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08/03/2005 10:23:16 AM · #1
Ok, I am starting this thread for a general place for us to discuss Cokin System filters. I was going to post a question mainly, but I think it would be interesting to have a thread that all Cokin users want to jump in, ask a question, make a comment, tell us about your best filter or shots. Or not...we'll see how it goes.

I really like the Cokin system, I have an A system (many years old) and a P system (for about 6 months now, I guess). But now, with my 10-22mm lens, I find myself wanting an "Z-Pro" system, so I can use 10mm without seeing the filter holder (even the wide angle model) around the rim of my shots! Unfortunately, that means my investment in filters is no good, I have an extra device to carry, and the Z system seems expensive!

The filter holder plus 77mm adapter ring alone cost almost $80. The kits for the P system with an adapter ring and filter holder are under $20. Does anyone know if the P adapter rings work with the Z-Pro holder? Is there a cheaper alternative to using my P system without vignetting? (I've even thought about holding the filter in front of the lens! The Z pro line holder is reversable so the filter is right up against the lens, and I presume it's bigger, but it would be easier and cheaper to have a P size solution).

Thoughts anyone on wide angle solutions?
08/03/2005 10:25:42 AM · #2
I invested in a p system mout for school. They apparently think it's worth it. I love my ND filter.
08/03/2005 10:29:24 AM · #3
They now have an infrared filter which I think I may try.
//www.cokin.com/ico6-INFRARED-FILTER.html

The X-pro series may be needed for the lenses with > 77mm filter threads.

//www.cokin.com/ico2-p1.html

Message edited by author 2005-08-03 10:31:46.
08/03/2005 11:27:07 AM · #4
Originally posted by cpanaioti:

They now have an infrared filter which I think I may try.
//www.cokin.com/ico6-INFRARED-FILTER.html


I'm waiting for mine to arrive :) should come tomorrow hopefully..
08/03/2005 11:32:00 AM · #5
Does anyone here have the X or Z system? Are the adapter rings different than the P? I presume the filter size is different, but please confirm that too.
08/03/2005 11:33:32 AM · #6
Originally posted by nshapiro:

Does anyone here have the X or Z system? Are the adapter rings different than the P? I presume the filter size is different, but please confirm that too.


From what I saw on their site there is an adapter/something you can get for the P system in order to use the larger filters.

//www.cokin.com/ico4-p1.html

See last entry on page.

Message edited by author 2005-08-03 11:34:46.
08/03/2005 11:40:27 AM · #7
Neil - I'm suffering the same issue with large diameter wide angles. So far the only solution looks like a Pro system or a seperate filter just for that lens. I have not checked to see if they fit yet but the adapter part numbers for a 77mm lens are different for the P & Pro series. Gotta go for now but I'll let you know if I find any more ut on this issue.
08/03/2005 12:06:08 PM · #8
I have the P system and have been contemplating the same issue as well. I have two teleconverters for my Olympus cameras that are 86mm and 105mm!!! I've also been contemplating purchasing the new infrared filter. What I've been thinking of doing (and this is a very primitive idea and UNprofessional as well) is to hold the filter in place using masking tape, maybe on some kind of homemade lens hood. In order for the filter to fit on my 105mm lens, I would need the X-system and that's going to mean carrying so much extra gear and I don't have room for it all.

I'm also going to be looking at the Lee filters as an alternative and maybe the HiTechs too.

What concerns me most about these filters is that they are plastic and not glass and will degrade image quality. Anyone have any take on that issue?
08/03/2005 01:08:09 PM · #9
Argh. I was just playing with the wide angle P adapter, I put it on and it's fine. No visible vignetting even at 10mm. So the shots I was looking at I must have been using the regular adapter.

Unfortunately, in playing, before I did the test I tried putting my GND in the very first slot (which is actually really only for the outside rim of the polarizer) and the release nubs scratched my GND.

