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08/04/2005 08:39:48 AM · #1 |
It seems that the blue ribbon for this challenge should be taken down. It borders on offensive to associate a ceremonial dress of a native north american with tools of the trade.
Oh yes, in fundamental art class (which is the introductory class) the three ribbons are what you woulkd call a 'study'. Now this is the most elementary of work and is used to learn skills............... |
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08/04/2005 08:46:31 AM · #2 |
Originally posted by azoychka:
It seems that the blue ribbon for this challenge should be taken down. It borders on offensive to associate a ceremonial dress of a native north american with tools of the trade.
Oh yes, in fundamental art class (which is the introductory class) the three ribbons are what you woulkd call a 'study'. Now this is the most elementary of work and is used to learn skills............... |
It doesn't offend me and it fits the challenge.
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08/04/2005 08:46:36 AM · #3 |
In what way do you find it offensive?
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08/04/2005 08:59:54 AM · #4 |
I didn't truly see an occupation to warrant 'tools' in this photo, and I made that comment during voting but I don't see why it is offensive! Could you please explain?
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08/04/2005 09:08:21 AM · #5 |
It does not matter if it offends you 'notonline' what matters is if it might offend a minority individual. It is always easy to brush aside something because it is not obvious to a non-minority person. Sensitivity and respect is sort of important....I believe........
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08/04/2005 09:10:23 AM · #6 |
Well, I guess not enough voters fell into the minority and were offended enough to vote it down substantially.
Originally posted by azoychka:
It does not matter if it offends you 'notonline' what matters is if it might offend a minority individual. It is always easy to brush aside something because it is not obvious to a non-minority person. Sensitivity and respect is sort of important....I believe........ |
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08/04/2005 09:12:42 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by azoychka:
It does not matter if it offends you 'notonline' what matters is if it might offend a minority individual. It is always easy to brush aside something because it is not obvious to a non-minority person. Sensitivity and respect is sort of important....I believe........ |
But thats part of MY heritage it like I said it does NOT offend me in any way.
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08/04/2005 09:13:41 AM · #8 |
That could be true.........it still does not change the possibility of this title and association being ________.
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08/04/2005 09:14:19 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Well, I guess not enough voters fell into the minority and were offended enough to vote it down substantially.
Originally posted by azoychka:
It does not matter if it offends you 'notonline' what matters is if it might offend a minority individual. It is always easy to brush aside something because it is not obvious to a non-minority person. Sensitivity and respect is sort of important....I believe........ |
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Huh? I really don't get your flippant answer glad2. I do agree that we should strive to not upset ethnic minorities. However, I just don't see how that could be the case here. |
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08/04/2005 09:15:28 AM · #10 |
Accepted 'notonline' Is this ceremonial dress important or is it indeed no more than a 'tool of the trade'?
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08/04/2005 09:21:39 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by azoychka:
Accepted 'notonline' Is this ceremonial dress important or is it indeed no more than a 'tool of the trade'? |
Its not just the 'dress' that is the tool but the drum as well. Being native is not a trade but the 'rain dance' is which makes that particular photo well done IMO. You really don't know if it is what it is unless you were there. perhaps its just a photo of a native indian beating a drum for a fire, wind or grass song speaking to mother earth. I find its the title that makes the impact followed by a well shot photo and in no way is it offensive. In fact I find that it honours ALL north American/Canadian native indians.
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08/04/2005 09:21:49 AM · #12 |
I do not see a connection with the title and picture being offensive.
It is well "known" that the Native American's used to do rain dances, and they generally used drums and ceremonial "tools" for performing the dance.
I think the title and the photo are great examples of ones that flow smoothly.
If it does offend you I'm sorry, but that happens sometimes. I've seen pictures that ARE offensive get loads of praise for doing just that. To each their own. This site is geared to represent artistic tastes of the photographer and the masses. The majority of people, liked it over all the others.
Voting breakdown:
1 0
2 3
3 2
4 16
5 34
6 58
7 52
8 45
9 37
10 29
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08/04/2005 09:31:49 AM · #13 |
Holy crap people! How far does this PC crap have to go. An excellent picture of a Native American (of which is part of my heritage) performing a ritual/ceremony. What is offensive? If everything that is offensive to ONE freakin minority person is stricken from ever being seen, said, etc, then everyone will have to shut their pie holes and NEVER speak or do anything, ever!
Wait, what about someone overweight shown eating, or sitting around on a couch or something? STRIKE IT!
If you just have respect for people, in general, all this PC crap would be out the door. People can't celebrate differences without it being "bad," especially when they are not of that particular group. I will put in here as an example of the disrespectful use of the N word.
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08/04/2005 09:34:15 AM · #14 |
Just thought that this thread is really reaching to say this image is offensive. Sounding a bit overly liberal...if we go there with this image, there are many others that could be considered offensive to somebody. Where do you draw the line? Like I said...really reaching here.
