you meant the replaceable focus screens...isn't that what you want? |
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08/11/2005 10:12:16 AM · #56 |
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
What is eye-control focus? I thought you meant the replaceable focus screens...isn't that what you want? |
//www.usa.canon.com/html/cameras_slr/elan7_index.html and click on the "Eye Control Focus" - then click on the photo that comes up.
Message edited by author 2005-08-11 10:13:39.
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08/11/2005 10:28:43 AM · #57 |
| It would be interesting to see the wide angle performance on a full framed sensor. I would imagine very soft edges and corners on anything below 28mm focal lengths. Weren't most of the EF lenses made for 35mm film cameras? If so, light at the corners and edges hits the sensor at an oblique angle (OK for film, but not as good for digital), making for softness and also reducing the amount of the image that comes from the "sweet spot" of the lens. |
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08/11/2005 10:47:43 AM · #58 |
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
It would be interesting to see the wide angle performance on a full framed sensor. I would imagine very soft edges and corners on anything below 28mm focal lengths. Weren't most of the EF lenses made for 35mm film cameras? If so, light at the corners and edges hits the sensor at an oblique angle (OK for film, but not as good for digital), making for softness and also reducing the amount of the image that comes from the "sweet spot" of the lens. |
you can already see examples of these in the 1Ds and the 1DsII. They're all over the internet, especially over at FM. Everyday there's a thread about a zeiss 21mm or some other wide angle that has been tested on a FF camera. The results are imo very good when primes are used.
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08/11/2005 10:47:59 AM · #59 |
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
It would be interesting to see the wide angle performance on a full framed sensor. I would imagine very soft edges and corners on anything below 28mm focal lengths. Weren't most of the EF lenses made for 35mm film cameras? If so, light at the corners and edges hits the sensor at an oblique angle (OK for film, but not as good for digital), making for softness and also reducing the amount of the image that comes from the "sweet spot" of the lens. |
My camera is FF and yes there is some vignetting that was not present with film BUT it is quite easy to fix in post, as for softness...that all depends on the quality of the glass. |
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08/11/2005 10:54:05 AM · #60 |
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
Still no eye control focus...
The 20D replacement will likely have some of these features too...so hat will be the cool one to get, and lots more affordable.
A lot of the new lenses coming our are for APS sized sensors...I am not ready to go full frame yet. |
I really don't want to see ECF on any of the new cameras. I think it would cost more, and that it would be almost never used.
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08/11/2005 11:12:04 AM · #61 |
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
It would be interesting to see the wide angle performance on a full framed sensor. I would imagine very soft edges and corners on anything below 28mm focal lengths. Weren't most of the EF lenses made for 35mm film cameras? If so, light at the corners and edges hits the sensor at an oblique angle (OK for film, but not as good for digital), making for softness and also reducing the amount of the image that comes from the "sweet spot" of the lens. |
I shot my 1Ds with a 20/2.8 USM and never had a problem. Not one image was soft on the edges. I never even use the lens on the 1D Mark II because it crops of the "wide" and the effect is less then what I bought the lens for.
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08/11/2005 11:17:44 AM · #62 |
Hmm, i suppose this could be genuine... but it seems a little fishy. But it's certainly not 100% fake.
That photo is definitely not photoshopped from parts of any other canon cameras, i spent a good deal of time staring at it :)
However, a lot doesn't add up about that pdf... the 3fps being the least of it. A good deal is pasted from the 20D... in fact, it looks like someone got the specs to the 20D and 1Ds-II and picked half from each.
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08/11/2005 11:23:50 AM · #63 |
Originally posted by riot:
Hmm, i suppose this could be genuine... but it seems a little fishy. But it's certainly not 100% fake.
That photo is definitely not photoshopped from parts of any other canon cameras, i spent a good deal of time staring at it :)
However, a lot doesn't add up about that pdf... the 3fps being the least of it. A good deal is pasted from the 20D... in fact, it looks like someone got the specs to the 20D and 1Ds-II and picked half from each. |
what's wrong with the 3fps? The 1DsII only does 4fps iirc, and it's the current flagship!