So for those with the 10-22, let me correct what I said: the P system, wide angle adapter is sufficient, at least for this 10-22, 77mm wide angle lens.

I guess that's the problem with having both the regular and wide angle adapter. I must have take the shots in question somewhere where I didn't have the wide angle adapter with me! (Keeping everything in my camera bag is sometimes a problem, especially when I shift between a larger and a smaller bag sometimes.)

So now maybe I'll just go shopping for some new P filters. I want to try one of the tobacco colored filters, or other warming graduated types.


08/03/2005 01:10:42 PM · #10
Originally posted by nshapiro:

Argh. I was just playing with the wide angle P adapter, I put it on and it's fine. No visible vignetting even at 10mm. So the shots I was looking at I must have been using the regular adapter.

Unfortunately, in playing, before I did the test I tried putting my GND in the very first slot (which is actually really only for the outside rim of the polarizer) and the release nubs scratched my GND.

So for those with the 10-22, let me correct what I said: the P system, wide angle adapter is sufficient, at least for this 10-22, 77mm wide angle lens.

I guess that's the problem with having both the regular and wide angle adapter. I must have take the shots in question somewhere where I didn't have the wide angle adapter with me! (Keeping everything in my camera bag is sometimes a problem, especially when I shift between a larger and a smaller bag sometimes.)

So now maybe I'll just go shopping for some new P filters. I want to try one of the tobacco colored filters, or other warming graduated types.


I have a graduated tobacco filter. It's great for creating sunset effects at midday.
08/03/2005 01:26:55 PM · #11
Colette, would love to see some pics from it.

Has anyone tried the Singh-Ray Gold and Blue polarizer (for Cokin or otherwise)?

I noticed in my amber/brown tinted glasses how much contrast is enhanced to my eyes? Any good advice for contrast enhancing filters that are compatible with color photography?

Oops: Typo, it's Singh-Ray not sing-raw. Must have RAW on my mind...

Message edited by author 2005-08-03 13:36:49.
08/03/2005 01:28:55 PM · #12
Originally posted by nshapiro:

Colette, would love to see some pics from it.

Has anyone tried the sing-raw Gold and Blue polarizer (for Cokin or otherwise)?

I noticed in my amber/brown tinted glasses how much contrast is enhanced to my eyes? Any good advice for contrast enhancing filters that are compatible with color photography?


I'll see if I can find some tonite.

Samples from the Singh-Ray gold/blue polarizer can be found on the luminous landscape site (at least that's where I remember seeing them).
08/03/2005 01:42:50 PM · #13
Originally posted by cpanaioti:

They now have an infrared filter which I think I may try.
//www.cokin.com/ico6-INFRARED-FILTER.html


I`ve been using this for a few months and it works really well :)
08/03/2005 02:26:39 PM · #14
Originally posted by nshapiro:


So for those with the 10-22, let me correct what I said: the P system, wide angle adapter is sufficient, at least for this 10-22, 77mm wide angle lens.


This is great to hear. I can't shoot my 12-24 at 12 or 13 without problems so I'll have to try the wide angle adapter. Thanks for the info.

As for filters I only use the Circular Polarizer and a 2 Stop GND filter both of which I find handy on landscapes. Any info on how the rest work will be a bonus.
08/03/2005 02:30:36 PM · #15
I've no idea about Cokin filters, but bear in mind Canon recommend a ultra-thin filter for the EF-S 10-22mm to avoid vignetting.
08/03/2005 03:26:36 PM · #16
For those interested in buying filters, check out //www.thefilterconnection.com. There prices seem to be the best, and this was my third time ordering from them (and I've not had a problem yet).

I just ordered the Cokin P Series #173 Varicolor Blue/Yellow that was written up at Luminous Landscape.

Blue Yellow Polarizer review at Luminous Landscape
Article on Blue Yellow and Gold-Blue Singh Ray

Unfortunately, the Singh-Ray filter is $180, so I went with the Cokin.

