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07/27/2005 02:35:41 AM · #26 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
And how many photos do you think we'd have to review to see if it was just a tiny bit more than a speck of dust?
I'm not reviewing all 600 photos in an open challenge to see if it's "too much" spot editing, but that's what would be required to enforce this rule. Maybe they can email all the originals to you and you can decide ... |
Sorry.. but with that logic, you should be reviewing all 600 photos in an open challenge to enforce the "no spot editing" rules as it is.. right?
Right? You *ARE* aren't you? Right? because *NOBODY* sneaks spot-editing into the myriad entries in each open challenge.. RIGHT!?
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07/27/2005 02:36:52 AM · #27 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by kpriest:
Why do people assume that EVERYTHING is a slippery slope and the WORST possible outcome would result from ANY change??? |
I'm not assuming, I'm basing it on the evidence of about 40 years of observing human behavior. A logical extrapolation is not an assumption. |
Let me get this straight - You are extrapolating that people will request a DQ on every clean image (600 of them) alleging that "more than dust was removed"??? Absurd.
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07/27/2005 02:42:09 AM · #28 |
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no.... B
no....A
I can;t decide ! aaaagggghhhhh |
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07/27/2005 02:50:57 AM · #29 |
Originally posted by Artyste:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
And how many photos do you think we'd have to review to see if it was just a tiny bit more than a speck of dust?
I'm not reviewing all 600 photos in an open challenge to see if it's "too much" spot editing, but that's what would be required to enforce this rule. Maybe they can email all the originals to you and you can decide ... |
Sorry.. but with that logic, you should be reviewing all 600 photos in an open challenge to enforce the "no spot editing" rules as it is.. right?
Right? You *ARE* aren't you? Right? because *NOBODY* sneaks spot-editing into the myriad entries in each open challenge.. RIGHT!? |
I think that, knowing that "some" editing is now allowed, there will be a marked increase in both the temptation to cheat and the suspicion of it--together this will probably produce more DQ requests than we currently get; maybe not hundreds, but even ten would be a significant problem in getting all of them reviewed in time, especially as people are also clamoring for additional challenges.
I don't approve of taking simple rules and carving out exceptions, and I don't believe in fixing things which aren't broke, especially when the subsequent unexpected breakdown will mean more work for me : ) |
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07/27/2005 02:53:52 AM · #30 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
I think that, knowing that "some" editing is now allowed, there will be a marked increase in both the temptation to cheat and the suspicion of it--together this will probably produce more DQ requests than we currently get; maybe not hundreds, but even ten would be a significant problem in getting all of them reviewed in time, especially as people are also clamoring for additional challenges.
I don't approve of taking simple rules and carving out exceptions, and I don't believe in fixing things which aren't broke, especially when the subsequent unexpected breakdown will mean more work for me : ) |
I still disagree. Simple test - have a Basic Editing challenge with one special rule exception: Cloning out dust specs is legal. See how many more DQ requests you get.
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07/27/2005 02:54:11 AM · #31 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by Artyste:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
And how many photos do you think we'd have to review to see if it was just a tiny bit more than a speck of dust?
I'm not reviewing all 600 photos in an open challenge to see if it's "too much" spot editing, but that's what would be required to enforce this rule. Maybe they can email all the originals to you and you can decide ... |
Sorry.. but with that logic, you should be reviewing all 600 photos in an open challenge to enforce the "no spot editing" rules as it is.. right?
Right? You *ARE* aren't you? Right? because *NOBODY* sneaks spot-editing into the myriad entries in each open challenge.. RIGHT!? |
I think that, knowing that "some" editing is now allowed, there will be a marked increase in both the temptation to cheat and the suspicion of it--together this will probably produce more DQ requests than we currently get; maybe not hundreds, but even ten would be a significant problem in getting all of them reviewed in time, especially as people are also clamoring for additional challenges.
I don't approve of taking simple rules and carving out exceptions, and I don't believe in fixing things which aren't broke, especially when the subsequent unexpected breakdown will mean more work for me : ) |
See, that's a little more logical a thought. lol. I honestly don't care either way. I can deal with a little sensor dust. I don't mark images down for it being there.. yadda yadda yadda.. but I just can't handle unrealistic arguements, which is what I saw your idea that every entry would have to be reviewed as. Also.. I think this thread might just end up making people start requesting DQs more often .. just as a side effect... now.
oops.