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:
Huh? I really don't get your flippant answer glad2. I do agree that we should strive to not upset ethnic minorities. However, I just don't see how that could be the case here. |
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08/04/2005 09:46:12 AM · #15 |
hey I have a better idea.....it is just an overworked simple pic and wheter it might offend someone....ah who cares!
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08/04/2005 09:51:29 AM · #16 |
What is wrong with people this week...first we have a troll pooing on the whole DPC community, then we have this? The blue ribbon entry offensive???? Geeez...that's what's wrong in this society today...being so afraid to offend someone that nothing gets done...everyone gets offended these days. A kids gets an F in Mathematics and the parent is offended cuz the F will ruin the kid's future. Miss Universe wears a sash saying "Miss Universe" and gets banned from Toronto City hall because she might offend some feminist...on and on and on with that nonsense.
The native americans or first nations as they are called here did do rain dances for centuries before the white man (or should I say pigment challenged so as to be PC?) came to this continent and drums and ceremonial dresses were used for that. What's offensive???? Man get a life!
PS: Your last remark was very offensive towards the winner of the blue ribbon, SC remove his offensive remark.
Message edited by author 2005-08-04 09:52:58.
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08/04/2005 09:53:50 AM · #17 |
Originally posted by doctornick:
should I say pigment challenged so as to be PC?) |
I'm offended!!! I'm not pigmentally challenged, just pigheaded. I'm not white either, I'm pale! |
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08/04/2005 10:14:50 AM · #18 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Just thought that this thread is really reaching to say this image is offensive. Sounding a bit overly liberal...if we go there with this image, there are many others that could be considered offensive to somebody. Where do you draw the line? Like I said...really reaching here.
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:
Huh? I really don't get your flippant answer glad2. I do agree that we should strive to not upset ethnic minorities. However, I just don't see how that could be the case here. |
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Just because this photo doesn't offend anybody in most people's opinions does not mean we shouldn't try to make an effort to be aware of people's feelings.
Okay, nobody's feelings are hurt on this photo, but you can't judge by saying that most people didn't vote it down. |
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08/04/2005 10:25:37 AM · #19 |
OK - valid point. Thanks.
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:
...but you can't judge by saying that most people didn't vote it down. |
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08/04/2005 10:45:28 AM · #20 |
hey doctornick thanks for diminshing the concept of being senstitive to others....as for the blue ribbon winner.......I think it is time to recall imageneat or whatever that ghastly program is. Sheesh.........
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08/04/2005 10:49:02 AM · #21 |
I agree with you notonline... this is an honorable and well shot photo that shoud offend no one.
Originally posted by notonline:
Originally posted by azoychka:
Accepted 'notonline' Is this ceremonial dress important or is it indeed no more than a 'tool of the trade'? |
Its not just the 'dress' that is the tool but the drum as well. Being native is not a trade but the 'rain dance' is which makes that particular photo well done IMO. You really don't know if it is what it is unless you were there. perhaps its just a photo of a native indian beating a drum for a fire, wind or grass song speaking to mother earth. I find its the title that makes the impact followed by a well shot photo and in no way is it offensive. In fact I find that it honours ALL north American/Canadian native indians. |
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08/04/2005 10:55:15 AM · #22 |
it 'should not offend' but maybe it might. Now 'aboutimages' intent might have bearing here. Was the intent to'honour' or just snap a picture.........?
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08/04/2005 11:02:24 AM · #23 |
| Sensitive to other?? You mean baby them? Sorry, but in the real world people will offend you. Not because of what they said or did, but because you took it all wrong. Step back and really look at things. I am also part native indian and am not offended by the photo. I can't even imagine why someone would be. |
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08/04/2005 11:03:08 AM · #24 |
| I don't see how it could be offensive. Indians put on festivals all the time. The outfits they wear for show are completely different then the ones they wear on the reservation. I was under the understanding that at the last Indian Festival I went to that photos were allowed because the ones they don't won't photographed they only were on the reservation. |
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08/04/2005 11:15:42 AM · #25 |
Originally posted by azoychka:
it 'should not offend' but maybe it might. Now 'aboutimages' intent might have bearing here. Was the intent to'honour' or just snap a picture.........? |
I rarely, if ever, just snap pictures. This man was performing. He was attempting to give his audience an appreciation for the garb, dances, and rituals of his forefathers, something that has been all but lost. His performance was an attempt to honor that which was done by his ancestors, and my photo was an attempt to capture what he was doing.
I say to each their own opinion. But I do find it curious that any photographer would be under attack for simply recording what they saw. Isn't that the underlying precept of photography? Recording an instant of what you saw for others to participate in? |
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