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08/11/2005 11:47:07 AM · #64 |
| the only thing that would make this story credible is if there is a 1DMk3 or something... because if this is not the case it means that there would be a Camera that is not an EOS-1 better than one of the EOS-1 cameras... talk about counter productive marketing. |
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08/11/2005 11:49:12 AM · #65 |
Even though the 20D does 5fps, this perpurted new 5D's 3fps is not unrealistic considering that a) it is a 13megapixel unit and b) it's full frame. The fact that it will take 60 frames is fairly impressive showing a probable larger memory buffer than the 20D (which I find usually gets 20-40 shots).
This unit looks to clearly sit between the 20D and the 1D line. And at $2,500-$3,000 price tag would seem to place it in such. The lack of a built in grip suggests it is indeed lower than the 1D line but the lack of a pop-up flash orients it higher than the 20D.
My guess, is this will be released and the 20D will continue to be sold, but manufacturing is likely to stop for the 20D soon and it will be sold from existing warehouse storage. I also expext that the 1D Mark II 1.3crop to be dropped soon.
Of note, the 1D Mark II is a 3fps normal speed, and an 8fps high speed. This makes me wonder if the new 5D at 3fps might also have an 8-10fps high speed. If so, then we might very well be looking at the replacement of the 1D Mark II. Which would make some sense.
Then in about 6 months we'll likely see the unit to surpass the 1Ds Mark II.
This will leave us with:
Rebel XT
20D (limited supply not strongly pushed and dropped next year)
5D
1Ds Mark II
1D Mark III (something with a 10-12fps speed)
1Ds Mark III (32 megapixel)
And I imagine both the Mark III will have sensor cleaning technologies akin to Olympus.
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08/11/2005 11:55:16 AM · #66 |
No it won't have a faster 8fps capibility... and I don't think there will be a digital with 9+ until the new sports camera comes out. I have heard talk of a 1DIIn to replace the current sports camera. This however, being full frame is probably not targeted towards sports photographers, and for the most part, people who don't shoot sports and wildlife, don't need a fast framerate.
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08/11/2005 11:58:33 AM · #67 |
| Canon confirms that there is no Camera to "exeed" the 1DsMkII before fall 2006. the frame size (this one anyway) cannot support more than 20mp before abherations and overheating occurs. |
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08/11/2005 12:00:45 PM · #68 |
Originally posted by Gil P:
Canon confirms that there is no Camera to "exeed" the 1DsMkII before fall 2006. the frame size (this one anyway) cannot support more than 20mp before abherations and overheating occurs. |
Any more info about this? I guess they'll find a way around heat issues somehow.
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08/11/2005 12:03:26 PM · #69 |
Originally posted by kyebosh:
Originally posted by Gil P:
Canon confirms that there is no Camera to "exeed" the 1DsMkII before fall 2006. the frame size (this one anyway) cannot support more than 20mp before abherations and overheating occurs. |
Any more info about this? I guess they'll find a way around heat issues somehow. |
You can subscribe to the Fotokina Market watch, it's a bit like CPS, they ask a million questions in their forms...but once you get in... you get all the good and bad news.
In the end, I think this is a prime example of technocatic fever... what does it frikin' matter what will come out when... we can all agree that what ever camera we own will be supassed technically....but it will still take the same great pictures we are used to taking... sometimes these threads feel like Y2K discussions....
Message edited by author 2005-08-11 12:05:20. |
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08/11/2005 12:03:29 PM · #70 |
Originally posted by theSaj:
My guess, is this will be released and the 20D will continue to be sold, but manufacturing is likely to stop for the 20D soon and it will be sold from existing warehouse storage. |
i'm pretty sure they won't stop making the 20D until they have a decent camera to replace it with. The 5D, assuming, that it's priced at around $3000-4000 alot more than what 20D is now |
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08/11/2005 12:04:25 PM · #71 |
Originally posted by theSaj:
Even though the 20D does 5fps, this perpurted new 5D's 3fps is not unrealistic considering that a) it is a 13megapixel unit and b) it's full frame. The fact that it will take 60 frames is fairly impressive showing a probable larger memory buffer than the 20D (which I find usually gets 20-40 shots).
