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07/25/2005 12:30:49 PM · #1 |
Has there ever been a tie for 1st, 2nd or 3rd place in a challenge? And if so, what happens?
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07/25/2005 12:35:26 PM · #2 |
| I think have been ties for second, in which case there's no third place. We may once have had to give out two third place ribbons. |
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07/25/2005 12:42:51 PM · #3 |
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07/25/2005 02:28:49 PM · #4 |
//www.dpchallenge.com/challenge_results.php?CHALLENGE_ID=134
Tie for first place :)
I don't think there's ever been a tie for third...
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05/02/2007 10:41:33 AM · #5 |
I think there was a tie for third â€Â¦ The category was Kitchenware.
I'll probably regret this but I gotta tell yah â€Â¦ same number of votes and same total score = same average score. My commenters score was higher â€Â¦ but I don't think that matters and I don't know how the results were decided.
Should there be 2 yellows ribbys? How are they gonna squeeze them on?
Message edited by author 2007-05-02 10:52:17. |
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05/02/2007 10:51:40 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by metatate:
I think there was a tie for third â€Â¦ The category was Kitchenware.
I'll probably regret this but I gotta tell yah â€Â¦ same number of votes and same total score = same average score. My commenters score was higher â€Â¦ but I don't think that matters and I don't know how the results were decided. |
my guess is that the actual score is differentiated by a larger set of decimal points, but the site only displays to the thousandth. i don't think that's happened before, and i thank you for pointing it out.
:)
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05/02/2007 10:52:19 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by metatate:
I think there was a tie for third â€Â¦ The category was Kitchenware.
I'll probably regret this but I gotta tell yah â€Â¦ same number of votes and same total score = same average score. My commenters score was higher â€Â¦ but I don't think that matters and I don't know how the results were decided. |
Once I got the same score as another person (not a ribbon score though) and I placed above that person. I asked SC about it and they said even though scores are only shown to the 4th decimal place, they are calculated to more places than that, so it wasn't really a tie.
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05/02/2007 10:53:25 AM · #8 |
When you add the numbers together, they are exactly the same divided by the same number of votes (190) â€Â¦ therefore, the decimals should be the same.
Message edited by author 2007-05-02 10:54:04. |
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05/02/2007 11:02:29 AM · #9 |
Indeed! Exact same score. It appears that  DUCATISTA is in fact 2/4. Langdon may have to fit 4 photos on the front page for this one! |
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05/02/2007 11:09:56 AM · #10 |
Indeed, this is definitely a tie.
And the "extra decimal points" story just doesn't wash with the number of votes on a typical challenge. With 4 decimal places being displayed on the site it's not possible to get a case where two scores are reported the same, but are actually different, until over 10,000 votes have been received.
To use the example in the Kitchenware challenge, the 3rd and 4th place pictures got a total of 1269 over 190 votes, an average of 6.6789. If one of them had polled just one point more (e.g. change a 5 vote to a 6) that would change the average to 6.6842. Take one point away and it changes to 6.6737. Pretty obvious changes ;).
splidge
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05/02/2007 11:15:14 AM · #11 |
| Maybe DUCATISTA will thank me (a fellow Swede â€Â¦ or at least in descent) for her second ribbon and I'm sure not her last. She's already on the front page this weekâ€Â¦ so maybe they'll keep me up there out of courtesy ;P |
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05/02/2007 11:20:18 AM · #12 |
i'm not a math whiz. i was just hypothesizin'
i've posted a note to langdon and we're trying to figure it all out.
why'd you guys wait 3 days to point this out? lol.
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05/02/2007 12:32:09 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by muckpond:
i'm not a math whiz. i was just hypothesizin' |
Nothing personal :). Just thought it was worth clarifying how these things work out. Useful for everyone to know that the reported scores are accurate enough that a single vote changing by 1 will always show up in the score (unless the number of voters goes up a LOT ;).
splidge
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05/02/2007 05:00:50 PM · #14 |
I did notice it but i was looking around in forums and in the rules to see if maybe there was a procedure for this anomoly â€Â¦ apparently not. How exciting - maybe an animated GIF that changes the yellow ribbon image every few seconds on everyone's screen ;P~~~~~ c'mon, that's brilliant!
Originally posted by muckpond:
i'm not a math whiz. i was just hypothesizin'
i've posted a note to langdon and we're trying to figure it all out.
why'd you guys wait 3 days to point this out? lol. |
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05/02/2007 06:55:32 PM · #15 |
metatate: You are correct, this is a true tie. There are typically a couple of these in every challenges, usually toward the middle of the rankings.
Though it is not explicitly programmed this way, when there is a true tie, the the entry with the lower IMAGE_ID number gets listed first. The only way to correct this is for an Administrator (not SC) to manually edit the PLACE for the affected entry in the database. Our de facto policy has traditionally been that we will do this only when ribbons are affected.
splidge: It is possible for two entries to have the same score to 4 decimal places, and not be tied. For example, an entry with 189 votes totalling 1133, and one with 188 votes totalling 1127, wiuld both display a score of 5.9947, even though the entry with 189 votes has a slightly higher score (5.994708995 vs 5.994680851). This also happens several times per challenge, and in this case, the server will order the entries correctly by their true scores. This situation is not considered a tie, and would not be adjusted, even if it appeared in the ribbon results.
~Terry
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05/02/2007 07:17:30 PM · #16 |
Nice to see the tied thirds on the front page. Well done to all
Message edited by author 2007-05-02 19:17:41. |
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05/02/2007 07:40:04 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
splidge: It is possible for two entries to have the same score to 4 decimal places, and not be tied. [..] |
Indeed, I failed to consider that. But my statement stands if the number of votes received is equal, which was the case here. In fact I'd guess unless the average happens to be a very round number (like 6.0000 or whatever) it's probably very hard to get a tie with an unequal number of votes.
Nice work on fixing the front page :). It really makes a huge difference in exposure between 3rd and 4th.
splidge
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05/02/2007 07:47:39 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by splidge:
...It really makes a huge difference in exposure between 3rd and 4th.
splidge |
It sure does. Fourth place is a heck of a place to be, especially if there's a tie above you. Good to see the new-3rd-place image getting its rightful place in the sun! |
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05/02/2007 08:38:29 PM · #19 |
Awesome! I'm closer to the center (I'm usually lean left anyway).
Congrats DUCATISTA on having 2 ribs on the front page! |
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