Also got a Cokin P252 Lens Cap for the filter adapter, and three P253 which can go over the ring adapter on the lens, if you want to leave it on (which I do!)

I was real tempted to buy the IR filter, but as I already spent to much, I figured I'd wait till next time.
08/03/2005 03:31:33 PM · #17
Originally posted by Geo_Griffin:

Originally posted by cpanaioti:

They now have an infrared filter which I think I may try.
//www.cokin.com/ico6-INFRARED-FILTER.html


I`ve been using this for a few months and it works really well :)

This is shot with Cokin's IR filter:

This is one of only a few successful shots with this P system filter. The problem is that if you slide it into the same holder slot as you would any other rectangular Cokin filter, then you get massive glare off the back of the filter. It's like placing a black plastic mirror in front of the lens! Finally I forced it into the slot for circular filters (like polarizers). That solved the problem because that slot is right up against the holder, blocking light much better. But forcing the filter in there scratched it, and is clearly not a convenient way to use it. I thought of taping the gap when it's in the regular position, but that's pretty cumbersome too. Has anyone else found a better solution?
08/03/2005 03:31:53 PM · #18
I got a quote for the P007 IR filter from McBain Camera of $36 CDN which seems to be the lowest price for that filter. Unfortunately, it's on backorder so there's an approx. 4 - 6 week wait.
08/03/2005 08:54:26 PM · #19
Another update: I used the wide angle adapter tonight with the Cokin polarizer. The polarizer does vignette (pretty badly) when you use it at 10mm. It's not the wide adapter's fault. The polarizer is too small or too "thick" for being this far out from the lens. Sadly (I think) I just ordered the Cokin Blue/Yellow polarizer today, now I will have to limit my shots to 12mm or so, or fix the vignetting.
08/03/2005 10:03:06 PM · #20
Just for reference

Graduated tobacco filter (A125) -

All images taken at ~ 6:30 pm on June 30, 2003
12/04/2005 09:27:06 PM · #21
Hi, I am a Canon 20D owner with two 77mm lenses and one 58mm lens. I think I need the Cokin P system, but there seems to be so many parts to this. Can someone send me a link for all parts I will need (amazon or bhphotovideo) for the system. I don't know if I need the system plus an adaptor ring for both 77 & 55 or just the system itself or what. This is so confusing. I am very new to cokin (never used it), but the prices are good, so I want to start! I am interested in an ND filter or two (which ones are recommended?) and also a circular polarizer. Any help would be greatly appreciated!!!! :)
12/04/2005 10:07:20 PM · #22
Originally posted by mirdonamy:

Hi, I am a Canon 20D owner with two 77mm lenses and one 58mm lens. I think I need the Cokin P system, but there seems to be so many parts to this. Can someone send me a link for all parts I will need (amazon or bhphotovideo) for the system. I don't know if I need the system plus an adaptor ring for both 77 & 55 or just the system itself or what. This is so confusing. I am very new to cokin (never used it), but the prices are good, so I want to start! I am interested in an ND filter or two (which ones are recommended?) and also a circular polarizer. Any help would be greatly appreciated!!!! :)


This is what I have (All P series):
- Filter holder
- Adaptor rings (Whichever diam. you need up to 82mm)
- Lens Cap (Optional; I seldom use it)
- Lens hood (Optional; mine's collecting dust)
- 1-stop ND
- 2-stop ND
- 3-stop ND
- 3-stop grad ND
- ~2-stop grad ND
- Circular polarizer

You can also take a look at the list of Cokin stuff in B&H here
12/04/2005 10:08:17 PM · #23
You need an adapter ring for each lens you intend to use Cokin filters with, the filter holder and the filters (of course ;o)). As mentioned in another thread, a lens cap for each lens would be beneficial as well.
12/05/2005 01:16:21 AM · #24
Thank you both so much!
12/05/2005 01:38:19 AM · #25
Lee > Cokin

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