This unit looks to clearly sit between the 20D and the 1D line. And at $2,500-$3,000 price tag would seem to place it in such. The lack of a built in grip suggests it is indeed lower than the 1D line but the lack of a pop-up flash orients it higher than the 20D.
My guess, is this will be released and the 20D will continue to be sold, but manufacturing is likely to stop for the 20D soon and it will be sold from existing warehouse storage. I also expext that the 1D Mark II 1.3crop to be dropped soon.
Of note, the 1D Mark II is a 3fps normal speed, and an 8fps high speed. This makes me wonder if the new 5D at 3fps might also have an 8-10fps high speed. If so, then we might very well be looking at the replacement of the 1D Mark II. Which would make some sense.
Then in about 6 months we'll likely see the unit to surpass the 1Ds Mark II.
This will leave us with:
Rebel XT
20D (limited supply not strongly pushed and dropped next year)
5D
1Ds Mark II
1D Mark III (something with a 10-12fps speed)
1Ds Mark III (32 megapixel)
And I imagine both the Mark III will have sensor cleaning technologies akin to Olympus. |
The chances of it being called the 5D are slim to none indeed.. with Konica-Minolta already having a 5D
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08/11/2005 12:06:40 PM · #72 |
| Not only is Konica using the name BUT 5d would fall completly out of the standard Canon call signs. |
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08/11/2005 12:18:39 PM · #73 |
Originally posted by Uusilehto:
Originally posted by theSaj:
My guess, is this will be released and the 20D will continue to be sold, but manufacturing is likely to stop for the 20D soon and it will be sold from existing warehouse storage. |
i'm pretty sure they won't stop making the 20D until they have a decent camera to replace it with. The 5D, assuming, that it's priced at around $3000-4000 alot more than what 20D is now |
I think they'll stop production but they'll have a good year worth of supply. The idea being most common people will buy the XT and only a select will buy the 20D so large supplies won't be so necessary. I am also, supposing that the 5D might have a higher fps mode akin to the 1D. So it may actually surpass the 20D when cropping.
Think, full frame sensor, fps = 3. Ability to use a crop 1.6 equivalent and get 5-8fps. This might make it the replacement for both the 20D and the 1D Mark II for most buyers. Then in 2006 the Mark III.
This would allow Canon to only have three cameras in manufacturing come the end of 2006.
Rebel XT
5D
1Ds Mark II with a new pro unit coming out above. The 5D is a hybrid of the 20D/1D. In that it does not have the built in grip. Nor does it have the consumer pop-up flash. Thus it would build a fairly established placement.
Prosumer = pop-up flash
Semi-pro = no pop-up flash
Pro = no pop-up flash + built in grip extension
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08/11/2005 12:32:35 PM · #74 |
Originally posted by Gil P:
Not only is Konica using the name BUT 5d would fall completly out of the standard Canon call signs. |
Actually, it fits very well...
1D = 1's usually represent dedicated high end pro-models
5D = EOS film line has EOS-3/7. So it would make sense for the 5D to be entry pro.
20D = Semi-pro
300D = Prosumer
And who cares if a 5D exists. Canon knows their name weighs well enough. Olympus has E-20 and Canon 20D. I think people usually choose high end cameras "brand first" then model. So it's not a real issue. |
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08/11/2005 12:50:34 PM · #75 |
Originally posted by theSaj:
Originally posted by Gil P:
Not only is Konica using the name BUT 5d would fall completly out of the standard Canon call signs. |
Actually, it fits very well...
1D = 1's usually represent dedicated high end pro-models
5D = EOS film line has EOS-3/7. So it would make sense for the 5D to be entry pro.
20D = Semi-pro
300D = Prosumer
And who cares if a 5D exists. Canon knows their name weighs well enough. Olympus has E-20 and Canon 20D. I think people usually choose high end cameras "brand first" then model. So it's not a real issue. |
It'd be a legal issue. E-20 and 20D might have the same number in them, but are inherently different. 5D is a numerical-alpha combination that would have to change somewhat in order for it not to be infringing on another brand's name. So they might have to go with 15D, or 5Ds or something. However, it's all conjecture, but it'd be the first true sharing of a model tag that I know of, if it happened.
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