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07/27/2005 02:56:01 AM · #32 |
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07/27/2005 02:56:20 AM · #33 |
Originally posted by Artyste:
Also.. I think this thread might just end up making people start requesting DQs more often .. just as a side effect... now.
oops. |
Hmmmmm.......
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07/27/2005 03:02:27 AM · #34 |
Originally posted by kpriest:
Originally posted by Artyste:
Also.. I think this thread might just end up making people start requesting DQs more often .. just as a side effect... now.
oops. |
Hmmmmm....... |
And we know who's the premiere Photoshopper in these parts, don't we ...? |
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07/27/2005 03:05:30 AM · #35 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by kpriest:
Originally posted by Artyste:
Also.. I think this thread might just end up making people start requesting DQs more often .. just as a side effect... now.
oops. |
Hmmmmm....... |
And we know who's the premiere Photoshopper in these parts, don't we ...? |
Are you saying that I didn't actually take a pic of Godzilla for the textures challenge, but that I PS'd him in??? ;-P
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07/27/2005 03:26:41 AM · #36 |
B
For the reasons others have said about it being subjective and thus hard for the SC to moderate.
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07/27/2005 03:41:31 AM · #37 |
Originally posted by kpriest:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
And we know who's the premiere Photoshopper in these parts, don't we ...? |
Are you saying that I didn't actually take a pic of Godzilla for the textures challenge, but that I PS'd him in??? ;-P |
Ya know, someone will fill the urge to clone out godzilla-size spots from his pics.
Message edited by author 2005-07-27 03:43:42. |
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07/27/2005 04:26:16 AM · #38 |
Originally posted by dacrazyrn:
B Clean your sensor before going out. Frequent self maintenance using the blower is the easiest, do it when you change lenses. (C: |
Any idea how to do this with a fixed-lens camera? I know at least one user who has a sensor dust issue on the Sony DSC-F717.
-Terry
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07/27/2005 05:19:40 AM · #39 |
B
same arguments, subjectiveness, SC time...
Message edited by author 2005-07-27 05:20:14.
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07/27/2005 05:22:52 AM · #40 |
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I change lenses very frequently, the idea of cleaning with each change is just silly
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07/27/2005 06:04:47 AM · #41 |
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07/27/2005 06:08:04 AM · #42 |
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07/27/2005 06:16:27 AM · #43 |
Originally posted by kpriest:
... Why do people assume that EVERYTHING is a slippery slope and the WORST possible outcome would result from ANY change??? ... |
Becase that is the history of dpc.
I haven't been here since the beginning. But I have been here since the debate over the Advanced rules. The trend is that for every change, the negative effects predicted by those opposed to the change have come to be.
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07/27/2005 06:25:42 AM · #44 |
B
if you care enough to go get the shot, maybe you should care enough to check your equipment before heading out. if it's a higher score you're after, it ain't the dust that's holding you down. check out all the dust on this one...
or maybe they just have better looking dust in iceland and everyone else should be allowed to clone it out :P
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07/27/2005 06:27:11 AM · #45 |
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07/27/2005 06:44:18 AM · #46 |
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07/27/2005 06:49:15 AM · #47 |
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07/27/2005 06:59:34 AM · #48 |
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07/27/2005 07:17:27 AM · #49 |
hey guys...we're getting fired up for nothing. Just simply vote yes or no (A OR B) ... IF the A's won, then I'd say it would need some future consideration...but for now, let's try and keep things to a simple A or B.
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07/27/2005 07:23:26 AM · #50 |
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
Originally posted by dacrazyrn:
B Clean your sensor before going out. Frequent self maintenance using the blower is the easiest, do it when you change lenses. (C: |
Any idea how to do this with a fixed-lens camera? I know at least one user who has a sensor dust issue on the Sony DSC-F717.
-Terry |
i have the same problem with my camera...no way to clean it. :( |
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